R.I.P Trayvon

[nako xl]

i dont know if this was posted but:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing

[h1]Florida woman sentenced to 20 years in controversial warning shot case[/h1]
(CNN)  -- Saying he had no discretion under state law, a judge sentenced a Jacksonville, Florida, woman to 20 years in prison Friday for firing a warning shot in an effort to scare off her abusive husband.

Marissa Alexander unsuccessfully tried to use Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law to derail the prosecution, but a jury in March convicted her of aggravated assault after just 12 minutes of deliberation.

The case, which was prosecuted by the same state attorney who is handling the Trayvon Martin case, has gained the attention of civil rights leaders who say the African-American woman was persecuted because of her race.

After the sentencing, Rep. Corrine Brown confronted State AttorneyAngela Corey  in the hallway, accusing her of being overzealous, according to video from CNN affiliate WJXT.

"There is no justification for 20 years," Brown told Corey during an exchange frequently interrupted by onlookers. "All the community was asking for was mercy and justice," she said.

Corey said she had offered Alexander a plea bargain that would have resulted in a three-year prison sentence, but Alexander chose to take the case to a jury trial, where a conviction would carry a mandatory sentence under a Florida law known as "10-20-life."

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'Stand your ground' plea rejected

The law mandates increased penalties for some felonies, including aggravated assault, in which a gun is carried or used.

Corey said the case deserved to be prosecuted because Alexander fired in the direction of a room where two children were standing.

Alexander said she was attempting to flee her husband, Rico Gray, on August 1, 2010, when she picked up a handgun and fired a shot into a wall.

She said her husband had read cell phone text messages that she had written to her ex-husband, got angry and tried to strangle her.

She said she escaped and ran to the garage, intending to drive away. But, she said, she forgot her keys, so she picked up her gun and went back into the house. She said her husband threatened to kill her, so she fired one shot.

"I believe when he threatened to kill me, that's what he was absolutely going to do," she said. "That's what he intended to do. Had I not discharged my weapon at that point, I would not be here."

Alexander's attorneys tried to use the state law that allows people to use potentially deadly force anywhere they feel reasonably threatened with serious harm or death.

But a previous judge in the case rejected the request, saying Alexander's decision to go back into the house was not consistent with someone in fear for her safety, according to the Florida Times Union  newspaper.

A jury convicted Alexander in March and Judge James Daniel denied her request for a new trial in April.

Daniel handed down the sentence Friday after an emotional sentencing hearing during which Alexander's parents, 11-year-old daughter and pastor spoke on her behalf.

Several people had to be escorted from the courtroom after breaking out singing and chanting about a perceived lack of justice in the case, but Daniel made a point to say that he had no choice under state law.

"Under the state's 10-20-life law, a conviction for aggravated assault where a firearm has been discharged carries a minimum and maximum sentence of 20 years without regarding to any extenuating or mitigating circumstances that may be present, such as those in this case," Daniel said.

Brown, the Jacksonville congresswoman, told reporters after the sentencing that the case was a product of "institutional racism."

"She was overcharged by the prosecutor. Period," Brown said. "She never should have been charged."

Brown has been more complimentary about Corey's work in the Trayvon Martin case, where her office filed second degree murder charges against neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the February 26 death of the unarmed African-American teen-ager.

That case provoked nationwide protests demanding Zimmerman's arrest after an initial police investigation released him under the "stand your ground" law.

Same us attorney's office that just ****** up the zimmerman prosecution.

 

[00david00]

yeah it got posted and it's misleading. my response earlier:


http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...d-says-it-was-her-violent-nature-led-shooting

quote from someone else:

"She did not fire a warning shot. She went to the house where her ex husband was, got into a argument with him, went back out to her car, retrieved the firearm, fired at him while the children were in the same room, and then claimed it was a "warning shot."
She was offered 3 years but rejected it and went for the trial, where mandatory sentencing guidelines hosed her."

misleading

 

[a55a5in11]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

 

[meek meals]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

 

[jay6jay]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

Those aren't facts those are ducktales

 

[heliumclinton]

I'm in awe that he wasn't found guilty of manslaughter

I'm even more shocked because the jury had to ask for clarification about the manslaughter law but never responded to the court what they needed specifically needed clarification on. Meaning they figured out the "answer" on their own instead of asking the court

I never thought he was guilty of 2nd degree murder there's reasonable doubt, but manslaughter? come on, that's a given

I hope those jurors live with that decision

 

[blakep267]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

1. define suspicious though? Thats the thing. Trayvon was walking home in the rain. The peering through houses was what GZ claimed, no one else.
2. There had been prior burglaries committed by black males, doesnt mean every black male walking around is planning on committing the same crime. So calling the police because of what other people of the same race had done prior is racial profiling.
3. He called the cops. That was his job. Anything further, while not illegal was out of the scope of the neighborhood watch, so he was acting as normal GZ.
3. He never identified himself to Martin.
4. Nobody knows what happened leading up to the scuffle, but a fight occurs.
5. The head slamming thing can go either way. 1 med examiner said the wounds were minor and not a huge deal. Another said, they were serious.
6. Somehow between holding GZ mouth shut and pounding him, Trayvon sees GZ's gun, reaches for it when GZ fights him off and fires ( All GZ's story).

WHile its unknown if GZ is a racist and hates black people, the fact that you judge a complete stranger by what other people that are black have done is messed up. And also hes a wannabe cop who got overzealous in his pursuit

 

[blakep267]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

double

 

[thunderchunk69]

I never thought he was guilty of 2nd degree murder there's reasonable doubt

This should have been obvious to everyone, but sadly wasn't.
80% of this thread was babble from people that don't understand how murder trials work.

 

[mister friendly]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

He wasn't doing that

Zimmerman said he looked suspicious because he wasn't trying to run to get out of the rain( but Martin was wearing his hoodie, so he wouldn't be bothered by the rain)

Also you left out the part, where Trayvon Martin tried to run away from Zimmerman

And the concrete part cant proven considering it was small sidewalk relative to the large grass area in the area


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[edocdaprofit]

Let that be the other way around...A black man would of got the death penalty. 

Black Men/Women get twenty years for letting of WARNING shots!

The justice system is sick and racist!

 

[guzzy]

Can someone cliff note what happened today??

Missed it.

 

[sreggie101]

nothing like a good reminder that it still sucks to be black in this country.


there is still blood on the leaves

 

[bluedeniro]

black people gotta unite

 

[a55a5in11]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

1. define suspicious though? Thats the thing. Trayvon was walking home in the rain. The peering through houses was what GZ claimed, no one else.
2. There had been prior burglaries committed by black males, doesnt mean every black male walking around is planning on committing the same crime. So calling the police because of what other people of the same race had done prior is racial profiling.
3. He called the cops. That was his job. Anything further, while not illegal was out of the scope of the neighborhood watch, so he was acting as normal GZ.
3. He never identified himself to Martin.
4. Nobody knows what happened leading up to the scuffle, but a fight occurs.
5. The head slamming thing can go either way. 1 med examiner said the wounds were minor and not a huge deal. Another said, they were serious.
6. Somehow between holding GZ mouth shut and pounding him, Trayvon sees GZ's gun, reaches for it when GZ fights him off and fires ( All GZ's story).

WHile its unknown if GZ is a racist and hates black people, the fact that you judge a complete stranger by what other people that are black have done is messed up. And also hes a wannabe cop who got overzealous in his pursuit

first of thanks for actually replying with facts instead of the other dudes who just want to post a emotion con or say im wrong but don't say why
second i swear i read somewhere that GZ stated on his 911 call that TM was walking in-between homes and peering in-between windows, I don't know why he would lie about it. maybe to get cops to show up faster? idk obviously like i said im not to educated on this case. Maybe he couldn't remember what home was his dad's girlfriends since he didn't live there so he was looking inside to identify things to find his home?
Now if GZ did not state on his 911 call that TM was looking in homes and said this later than i would agree that he was more than likely racial profiling

 

[sreggie101]

Can someone cliff note what happened today??

Missed it.

minorities took another L. that is all you need to know.

 

[nawghtyhare]

nothing like a good reminder that it still sucks to be black in this country.


there is still blood on the leaves

EH....I still love being black

 

[mister friendly]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

1. define suspicious though? Thats the thing. Trayvon was walking home in the rain. The peering through houses was what GZ claimed, no one else.
2. There had been prior burglaries committed by black males, doesnt mean every black male walking around is planning on committing the same crime. So calling the police because of what other people of the same race had done prior is racial profiling.
3. He called the cops. That was his job. Anything further, while not illegal was out of the scope of the neighborhood watch, so he was acting as normal GZ.
3. He never identified himself to Martin.
4. Nobody knows what happened leading up to the scuffle, but a fight occurs.
5. The head slamming thing can go either way. 1 med examiner said the wounds were minor and not a huge deal. Another said, they were serious.
6. Somehow between holding GZ mouth shut and pounding him, Trayvon sees GZ's gun, reaches for it when GZ fights him off and fires ( All GZ's story).

WHile its unknown if GZ is a racist and hates black people, the fact that you judge a complete stranger by what other people that are black have done is messed up. And also hes a wannabe cop who got overzealous in his pursuit

first of thanks for actually replying with facts instead of the other dudes who just want to post a emotion con or say im wrong but don't say why
second i swear i read somewhere that GZ stated on his 911 call that TM was walking in-between homes and peering in-between windows, I don't know why he would lie about it. maybe to get cops to show up faster? idk obviously like i said im not to educated on this case. Maybe he couldn't remember what home was his dad's girlfriends since he didn't live there so he was looking inside to identify things to find his home?
Now if GZ did not state on his 911 call that TM was looking in homes and said this later than i would agree that he was more than likely racial profiling

I posted a map, maybe it will help you understand

 

[blakep267]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

1. define suspicious though? Thats the thing. Trayvon was walking home in the rain. The peering through houses was what GZ claimed, no one else.
2. There had been prior burglaries committed by black males, doesnt mean every black male walking around is planning on committing the same crime. So calling the police because of what other people of the same race had done prior is racial profiling.
3. He called the cops. That was his job. Anything further, while not illegal was out of the scope of the neighborhood watch, so he was acting as normal GZ.
3. He never identified himself to Martin.
4. Nobody knows what happened leading up to the scuffle, but a fight occurs.
5. The head slamming thing can go either way. 1 med examiner said the wounds were minor and not a huge deal. Another said, they were serious.
6. Somehow between holding GZ mouth shut and pounding him, Trayvon sees GZ's gun, reaches for it when GZ fights him off and fires ( All GZ's story).

WHile its unknown if GZ is a racist and hates black people, the fact that you judge a complete stranger by what other people that are black have done is messed up. And also hes a wannabe cop who got overzealous in his pursuit

first of thanks for actually replying with facts instead of the other dudes who just want to post a emotion con or say im wrong but don't say why
second i swear i read somewhere that GZ stated on his 911 call that TM was walking in-between homes and peering in-between windows, I don't know why he would lie about it. maybe to get cops to show up faster? idk obviously like i said im not to educated on this case. Maybe he couldn't remember what home was his dad's girlfriends since he didn't live there so he was looking inside to identify things to find his home?
Now if GZ did not state on his 911 call that TM was looking in homes and said this later than i would agree that he was more than likely racial profiling

maybe he was peering in houses, i mean thatd be kinda weird for him to do since he has no prior burglary charges, but even so ok gz calls the cops. I can live with that. Having a gun ( although legal) and pursuing him is what gets me. Like, hes not a cop. Putting himself in life threatening danger ( he mustve felt that if he carried a gun around) isnt in his job description. Theres a reason why vigilanteism is a bad thing. Because when you try and be a hero, but arent qualified for it, bad things happen like you shooting a teenager

 

[heliumclinton]

Saw this on FB

"You can hit somebody with a car by accident and still get manslaughter

You can build a bad house that collapses and kills the people inside years later after the fact and still get manslaughter

You can not wash your hands cooking food just once and still get manslaughter

He chased down a child after being directly told by 911 they don't need him to follow him and shot him in the heart

AND HE DIDN’T EVEN GET MANSLAUGHTER"

 

[shoefreakbaby]

first of thanks for actually replying with facts instead of the other dudes who just want to post a emotion con or say im wrong but don't say why
second i swear i read somewhere that GZ stated on his 911 call that TM was walking in-between homes and peering in-between windows, I don't know why he would lie about it. maybe to get cops to show up faster? idk obviously like i said im not to educated on this case. Maybe he couldn't remember what home was his dad's girlfriends since he didn't live there so he was looking inside to identify things to find his home?
Now if GZ did not state on his 911 call that TM was looking in homes and said this later than i would agree that he was more than likely racial profiling

He didnt say anything about" windows and peering between houses"






The defense brought a witness that testified about a black kid in the area who was stealing.

I believe GZ thought trayvon was this black kid and approached him to apprehend him until the cops came.

 

[guzzy]

minorities took another L. that is all you need to know.

Flohio takes another L.

Cant imagine what the famb is going through. 

R.I.P. Trayvon.

 

[awm412]

Saw this on FB

"You can hit somebody with a car by accident and still get manslaughter

You can build a bad house that collapses and kills the people inside years later after the fact and still get manslaughter

You can not wash your hands cooking food just once and still get manslaughter

He chased down a child after being directly told by 911 they don't need him to follow him and shot him in the heart

AND HE DIDN’T EVEN GET MANSLAUGHTER"

The biggest difference between this case and those examples is the argument for self-defense. I don't know the full facts well enough to make an argument for/against self-defense here, but I assume that is why the jury found him not guilty. Otherwise, guilty of manslaughter would probably have been the verdict. To those who know the details of the case, was it a close call for self-defense (prosecution didn't seem to surpass the reasonable doubt threshold) or did the jury botch the verdict (assuming that's why they decided not guilty)?

 

[a55a5in11]

im confused by this whole case. i havent really kept up on it so i was hoping i could be told everything but from what i got

• GZ sees trayvon doing suspicious things. (walking between homes, peering through windows)
• GZ calls police and was told by police to remain in his car and to not confront the kid
• GZ ignores this and confronts TM in which a scuffle occurs
• GZ gets his *** beat by TM
  [*) after getting his head slammed into the concrete GZ pulls his gun out and shoots TM

so what am i missing and how is Zimmerman a racist? because with these facts is doesn't sound like 2nd degree murder had a chance of working

1. define suspicious though? Thats the thing. Trayvon was walking home in the rain. The peering through houses was what GZ claimed, no one else.
2. There had been prior burglaries committed by black males, doesnt mean every black male walking around is planning on committing the same crime. So calling the police because of what other people of the same race had done prior is racial profiling.
3. He called the cops. That was his job. Anything further, while not illegal was out of the scope of the neighborhood watch, so he was acting as normal GZ.
3. He never identified himself to Martin.
4. Nobody knows what happened leading up to the scuffle, but a fight occurs.
5. The head slamming thing can go either way. 1 med examiner said the wounds were minor and not a huge deal. Another said, they were serious.
6. Somehow between holding GZ mouth shut and pounding him, Trayvon sees GZ's gun, reaches for it when GZ fights him off and fires ( All GZ's story).

WHile its unknown if GZ is a racist and hates black people, the fact that you judge a complete stranger by what other people that are black have done is messed up. And also hes a wannabe cop who got overzealous in his pursuit

first of thanks for actually replying with facts instead of the other dudes who just want to post a emotion con or say im wrong but don't say why
second i swear i read somewhere that GZ stated on his 911 call that TM was walking in-between homes and peering in-between windows, I don't know why he would lie about it. maybe to get cops to show up faster? idk obviously like i said im not to educated on this case. Maybe he couldn't remember what home was his dad's girlfriends since he didn't live there so he was looking inside to identify things to find his home?
Now if GZ did not state on his 911 call that TM was looking in homes and said this later than i would agree that he was more than likely racial profiling

maybe he was peering in houses, i mean thatd be kinda weird for him to do since he has no prior burglary charges, but even so ok gz calls the cops. I can live with that. Having a gun ( although legal) and pursuing him is what gets me. Like, hes not a cop. Putting himself in life threatening danger ( he mustve felt that if he carried a gun around) isnt in his job description. Theres a reason why vigilanteism is a bad thing. Because when you try and be a hero, but arent qualified for it, bad things happen like you shooting a teenager

your right on that. Nothing good can come from what he did in pursuing Trayvon after he was told that they didn't want him to
from what i have seen manslaughter was what he should have been charged with, and im sure guilty. Its a shame they can let somebody walk because they are too dumb to charge someone with the right offense


And to Mister Friendly: Yeah i saw your post, it helped a lot. Thanks my dude

 

[a55a5in11]

Saw this on FB

"You can hit somebody with a car by accident and still get manslaughter

You can build a bad house that collapses and kills the people inside years later after the fact and still get manslaughter

You can not wash your hands cooking food just once and still get manslaughter

He chased down a child after being directly told by 911 they don't need him to follow him and shot him in the heart

AND HE DIDN’T EVEN GET MANSLAUGHTER"

The biggest difference between this case and those examples is the argument for self-defense. I don't know the full facts well enough to make an argument for/against self-defense here, but I assume that is why the jury found him not guilty. Otherwise, guilty of manslaughter would probably have been the verdict. To those who know the details of the case, was it a close call for self-defense (prosecution didn't seem to surpass the reasonable doubt threshold) or did the jury botch the verdict (assuming that's why they decided not guilty)?

cant find him guilty of manslaughter if he was being charged with second degree murder