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[sillyputty]

tkthafm wrote:

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More stream of consiousess opinions.....

as far as your questions go... do you even have an elementary school level understanding of Islam ? Obviously not if you are asking such dumb questions as "what did they do for 22 years" 

 

Pick up a history book.

Do you have any reading comprehension ? I already addressed your questions numerous times.

If it took 23 years to write the koran, how could the religion have been established in its "pure" form as you say it is currently? 




What did they do for 22.99999999 years? 




I really want to know.




Referring me to a "history book" doesn't answer the question.




What did they do for TWENTY TWO YEARS before their book of islam was finished?




Did they practice portions of the faith or what?




Be honest. That means UNTIL THE BOOK WAS DONE they clearly followed another religion or set of rules or whatever...You have to reconcile this. 

Do I have an elementary understanding of islam? Yes. I do actually. Have I read the whole Quran? No, i've read probably 3/5 of it.

tkthafm wrote:

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I'll answer them anyway (again)

"Was the Quran written by men or not?"

Qur'an is the word of God.

*sigh*




You know what?




I'm putting an end to this circular reasoning RIGHT NOW.




REPLACE BIBLE with QU'RAN/KORAN

THIS ARGUMENT MAKES ENTIRELY NO SENSE.




YOU CAN NOT DO THIS.




YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH IF THE QURAN SUPPORTS THE CLAIMS IT PUTS FORTH. IF IT DOES NOT THEN IT IS NOT INFALLIBLE NOR IS IT A REPUTABLE SOURCE.







I ASKED YOU WHO WROTE THE KORAN, NOT IF IT WAS THE WORD OF GOD OR NOT.




WHO WROTE THE KORAN OVER THE TWENTY THREE YEARS YOU HAVE PRESCRIBED, TKTHAFM? HUMANS or "GOD(s)"?"

Do we have free will OR not?"

Of course we do.

HOW DO WE HAVE FREE WILL IF YOU THINK GOD HAS A PLAN FOR ALL OF US?




IF WE HAVE FREE WILL WHY DOES GOD DESERVE CREDIT?HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THINGS THAT YOU DO VERSUS THINGS THAT YOUR GOD DOES?

and lol @ your arrogance in telling ME to look up a non-sequitur when you have been spewing out logical fallacy after logical fallacy. You type a lot but all of it is garbage. A whole lot of keystrokes for someone who is saying nothing.

IF YOU HAVE A GRIEVANCE WITH MY ARGUMENTS ELUCIDATE YOUR POINTS CLEARLY AND CONCISELY AS I HAVE DONE WITH YOU.




STOP RUNNING FROM QUESTIONS

 

[tkthafm]

Again, pick up a history book for the 22 yr Q. It answers your questions as to what was followed. You don't want to... I'm not going to explain 22 years of Islamic history to you.

It's not a circular argument because there is proof (unlike the bible in your little picture) the book is flawless and could not have possibly been written by man. I already elaborated on this.

The free will issue I already elaborated on at length.

You seem to be posting just for the sake of posting at this point.

 

[curbyourenthusiasm]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Such poor logic.

Just because you have free will to choose doesn't mean what you choose is automatically right and thus you should be spared from punishment. You can CHOOSE to sin, and thus you are punished for that choice. God gave you this capacity, but also the capacity to resist. Obviously your will was not strong enough to resist your own desires/the devil's influence.

You say men/man wrote the Qur'an... congratulations, your statement means nothing.

and there is no contradiction between "God's will" and human "free will" ... You control your own actions. Obviously if something good happens to me as a byproduct of my actions I STILL thank God and vice versa. If I do something Good/bad I still recognize I MADE THAT CHOICE. On the other hand something I had no choice in (such as a natural disaster) is thus obviously God's will. We may have tests thrown at us and such (and the devil's constant whispering) but we still have free will in our choices. There are some circumstances however (stealing to avoid starvation) where sin can be acceptable. It's up to God to judge.

but if you sin, god made you with the capacity to sin, knowing you were going to sin, because god is all knowing and already knows what is going to happen, therefore god made you, knowing you were going to sin and he would then punish you once you sinned....he made you with that knowledge already...that he was going to punish you. he made you to punish you once you sinned. oh, okay. he sounds cool.

There are some circumstances however (stealing to avoid starvation) where sin can be acceptable.

lemme get this straight,god can will us to...say.....get hit and killed by a drunk driver.....but it was the drunk drivers free will to drive drunk?

but i thought it was god's will to kill you via a drunk driver......

who's will is it, god's will to have this man drive drunk and kill you OR was it the drunk driver's free will?

if it was gods will, why would god make someone sin and take my life? did the drunk driver have free will at that point? is that part of Gods plan to fix that person? "oh my god i killed someone im going to get sober"?

or are these alot of incidents we try to explain with a common theme that helps us sleep with the lights off at night?

listen, buddy, the concept of the theological contradiction of god's will vs. human free will has been around since the inception of religion....

its a question humans have always struggled with.

you dont have the answers.

arrogance is a sin.

you're being arrogant.

im not sure if its under your own free will or if you're being arrogant under god's will

but knock it off, b.



(this is a classic way to bait an ignorant person whos very sure of their faith. ask them about the idea of free will. a well-versed person of faith will simply tell you that we have free will, which god granted us, and he's been 100 percent laisseze-faire in regards to humans on a day-to-day basis...thats what smart religious people do....the goofy new jacks that are just really proud they believe in something...usually sound like this kid here)

 

[tkthafm]

^You can try to rephrase the same thing 1000 ways. My original reply still stands. All your questions are very basic and have already been answered centuries ago. Try google for starters.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Again, pick up a history book for the 22 yr Q. It answers your questions as to what was followed. You don't want to... I'm not going to explain 22 years of Islamic history to you.

I have backed up my statements, I ask you to do the same.

It's not a circular argument because there is proof (unlike the bible in your little picture) the book is flawless and could not have possibly been written by man. I already elaborated on this.

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE BOOK IS WRITTEN BY A GOD.



BUT YOU ALREADY SAID THAT THE PROPHET WROTE THE BOOK AS TOLD TO HIM BY GOD...SO WAS THE PROPHET A HUMAN OR A GOD?...AND NOTICE THAT YOU SAID IT IS "FLAWLESS" AND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY MAN.


YOU DONT EVEN READ ARABIC.




YOU HAVE TO READ THE TRANSLATIONS LIKE MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD.




WHO WROTE THE BOOK MAN, NOW YOURE SLOWLY TICKING ME OFF WITH THIS INSANITY.




IF I READ A SPIDERMAN COMIC BOOK DOES THAT MEAN SPIDERMAN IS REAL? IS THAT PROOF SPIDERMAN EXISTS?




AGAIN, DID HUMANS WRITE THE BOOK OR NOT?







ON TOP OF THAT, WHY DID GOD EVEN DECIDE TO MAKE A BOOK? WHY NOT WRITE IT IN THE SKY OR HAVE IT IMPLANTED AS WE ARE BORN MENTALLY? THAT SEEMS LIKE A SURE-FIRE WAY TO ENSURE THAT YOU KEEP WINNING CONVERTS... 

The free will issue I already elaborated on at length.

YEAH EXCEPT THE GLARING HOLE YOU CHOSE NOT TO ADDRESS.



IF GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND CAN DO EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS UP TO THAT GOD'S PLAN, THEN HOW CAN WE HAVE FREE WILL TO DO ANYTHING?




ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE HAVE FREE WILL THEN GOD IS NOT AND CAN NOT BE OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OR OMNIPRESENT. 




YET YOU ALREADY SAY YOU HAVE THE FREE WILL TO DO EVERYTHING BUT YOU STILL GIVE GOD CREDIT.




WHY DO YOU DO THAT?




WHY DON'T YOU THANK YOUR PARENTS AFTER EVERY TEST FOR MAKING YOU GO TO HIGH SCHOOL? AND GO ON TO COLLEGE?

You seem to be posting just for the sake of posting at this point.

LITERALLY NONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE MAKING ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER.




NONE. 

Originally Posted by tkthafm

^You can try to rephrase the same thing 1000 ways. My original reply still stands. All your questions are very basic and have already been answered centuries ago. Try google for starters.

I  SWEAR TALKING TO YOU RAISES BLOOD PRESSURE.




YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.




IF YOU WILL NOT DEFEND YOUR STANCE THEN DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION. 

"GOOGLE" IS NOT A SOURCE...YOU USE GOOGLE TO FIND THINGS. 

INTRODUCE ITEMS TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS. 

 

[tkthafm]

Actually i do read Arabic.

As for the rest of your post.....just more of you repeating yourself and asking of things I already answered.

Your ignorance of the religion is not proof it is man made. You refuse to do skne research and find the answers to your basic questions and then claim you have somehow discovered a hole. You are the first person in 1400 years to ask these things and have single handedly refuted Islam, congratulations.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Actually i do read Arabic.

As for the rest of your post.....just more of you repeating yourself and asking of things I already answered.

YOU DID NOT ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS PAGE OR THE LAST PAGE.
YOU SIMPLY TELL PEOPLE TO GOOGLE THEIR ANSWERS.

I'M ASKING YOU A DIRECT QUESTION AND I WANT AN ANSWER FROM A SOURCE YOU APPROVE OF.

YOU HAVE FAILED AND ARE RELUCTANT TO DO SO.

THIS IS IN YOUR BENEFIT TO AID THE CONVERSATION AND YOU REFUSE. 

FOOLISHNESS.

Your ignorance of the religion is not proof it is man made. 

I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU I HAVE DONE RESEARCH ABOUT THE RELIGION.

ON TOP OF THAT, THE FACT THAT YOU SUBSCRIBE TO ONE RELIGION OVER OTHERS SHOWS THAT YOU REALLY HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO SEE WHAT IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT ISLAM. 

I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU HOLES IN YOUR LOGIC.

I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU THAT YOUR GOD, IN HOW YOU DEFINE IT, IS IMPOSSIBLE

I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU HAVE SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS IN YOUR SUPPORT OF YOUR RELIGION.

ON TOP OF THAT YOU WILL NOT ADMIT THAT YOUR BOOK WAS WRITTEN BY A HUMAN.

AGAIN, WHO WROTE THE FIRST QURAN/KORAN? A GOD OR A HUMAN? 

You refuse to do skne research and find the answers to your basic questions and then claim you have somehow discovered a hole.

 I DID DO SOME RESEARCH...AND I DID FIND A HOLE.
THANKS FOR ADMITTING THAT.

ON TOP OF THAT, DOES IT MATTER IF I FOUND A HOLE AND DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY RESEARCH? HOW WOULD THAT INVALIDATE MY FINDINGS?

IF SOMETHING STANDS ON ITS OWN, IT WILL REJECT THE CRITICISM AND WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND DEFENSES.

You are the first person in 1400 years to ask these things and have single handedly refuted Islam, congratulations.

I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE...I'M ONE OF THE NEARLY 5 BILLION + PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT MUSLIMS...THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING. 

 

[tkthafm]

You are trying to refute Islam and you don't even know where the Qur'an came from ? and you expext me to play fetch and teach you these basic ideas ? I'll throw up some links/books in a bit, but it's really not that hard to search google and find legit websites or go bacl a few pages and read my posts.

Learn the basics first then try to sit here and argue or you will continue to make an embarassment out of yourself due to ignorance.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

You are trying to refute Islam and you don't even know where the Qur'an came from ? 

DUDE...YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS.




I ASKED YOU IF A HUMAN WROTE THE FIRST QURAN OR IF GOD DID.




CAN YOU NOT ANSWER THAT? IS THIS LIKE THE SIXTH TIME I'VE ASKED?

and you expext me to play fetch and teach you these basic ideas ? I'll throw up some links/books in a bit, but it's really not that hard to search google and find legit websites or go bacl a few pages and read my posts.
I HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
IF YOU USE YOUR SOURCES THEN WE CAN'T SAY THAT YOU DIDN'T REPRESENT YOUR ARGUMENT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY.

I'LL MAKE IT FAIR FOR YOU.

Learn the basics first then try to sit here and argue or you will continue to make an embarassment out of yourself due to ignorance.

AGAIN YOU ARE DEFLECTING FROM ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
STATE YOUR CLAIM.

BACK IT UP.

YOU SAID GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND CAN DO EVERYTHING YET YOU HAVE FREE WILL. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? 

ON TOP OF THAT YOU HAVE ALSO SHOWN VARIOUS PARTS OF YOUR RELIGION THAT ARE CONTRADICTORY.

IN FACT, PLEASE...DO EDUCATE US, SHOW US WHAT WE LACK...BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THIS, NOTHING ABOUT HOW A MUSLIM IS SUPPOSED TO LIVE MATTERS. 

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BASIS FOR YOUR RELIGION, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT ENTITY EVEN EXISTS.

STOP COMPLAINING AND START EDUCATING BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE WASTING OUR TIME. 

 

[tkthafm]

You're wasting MY time not the other way around. You are trying to debate something you know nothing about and expect the OPPOSING side to EDUCATE you at the same time. How ridiculous is this ? (and you have the gall to claim you have found contradictions lol)

You asked me something "6" times which I already answered and is common knowledge... God sent the words down to the Prophet and he recited them and they were immediately memorized and eventually written, translated, spread etc. The only human involvement here is in actually getting paper and ink and writing it down. The words were completely unchanged (which is what separates Islam from the twisted religions of Judaism and Christianity as they are known today).

You can find out more (including answers to your dumb questions about the 22 years) by watching this tremendous series; which gives details about EXACTLY how this happened WHAT was revealed WHEN and HOW it was recorded.


and yes, it's a long series, but if you are serious and want real answers, real understanding, and a real dialogue then you have to have a complete understanding from authentic sources who actually spent years doing professional research (aka: scholars). If you wan't to just drop by, post some pictures and "

"  without doing any research; then let's stop right here before we waste even more of our time. 

Brief info: (in no way compares to the above)

http://www.islam101.com/quran/preservedQ.htm



"YOU SAID GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND CAN DO EVERYTHING YET YOU HAVE FREE WILL. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? "

...... Are you serious ? Maybe he.... gave it to us ? ....

 

[nikeairforce1]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

"YOU SAID GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND CAN DO EVERYTHING YET YOU HAVE FREE WILL. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? "

...... Are you serious ? Maybe he.... gave it to us ? ....

This video says nothing new.  Your argument says that God knows to the T what is going to happen, but that you are still free to make decisions in your life. 

This is not possible if Allah knows what your decisions are before you even decide.  If Allah knows you're going to drink milk in 5 minutes,  you're going to drink milk 5 minutes later.  You can't NOT drink milk, because if you don't drink milk, then Allah is wrong.

If Allah KNOWS you're gonna fail next week's test, there is nothing you can do to NOT fail that test.  No matter how much studying you do, you're still going to fail that test.  If you get anything other than a fail, Allah is wrong.

So either Allah is wrong, or you do not have free will.  What you do have is the illusion of free will, because you don't know what the future is.  For Allah, your future has already been pre-determined.

Also, the guy in the video says that you can't do anything against Allah's will.  How is this not a restriction on your free will?

 

[tkthafm]

You have to remember that God is completely independent of the concept of "time" in the first place.

It's not pre-known and then it will happen.. it's just known. You have free will but God already knows what you will do with that free will. The limitations of time & space as we think of them as humans don't apply here. It's like me time traveling and watching a movie of you drinking the milk at a certain time... I therefore know it MUST happen... but at the time you decided to drink the milk, was it not your free will ? I don't see how that's so difficult to understand. You just have to remove the human limitations from God. 
We've already JUST began to understand what time/space even really is in the first place... time is not a static concept....you know, the whole theory of relativity thing.

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

You have to remember that God is completely independent of the concept of "time" in the first place.

It's not pre-known and then it will happen.. it's just known. You have free will but God already knows what you will do with that free will. The limitations of time & space as we think of them as humans don't apply here. It's like me time traveling and watching a movie of you drinking the milk at a certain time... I therefore know it MUST happen... but at the time you decided to drink the milk, was it not your free will ? I don't see how that's so difficult to understand. You just have to remove the human limitations from God. 
We've already JUST began to understand what time/space even really is in the first place... time is not a static concept....you know, the whole theory of relativity thing.

Your comparison is faulty because you did not create that person.

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

If god is the creator of everything, god is therefore responsible for his creation. Agree or disagree? Please explain whatever answer you choose.

 

[tkthafm]

What do you mean by "responsible for" ? 
Again, we have free will. Don't see how my comparison is faulty.

God is responsible for our creation, but you can't extrapolate this and then say God is therefore responsible for all our sins, because he allowed us the ability to choose for ourselves what actions we wish to take.

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

What do you mean by "responsible for" ? 
Again, we have free will. Don't see how my comparison is faulty.

God is responsible for our creation, but you can't extrapolate this and then say God is therefore responsible for all our sins, because he allowed us the ability to choose for ourselves what actions we wish to take.

What I mean is that he is the indirect cause. Because he chose to create man, he indirectly chose to create sin. Everything that happens within his creation has to be tied back to him. 
You're comparing an omnipotent and omniscient god to yourself and you don't understand why that comparison is faulty? Him being the creator is key to why free will makes no sense in religion. 
Yes, I can extrapolate that he is responsible for our sins. If he is the creator of everything, he is therefore responsible for everything that occurs within his creation. How is he not? His creation cannot do anything that he didn't intend for it to do. 

 

[hazeleyed honey]

tkthafm,

How does it matter if 90 percent of scholars agree to ruling what a a verse of the Qur'an means? At the end of the day, if there is an unclear and vague verses it will always be and whatever is decided by scholars is just interpretation. The verse about the hijab is not clear cut at all and so vague.

Why the Qur'an is in Arabic is because Prophet Mohammed, as the founder is Arab and speaks the Arabic language. He is the original author.

This will be long,but bear with me...

The Qur'an is not perfect. You can tell it was man made. There are different words and language as if different authors put it together. It is not consistent. In some passages the word "I" is used as if God is talking and sometimes it is talking about God in third person.

I have read up on the “purity of the Qur’an

 

[tkthafm]

Again you are attempting to remove the element of free will. This argument just keeps going in a circle. Just because it is a possibility does not mean it must occur. Doesn't matter if you consider God an "indirect cause" because the when it comes down to it and your fate... you choose.

As for why/did God create sin/evil... these are elementary questions:

http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e58.html
http://www.godallah.com/evil.php

Without this possibility to sin and free will why would we even exist in the first place ? Our whole purpose of existence is to be tested.
EDIT: for the above post... where is your evidence ? you make no new claims, and while taking your word for it would be convenient, I'd rather see some scholarly evidence for your claims about the Qur'an. In fact one of the links I posted here already addresses some of the myths you posted.

 

[antonlavey]

^^^^God created evil because he's a sick/sadistic 12 year old child who wants human beings to suffer for his personal amusement-


This answer is just as valid as that nonsense you posted

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Again you are attempting to remove the element of free will. This argument just keeps going in a circle. Just because it is a possibility does not mean it must occur. Doesn't matter if you consider God an "indirect cause" because the when it comes down to it and your fate... you choose.

As for why/did God create sin/evil... these are elementary questions:

http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e58.html
http://www.godallah.com/evil.php

Without this possibility to sin and free will why would we even exist in the first place ? Our whole purpose of existence is to be tested.
EDIT: for the above post... where is your evidence ? you make no new claims, and while taking your word for it would be convenient, I'd rather see some scholarly evidence for your claims about the Qur'an. In fact one of the links I posted here already addresses some of the myths you posted.

Right, I've shown several times that free will can't exist with an omnipotent, omniscient creator, so using it to prove your point isn't valid.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by RufioRufioRufio

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by RufioRufioRufio

أنت مجنون؟

reported

I don't speak Arabic but I feel like you definitely just called me the nword

Dude just because I disagree on things with doesn't mean i'd ever use such a hateful word.
lmao i google translated U MAD in arabic.

C'mon anton, we are too smart and cool of people to take it to that low level.

Even though we but head you still my dude.

It was a joke, a really bad one on hindsight

It's actually something I say to a lot of my friends who insist on speaking their native tongue around me-hella rude

Yea you're alright in my book, let it be known religion is not a reason for me not to want to befriend someone-if that were the case I'd be forever alone

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Also, when Muslims claim that the Qur'an is written so purely perfect, and beautifully, how can a man who was illiterate recite such a piece of literature?

Well, if you study Arabic literature, you will know why. Back during those days in what is now known as the Middle East, with the Arab tribes, it was poetry that was their main source of communication. The Arabic literature are the days before Prophet Mohammed came along are still considered amongst some of the best of Arabic literature. They used to have huge contests hanging the pieces of the best poems (Mu'allaqat) inside the Kaaba. That is how big poetry used to be. As for the poets? Most of them were also illiterate and they had the capacity to memorize their poems and people would memorize them.

But then again, anything holy will be seen as perfect by those who follow it or believe in it.

tktfam,

You can start here -- Hidden Origins of Islam : New Research into Its Early History by Karl-Heinz Ohlig & Gerd-R Puin. Summary on the book:
http://www.gazellebookser...o.uk/ISBN/1591026342.htm

The Qur'an as Text, ed. Wild, Brill, 1996

Journal of Qur'anic Studies, Volume 8, pp. 134-137 (August 2006)

*** This is a very good source *** The Origins of the Koran: Classic Essays on Islam's Holy Book, Edited by Ibn Warraq; Prometheus Books, 1998
http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

A video on the manuscripts of the Qur'an found in Sanaa, Yemen. This video is good.

 

[hazeleyed honey]

 

[antonlavey]

^^^To add to that Hazleeye, Arabic/Islam is not the only culture with a "poetic" language-Many African cultures traditionally didn't have written forms of expression and relied heavily on what you just elaborated on as a form of expression


tkthefm is so stuck in this delusion that Islam/Arabic is superior to other religious and cultural traditions that he "subjectively" fails to see beauty in anything else-

 

[tkthafm]

You haven't shown anything. It's only not valid in YOUR world.

All you did was claim my example was "faulty" (wrong) and the argument continues in a circle (because you are too stubborn to accept that both can coexist as I've clearly shown).

The problem is these guys come on here with a facade of genuine interest in asking questions but when they get an answer they reject it because their original goal was to attack the religion not to genuinely seek knowledge.

and lol @ Ibn Warraq being cited as a scholarly source... is this real life ?

and a refutation to your other source/video: http://www.answering-chri...arim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm
how cheap the tactics of these so called scholars

Be right back, let me cite Bill O'Reilly as a scholarly source to disprove gravity. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Donner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_DonnerFred Donner, a professor in Near Eastern studies, notes his lack of specialist training in Arabic studies, citing "inconsistent handling of Arabic materials," and unoriginal arguments, and "heavy-handed favoritism" towards revisionist theories and "the compiler’s [i.e. Ibn Warraq's] agenda, which is not scholarship, but anti-Islamic polemic."[sup][6][/sup] Anthropologist and historian Daniel Martin Varisco has criticized Ibn Warraq's book Defending the West: A Critique of Edward Said's Orientalism, writing that "This modern son of a bookseller imprints a polemical farce not worth the 500-plus pages of paper it wastes."[sup][35][/sup]

[sup]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Warraq#cite_note-34[/sup]