QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[jayfiend]

First I'm black if that matters and I'm not being racist I'm being honest.

That black QB style just doesn't win Super Bowls. It too for one to get on damn near a super team in order to finally win one.

Peyton
Brady
Rodgers
Farve
Brees
etc

These have been the guys running this league. And it's not like there hasn't been Black QBs and good ones at that but. If we are being real those guys just don't win big in this league.

 

[DeadsetAce]

is Russell not black? am i missing something?

or is he being completely discredited cause of the all time great defense and lynch?

 

[dmxfury]

Doug Williams didn't run around not was known as mobile, especially by the time he got to Wash...

And mobile QBs can win, Steve Young, Wilson is mobile, Rodgers is mobile....

 

[jayfiend]

You know what never mind.

 

[DeadsetAce]

elite QB's that "carry their teams" don't always win. Brady won with complete teams. Peyton won with a complete team. Brees. Favre. Montana. those QB's are of course capable of carrying their teams to wins, but they won Superbowls because their teams were complete.

Russell won his with a complete team.

so i don't see the real point of this.

 

[jayfiend]

Are you guys as honored as I am to potentially see Brady get his 4th? I'm not a big Brady fan. And no matter how he did or who did what. None of that matters now. 4 rings is very very impressive and you have to respect that.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Are you guys as honored as I am to potentially see Brady get his 4th? I'm not a big Brady fan. And no matter how he did or who did what. None of that matters now. 4 rings is very very impressive and you have to respect that.

 

[mister friendly]

Russell Wilson did not Dilfer the Seahawks

At the worst you can say Wilson was like Brady the 1st couple of Super Bowl wins

Brady didn't really take the leap til 2004

 

[Maximus Meridius]

How can you say black QB's don't win rings when they just started letting 'em in the door? We ain't that far removed from Warren Moon being blackballed for years cuz he was black. Then when he got a chance he lite up the league which made it even sweeter.

 

[elpablo21]

Speaking of Black QB's

Deadspin has a nice compilation of every Black to play in the NFL

http://deadspin.com/the-big-book-of-black-quarterbacks-1517763742

Some entries are more extensive than others but cool read nonetheless.

 

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[dmxfury]

Joe Gilliam was so close to replacing Terry as the Steelers QB. How things would have been different

 

[dland24]

Russell Wilson did not Dilfer the Seahawks

How can you say he didnt?  He threw 3 touchdown passes the ENTIRE playoffs.....two of which happened in the Superbowl after the Seahawks were already up damn near 30 points. 

Obviously, Wilson is a better quarterback now than Dilfer ever was, and he is only getting better.  But lets call a spade a spade.

 

[elpablo21]

Joe Gilliam was so close to replacing Terry as the Steelers QB. How things would have been different

Sad story of a short life.

Kind of crazy even TB admitted he never beat him out for the starting spot.

 

[dmxfury]

Joe Greene was the one who stuck up for Terry and got his job back

 

[mister friendly]

Russell Wilson did not Dilfer the Seahawks

How can you say he didnt?  He threw 3 touchdown passes the ENTIRE playoffs.....two of which happened in the Superbowl after the Seahawks were already up damn near 30 points. 

Obviously, Wilson is a better quarterback now than Dilfer ever was, and he is only getting better.  But lets call a spade a spade.

You realize Dilfer was low key awful.

Like he was completing less than 50 percent of his passes, the only reason why his QB rating looks decent is because Shannon Sharpe had 2 long receptions like 60 yds and 90 yards

There's a reason why the Ravens let Dilfer walk after that season


Currently Russell Wilson has one of highest playoff quarterback ratings of all time

 

[mister friendly]

Joe Greene was the one who stuck up for Terry and got his job back

Also I believe Al Davis too

 

[dland24]

 

 

Russell Wilson did not Dilfer the Seahawks

How can you say he didnt?  He threw 3 touchdown passes the ENTIRE playoffs.....two of which happened in the Superbowl after the Seahawks were already up damn near 30 points. 

Obviously, Wilson is a better quarterback now than Dilfer ever was, and he is only getting better.  But lets call a spade a spade.

You realize Dilfer was low key awful.

Like he was completing less than 50 percent of his passes, the only reason why his QB rating looks decent is because Shannon Sharpe had 2 long receptions like 60 yds and 90 yards

There's a reason why the Ravens let Dilfer walk after that season


Currently Russell Wilson has one of highest playoff quarterback ratings of all time

Quarterback ratings can be deceptive if judged without looking at context. 

Examples:

-The Superbowl last year which we already addressed (90 yards and 0 touchdowns by the time his team was up 30 points)

-The NFCCG last year where Wilson's QB rating is heavily inflated by the Hail Mary he completed for a 50 yard touchdown

So basically, you can focus on his high passer rating if you would like.  But the two examples above, combined with his divisional game where he completed 9 passes, show me that his team carried him through the playoffs last year......aka Wilson Dilfered his way to a ring.

**I feel like I dont need to repeat myself, but I will anyway to make sure it isnt thrown in my face......Wilson is a very good quarterback, and only getting better.  But that fact doesnt negate the fact that last year's Seahawks team could have been led by a large number of QBs and still would have won the Superbowl.**

 

[mister friendly]

They aren't 20 point deceptive

Dilfer was the worst starting quarterback ever. Ravens won in spite of him.

To say Dilfered is an insult

 

[CP1708]

The guy doesn't comprehend a running back coming in off the street and starting in the NFL, he has no chance of comprehending a QB having 90 yards and it already being 29-0 in the Super Bowl.

Let it go dland. Save the keystrokes.

 

[CP1708]

Russell Wilson last year in 3 playoff games. 524 yards, 3 TD's 101.6 rating. Super Bowl.

Alex Smith in one playoff game last year. 378 yards, 4 TD's 119.7 rating. Lost in Wild Card game.


Must have been those 42 yards rushing in 3 games that really elevated Russ's game to Super Bowl heights.

Ya know what tho, Alex had 57 yards rushing in his one game.................................




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[mister friendly]

Kurt Warner was a stockboy at one point

What's your point?

Parmalee didn't come off the street from working at UPS to starting for the Dolphins

He was a special teams player for them a few years before he got any significant rushes

Please stop telling half truths

 

[CP1708]

My gift, to you guys.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

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[CP1708]

Kurt Warner was a stockboy at one point

What's your point?

Parmalee didn't come off the street from working at UPS to starting for the Dolphins

He was a special teams player for them a few years before he got any significant rushes

Please stop telling half truths

And Kurt Warner was GREAT, was Bernie ******* Parmalee great?????????????