QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[SneakerProSr.]

K, so refute my point on the last page, don't skip it.

Russell literally drug his team back from the depths and was historic in doing so.

And lost to Austin Davis.


When he "beats" Aaron Rodgers who manages only 1 TD because of that defense, you credit Russ.

When Russ throws an INT for a gamewinning "TD", you credit Russ.

Up 29-0 in the Super Bowl, with like 75 yards and no TD's, you credit Russ.


When he throws for 120 yards and loses to Dallas, at home, you blame D, Lynch, Percy, coaching.....

Lose to Austin Davis, on a short week, you blame ST, Def, Lynch, Percy, etc.


Come on now. You brought this subject up, now do better. Tell me to count rings, or yards traveled in the air when the temp reaches 79 with 20% humidity in southern South Dakota, etc etc.

I have faith in you.

FIrst line in D-Land's post was Russ has little impact on his teams games like Alex Smith.

Do you want me to post Alex Smith and Andrew Lucks 2013 numbers for the 99ith time.

This year he's cooking but last year tho.

Numbers don't lie

What the **** does Austin Davis and a short week have to do with Russell Wilson when he put up a historic performance? That's literally devoid of logic.

Andrew Luck wasn't putting up historic performances when he lost or even when he won up until this year.

 

[a55a5in11]

I stopped reading when i saw "Russell, like Alex, really has little impact in whether his team wins or loses"

Dumbest thing I have ever read in my life

 

[SneakerProSr.]

I stopped reading when i saw "Russell, like Alex, really has little impact in whether his team wins or loses"

Dumbest thing I have ever read in my life

I read that line and just skipped post then dude was talking about Dland figured it out so I figured he edited it.

 

[do work son]

Given the context it's really not that dumb. If anything this week kinda supports it. Russ balled out, and they still lost, but when he has a sub 200 yard passing game and the defense and running game are on point, y'all can't wait to mention him being undefeated against the top QBs. I don't agree that Russ has little impact, but given the context there was a case to be made.

It's the same discrediting that happens to Russ, that y'all get upset about. "Well luck had a ton of yards, but they lost!" "Well luck had a ton of yards, but they're only playing the AFC south!"

 

[dmxfury]

'Numbers don't lie'

'Luck has the third best defense in the NFL'


Yeah, numbers lie all the time

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Do you want me to post Alex Smith and Andrew Lucks 2013 numbers for the 99ith time.

It's 2014. Post those numbers.

 

[do work son]

I won't say he can't win without those things, because he played his *** off. Absolutely give him credit for that performance. Just think it's unfair that he gets credit for wins in which he does little to nothing. "7-0 against Rodgers Brees Brady manning"

 

[Chester McFloppy]

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I won't say he can't win without those things, because he played his *** off. Absolutely give him credit for that performance. Just think it's unfair that he gets credit for wins in which he does little to nothing. "7-0 against Rodgers Brees Brady manning"

ding ding ding.

 

[do work son]

It's not just the media. There are dudes on here that routinely prop up Russ after mediocre performances because he made a couple throws in a 21-10 win.

Russell Wilson has had 17 games of 15 or less completions. The Seahawks have won 12 of those. Of the 5 losses, all have been within a touchdown. What other quarterback barely has to compete 15 passes and win ballgames in blowout fashion or barely lose them?

For reference, Peyton Manning has had 20 career games of 15 completions or less. (Yes I know 15 completions is an arbitrary number)

 

[dland24]

 

I stopped reading when i saw "Russell, like Alex, really has little impact in whether his team wins or loses"

Dumbest thing I have ever read in my life

I read that line and just skipped post then dude was talking about Dland figured it out so I figured he edited it.

You guys can say it is dumb all you want.  Please refute it.

During the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks are 1-6 when their opponents scores 24 or more points.  What does that tell you?  That the Seahawks dont win if their defense doesnt shut down the other team.  And just for example, one of said losses happened when Russell had 445 yards of total offense and 3 touchdowns.

And for the record, because I know this is the reason that a55a5in had a huge problem with my original post......I am in no way saying that Russell Wilson and Alex Smith are in the same tier of QBs.  Russell is a much better QB.  The comparison just lies in what is expected out of each QB.  And what is expected is that if neither negatively impact the game, and their team's running game and defenses are playing well, the team will win. 

With that being said, I stand by my statement that their play (assuming its not so bad that it hurts their team), has very little impact on whether their team wins or not. 

 

[Hahahaha]

Russell Wilson is a forgettable QB. He's not top 10 in the league and is replaceable. When they lose a few more games this year, you will hear some complaints about him from anonymous sources.

 

[a55a5in11]

He's a ******* QB, the most important position in the NFL. Do you guys know what the QB is responsible for? :x
Just because he isn't lighting up the stat sheet doesn't mean he isn't make huge key plays during the game
Im not even going to argue this WIlson vs. Luck, Wilson the game manager, Wilson blah blah blah.
To say a QB has little impact on a team winning is completely ludicrous

 

[CP1708]

He's a ******* QB, the most important position in the NFL. Do you guys know what the QB is responsible for? :x
Just because he isn't lighting up the stat sheet doesn't mean he isn't make huge key plays during the game
Im not even going to argue this WIlson vs. Luck, Wilson the game manager, Wilson blah blah blah.
To say a QB has little impact on a team winning is completely ludicrous

 

[do work son]

How did you completely miss the point?

 

[nothingtol0se]

He's a ******* QB, the most important position in the NFL. Do you guys know what the QB is responsible for? :x
Just because he isn't lighting up the stat sheet doesn't mean he isn't make huge key plays during the game
Im not even going to argue this WIlson vs. Luck, Wilson the game manager, Wilson blah blah blah.
To say a QB has little impact on a team winning is completely ludicrous

strong reading comprehension

 

[a55a5in11]

So what you fools are saying is Tom Brady had little to no impact on the Patriots winning games during the Superbowl champion years? Or does this only apply to RW?

 

[DeadsetAce]

So what you fools are saying is Tom Brady had little to no impact on the Patriots winning games during the Superbowl champion years? Or does this only apply to RW?

did you watch those superbowls? srs...

 

[a55a5in11]

So what you fools are saying is Tom Brady had little to no impact on the Patriots winning games during the Superbowl champion years? Or does this only apply to RW?

did you watch those superbowls? srs...

Which is what I am trying to say. Tom Brady didn't light up the stat sheet during those years but we don't discredit him. So why are we discrediting Wilson?

 

[certifiedsw]

Russell Wilson is a forgettable QB. He's not top 10 in the league and is replaceable. When they lose a few more games this year, you will hear some complaints about him from anonymous sources.

Yeah you're right

 

[CP1708]

So what you fools are saying is Tom Brady had little to no impact on the Patriots winning games during the Superbowl champion years? Or does this only apply to RW?

did you watch those superbowls? srs...

Which is what I am trying to say. Tom Brady didn't light up the stat sheet during those years but we don't discredit him. So why are we discrediting Wilson?

Hopefully the light comes on for you guys soon.

Read this part you just said.....

So why are we discrediting Wilson?

A year or so ago, we noticed a trend of Seattle fans discrediting the **** out of Andrew Luck, saying that Russ could do everything Luck does, only better.

We disagreed.

You guys pointed at Russ passer rating, TD's, wins, playoffs, SB, even tho it was pointed out, a lot, that Russ was getting plenty of that stuff on the backs of the Defense, and Marshawn Lynch.

You guys DENIED those claims.

You ignored Luck's stats, in favor of Russell's leadership, intangibles, and wins. Now, he hits a cold streak, when his defense and run game has lessened, and you're pointing at Russ's stats, as some sort of "look what he's doing out here with nobody!!!" type of arguments.


So which is it? Russ doesn't get stats, but gets wins, and deserves praise for that, or now he's got a couple losses, but look at his stats, and he's still great?

Which is it? That's what we're pointing out to you guys. He got a lot of wins with elite defense and Lynch, but you demanded credit go to Russ, now their losing a few games, his defense and Lynch have slacked a bit, and your demanding Russ be credited with great stats, wins be damned.

You don't see any holes in that logic? Am I, or DWS, Chester, DSA, dland, making this stuff up?

 

[elpablo21]

Kyle Orton Was The Most Pivotal Quarterback In Week 8

According to data from Brian Burke of Advanced Football Analytics, Kyle Orton had three of the NFL's top five most positive plays of the week on the Bills' game-winning drive.

Orton's fourth-down completion to Scott Chandler raised the Bills' Win Probability 28 percentage points from 4 percent to 32 percent. Orton's completion to Sammy Watkins four plays later raised Win Probability 27 percentage points from 19 percent to 46 percent. His completion to Chris Hogan two plays after the Watkins completion raised the Bills' Win Probability 59 percentage points from 24 percent to 83 percent. This led to the game-winning touchdown pass to Watkins two plays later. Significant increases in Win Probability happen when a quarterback makes big completions like this near the end of a tight game.


Burke's Win Probability measures a variety of things, like time remaining, score, down, and distance. And while the Bills came out on top in their last-minute comeback attempt, the Jets didn't fare as well.

Down two points with five seconds remaining, the Jets had a chance to win the game with a 58-yard field goal attempt. But Nick Folk's kick was blocked in what was the costliest play of the week. The play lowered the Jets' Win Probability 27 percentage points from 27 percent to 0 percent (which means the game ended in a Jets loss by the play's conclusion).

http://regressing.deadspin.com/kyle...votal-quarterback-in-week-8-1648425167/+benes

 

[pacificnorsewst]

Orton.

**** the Vikings, man.

 

[CP1708]

Aaron Rodgers is up to four straight games with at least three TD passes and no INTs, tying the longest streak in NFL history (Tom Brady, 2007). He faces a Saints defense that ranks 29th in defensive efficiency.

Tom Brady has the highest completion percentage (68 percent) and most passing touchdowns (5) on throws 15 or more yards downfield since the start of Week 5. Brady is 3-0 in his career against the Bears with a QBR of 90 in his past two starts against them.

The two best QBR games of Ryan Tannehill's career have come in his past three games. He faces a Jaguars team in Week 8 that has allowed the most passing yards this season.

After posting a Total QBR of 86 in his first career start, Teddy Bridgewater has a Total QBR of 6 in his past two games. That's the lowest QBR in the NFL in that span.

Good news: The Jaguars won a game. Bad news: Blake Bortles' Total QBR was 9, the lowest for a quarterback in a win since Cincy's Andy Dalton posted a 4 in Week 11 of 2013 against the Browns

Philip Rivers will take his No. 2-ranked QBR and 5-2 record into Denver to face Peyton Manning, who boasts the No. 1 QBR and a 5-1 record.

 

[a55a5in11]

Actually I never said Russell was better. I said so far at the time Russell and a better career than Luck, which was true. I also said I thought Luck would have a better career at the end of the day

 

[pacificnorsewst]

I'm giving Teddy the benefit of the doubt. 3 of his picks game from tips where the receiver definitely should have caught the ball and his offensive line is in shambles right now. Kalil has regressed horrifically since his rooke season and they're out their pro bowl center and a guard who they just gave a long-term deal to. He's in the middle of the fire right now, so if he gets out unscathed, he'll be just fine.