That’s crazy if u found a 2021 for even 179k…. All I have found have been north of 230kThat’s crazy - I just did a search in Atlanta for 2020-2021 $170K - $250k for non AMG. That’s insane.
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Changing to the AA EL MP and adding carbon tips really would change the tone? How about the actual exhaust? Why is it so expensive? Sorry, I don't understand this stuff.
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yeah once you add in exhaust tips, that exhaust package is around $5k.
the carbon tips are just aesthetic. the EL MP will give the car a deeper tone though. i've read tons of great reviews on it, and i believe its around $1300? sounds clips are promising too. if you get it and you're satisfied, awesome. if not, you can sell it and buy a full exhaust or add on an axle back to the EL MP.
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yeppThat’s crazy - I just did a search in Atlanta for 2020-2021 $170K - $250k for non AMG. That’s insane.
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A friend at Porsche sent me this.. paint to sample “Nato Olive” SportTurismo”….
Well for background I do know:I kinda feel that all these digital dashes and digital center console has kinda made some interior designs boring
design what do you think?
Nice spec! My MSLR was delayed out until Sept-Oct. Autopilot, flawless phone key operation & OTA updates-Tesla just has the software/hardware thing nailed.I love the E-Tron RS GT. But if we're talking TCTTS I might take that over the audi.
Although...I need autopilot in my life. I've seen too much now that i've had a taste. Can't go back to normal commuting unless i'm in a sports car.
Sold my Y LR last week. Model Y Performance gets delivered tomorrow. Crazy to think it's my 5th Tesla. Grey with white interior., but have an appt for wrap on July 15th.
Well for background I do know:
Up until the VW Group figured out that it could emphasize automotive interiors around 1996 (i.e. spend a few hundred more-see generation Audi A4 reference) and share parts/de-content cars mechanically (Ferdinand Piech doesn't get the credit he deserves here) most OEMs didn't really have a focus on interiors outside of the instruments. Let's look at the Honda Civic, the leading 'B' segment from 1990 to today in 15 year(ish) segments:
1990/ 2005/ 2021
Maybe 'simplicity' = 'boring' from your POV but let's assume its more 'traditional' thinking to frame this discussion (i.e visual excitement/engagement = not boring)
While the crisp, large, perfectly lit gauges from the 1990 Civic is a revelation even today and makes even the new generation IP look a bit narrow in comparison, the 2005/2021 have far more interesting shapes, textures and materials, along with variating radii on various surface axis along mostly every part in the interior.
New interiors are far mire 'fussy' visually - which I'm not advocating by any means to be a great thing - again I'm a big fan of the sight lines of the Model 3 chassis cars which remind me of the 1990 Civic (no hood in view, slim dashboard) but removing my bias aside, I think while there is some inevitable standardization amongst manufactures for the pads mounted on the dashboard, the other thousands of parts that make up and interior is now rendered with much more design thought and detail it would be extremely difficult for me to call new car interior boring.
Here is a D class segment car, Mercedes S Class again for comparison:
1990/ 2005/ 2021/
Ironically, the S Class has returned to simplicity in its latest iteration vs. the Civic. IMHO, the 'starkness' that the 1990s Civic and S Class have here is more 'timeless'-while the mid 2000s version, while interesting, hasn't aged well. How artfully OEMs integrate screens was the key going back to the early 2010s.
More irony? GM is particularly proud of the fact that its screens are the largest in the industry.I saw this today.. the new Caddy lyriq inspired by their past.. pretty cool…
Car design used to have nicely integrated screens until tesla slapped ipads in and realized all people care about is screen size. Now screens are just slapped in with so many brands and they look ridiculous.
Ironically the larger the screen the more safe it is for the driver.
as always i appreciate ur perspectiveWell for background I do know:
Up until the VW Group figured out that it could emphasize automotive interiors around 1996 (i.e. spend a few hundred more-see generation Audi A4 reference) and share parts/de-content cars mechanically (Ferdinand Piech doesn't get the credit he deserves here) most OEMs didn't really have a focus on interiors outside of the instruments. Let's look at the Honda Civic, the leading 'B' segment from 1990 to today in 15 year(ish) segments:
1990/ 2005/ 2021
Maybe 'simplicity' = 'boring' from your POV but let's assume its more 'traditional' thinking to frame this discussion (i.e visual excitement/engagement = not boring)
While the crisp, large, perfectly lit gauges from the 1990 Civic is a revelation even today and makes even the new generation IP look a bit narrow in comparison, the 2005/2021 have far more interesting shapes, textures and materials, along with variating radii on various surface axis along mostly every part in the interior.
New interiors are far more ‘fussy' visually - which I'm not advocating by any means to be a great thing - again I'm a big fan of the sight lines of the Model 3 chassis cars which remind me of the 1990 Civic (no hood in view, slim dashboard) but removing my bias aside, I think while there is some inevitable standardization amongst manufactures for the pads mounted on the dashboard, the other thousands of parts that make up and interior is now rendered with much more design thought and detail it would be extremely difficult for me to call new car interiors boring.
Here is a D class segment car, Mercedes S Class again for comparison:
1990/ 2005/ 2021/
Ironically, the S Class has returned to simplicity in its latest iteration vs. the Civic. IMHO, the 'starkness' that the 1990s Civic and S Class have here is more 'timeless'-while the mid 2000s versions, while interesting, hasn't aged well. How artfully OEMs integrate screens was the key going back to the early 2010s.
i also think the screen is more dangerous to operate compared to a knob or buttonMore irony? GM is particularly proud of the fact that its screens are the largest in the industry.
Regarding Tesla, as always, I tend to look at the 30K foot POV:
One of the biggest expenses in auto interiors are the-dashboard airbags! Looking at that GM Design sketch, notice how the lower part of the dash is so bulky? Head on, the 3/Y are much slimmer. Those airbag modules are pricey, and I can more than live with a 'floating' screen on a dashboard if everything else is minimal visually. I don't really care for the visual drama in interior in most cars for under $125K, and even at that price point some of the VW Group stuff can be jarring, because I recognize parts from $20K cars in them along with most of the common supplier parts. I am very jaded admittedly in that aspect, so that is definitely a bias on my part-it just begins to become pointless to me.
Some designers prefer a slimmer profile to add to a sense of 'airiness' to cabin. Others, as you've noted, prefer more visual theater. Interesting to note is when viewing the 1990s (simple) vs early 2000s interiors (no so much) I personally prefer some of the 1990s stuff, especially when combined with the low front sight lines that were on trend during that time-but some prefer seeing a large swath of metal out there.
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Some prefer the left living space over the right, and vice versa. As I've always stated about design, such is objectivity, different approaches and consumer choice.
The larger screens were a natural transition as more buttons have been taken out of interiors (cost and er, 'tech') and more adjustability has been added. The increased sub menus within those larger screens have actually increases driver distraction statistically as an unfortunate byproduct.
the new s class is probably the most comfortable car i've ever been in tbhI like prev gen interiors where its a little busier than current gen. Example the S class.
I guess one trend is the more minimal the better, which does work in some cases (not just cars but interior spaces like mentioned). Sometimes too minimal is just...well not boring but doesnt bring a sense of occasion to me. I dont wanna feel like im in my minimalistic living room in my car. I wanna feel like im in a luxury whip. New S class is too “techy” for my taste. Now its not bad, but I prefer the former.
Teslas interior, obviously the king of minimal, is done tastefully but super bland at the same time. Feels like im in a robot.
