PHANTOM BIBLICAL PASSAGES?

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by Kramer

I knew most of those weren't, but I probably read it more then most people on here

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by Kramer

I knew most of those weren't, but I probably read it more then most people on here

 

[its that dude]

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Originally Posted by Kramer

I knew most of those weren't, but I probably read it more then most people on here

here's how my conversation went with my catholic cousin yesterday

Her: People need religion because they can't no what good and bad is without religion.
Me: What about the people who existed before religion was created?
Her: Religion has existed since the creation of man.
Me:  Your religion says that Adam and Eve didn't know what good and bad was when they were created by your God.
Her: I'm not that religious.
Me: 

 

[its that dude]

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Originally Posted by Kramer

I knew most of those weren't, but I probably read it more then most people on here

here's how my conversation went with my catholic cousin yesterday

Her: People need religion because they can't no what good and bad is without religion.
Me: What about the people who existed before religion was created?
Her: Religion has existed since the creation of man.
Me:  Your religion says that Adam and Eve didn't know what good and bad was when they were created by your God.
Her: I'm not that religious.
Me: 

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Originally Posted by Kramer

I knew most of those weren't, but I probably read it more then most people on here

here's how my conversation went with my catholic cousin yesterday

Her: People need religion because they can't no what good and bad is without religion.
Me: What about the people who existed before religion was created?
Her: Religion has existed since the creation of man.
Me:  Your religion says that Adam and Eve didn't know what good and bad was when they were created by your God.
Her: I'm not that religious.
Me: 

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Originally Posted by Kramer

I knew most of those weren't, but I probably read it more then most people on here

here's how my conversation went with my catholic cousin yesterday

Her: People need religion because they can't no what good and bad is without religion.
Me: What about the people who existed before religion was created?
Her: Religion has existed since the creation of man.
Me:  Your religion says that Adam and Eve didn't know what good and bad was when they were created by your God.
Her: I'm not that religious.
Me: 

 

[its that dude]

you didn't know that?

they didn't know what was good or bad before they ate from http://en.wikipedia.org/w...owledge_of_good_and_evil

one of the classic arguments is how can Eve know that eating from the tree was "bad" because she has no idea what "bad" is. 

 

[its that dude]

you didn't know that?

they didn't know what was good or bad before they ate from http://en.wikipedia.org/w...owledge_of_good_and_evil

one of the classic arguments is how can Eve know that eating from the tree was "bad" because she has no idea what "bad" is. 

 

[topherr]

no %#++

 

[topherr]

no %#++

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

you didn't know that?

they didn't know what was good or bad before they ate from http://en.wikipedia.org/w...owledge_of_good_and_evil

one of the classic arguments is how can Eve know that eating from the tree was "bad" because she has no idea what "bad" is. 

Nah I knew that

but that's prolly the expression she gave you. The Adam and Eve story is a paradox in so many ways

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

you didn't know that?

they didn't know what was good or bad before they ate from http://en.wikipedia.org/w...owledge_of_good_and_evil

one of the classic arguments is how can Eve know that eating from the tree was "bad" because she has no idea what "bad" is. 

Nah I knew that

but that's prolly the expression she gave you. The Adam and Eve story is a paradox in so many ways

 

[retro23j]

good post

 

[retro23j]

good post

 

[b smooth 202]

A+ thread...groundbreaking material being discussed in here..

Anton further displays his genius by proving the bible is a work of fiction!!!!!! 

Please share some more of your inquiries Anton....your intelligence is out of this world 

In all serious, please come up with something better to contribute to discussion. Your attack on organized religion is rudimentary! Move on. 

 

[b smooth 202]

A+ thread...groundbreaking material being discussed in here..

Anton further displays his genius by proving the bible is a work of fiction!!!!!! 

Please share some more of your inquiries Anton....your intelligence is out of this world 

In all serious, please come up with something better to contribute to discussion. Your attack on organized religion is rudimentary! Move on. 

 

[jwill jr]

The title makes it seem as if the actual tempting of Eve by Satan did not occur, which it did..But I get the just of the artice... A lot of ppl do take the Bible out of context. Most of the things that frustrate me, is when a person dies, they say "God must of needed another Angel. Well, first of all, there are plenty of Angels in the Heavenlies, as well, a person does not become an Angel when they die. "The Lord works in mysteious ways" is another one. Ppl use that when they dont understand what God is "doing" in their lives. Usually its when something bad is going on in their lives, in which God didnt cause anyways. It all comes down to a lack of bibical knowledge. The more and more one studies the bible, and allows the Holy Spirit to teach them in all truths is when they will get a knowledge and understanding of the bible.

 

[jwill jr]

The title makes it seem as if the actual tempting of Eve by Satan did not occur, which it did..But I get the just of the artice... A lot of ppl do take the Bible out of context. Most of the things that frustrate me, is when a person dies, they say "God must of needed another Angel. Well, first of all, there are plenty of Angels in the Heavenlies, as well, a person does not become an Angel when they die. "The Lord works in mysteious ways" is another one. Ppl use that when they dont understand what God is "doing" in their lives. Usually its when something bad is going on in their lives, in which God didnt cause anyways. It all comes down to a lack of bibical knowledge. The more and more one studies the bible, and allows the Holy Spirit to teach them in all truths is when they will get a knowledge and understanding of the bible.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by B Smooth 202

A+ thread...groundbreaking material being discussed in here..

Anton further displays his genius by proving the bible is a work of fiction!!!!!! 

Please share some more of your inquiries Anton....your intelligence is out of this world 

In all serious, please come up with something better to contribute to discussion. Your attack on organized religion is rudimentary! Move on. 

BSmooth right on cue with the salty posts.

You of all people should be supporting people not misquoting the bible.

And it's been proven you're easily the most ignorant NTer EVER. Which is saying a lot. Your opinions are null and void. If you don't like the thread, you don't have to click on it.

What if the gay people try to turn their children gay.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by B Smooth 202

A+ thread...groundbreaking material being discussed in here..

Anton further displays his genius by proving the bible is a work of fiction!!!!!! 

Please share some more of your inquiries Anton....your intelligence is out of this world 

In all serious, please come up with something better to contribute to discussion. Your attack on organized religion is rudimentary! Move on. 

BSmooth right on cue with the salty posts.

You of all people should be supporting people not misquoting the bible.

And it's been proven you're easily the most ignorant NTer EVER. Which is saying a lot. Your opinions are null and void. If you don't like the thread, you don't have to click on it.

What if the gay people try to turn their children gay.

 

[kramer]

God did tell Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of that tree, that's why they knew they shouldnt be doing it

 

[kramer]

God did tell Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of that tree, that's why they knew they shouldnt be doing it

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Jwill JR

The title makes it seem as if the actual tempting of Eve by Satan did not occur, which it did..But I get the just of the artice... A lot of ppl do take the Bible out of context. Most of the things that frustrate me, is when a person dies, they say "God must of needed another Angel. Well, first of all, there are plenty of Angels in the Heavenlies, as well, a person does not become an Angel when they die. "The Lord works in mysteious ways" is another one. Ppl use that when they dont understand what God is "doing" in their lives. Usually its when something bad is going on in their lives, in which God didnt cause anyways. It all comes down to a lack of bibical knowledge. The more and more one studies the bible, and allows the Holy Spirit to teach them in all truths is when they will get a knowledge and understanding of the bible.

Is The Biblical Serpent Satan?

Is the Serpent in the Garden according to the Bible Satan?

[table][tr][td]Pro 14:15[/td][td]The simple believeth every word: but the prudent [man] looketh well to his going.[/td][/tr][/table]

Short Answer: NO!

The Long Answer may shock you!

Here's a few things to consider:

    In Genesis 3:14 we read:

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

As you can see, the Serpent is cursed for his trickery and has to crawl on it's belly forever and "eat dust". Metaphorically of course.. that is, his proximity is so close to the ground that dirt cannot help but get into his mouth. I think it's fair to call this one a metaphor. So.. what we have hear is a pretty good description of a snake. Serpents are snakes, in fact, the Hebrew word for snake IS "[size=-1]nachash[/size]" which is a snake. This word is found all throughout the Bible to refer to snakes. But has Satan been stricken with such a punishment? This is what we will find out in a moment.

    One big problem is that, if Satan was the serpent, why is God punishing him to be a snake.. and why would the Serpent be called a "[size=-1]nachash[/size]" a snake, if he wasn't one yet? The Serpent is called a Serpeant long before he actually became one. One is led to accept then that at one point snakes could walk around and had limbs. Yes.. I know it's getting a bit muddled already. This sounds very much like mythological retelling. Someone trying to explain why a certain animal has a particular attribute. Now, is Satan... a snake... that's slithering around? Or much more than that? If Satan is now just a snake.. then how is he able to tempt man and just so happens to be everywhere in the world? A single slithering serpent crawling on the ground is ubiquitious? Something is wrong here.

    "Satan is a spiritual being", some may say. If Satan is a spritual being and not a physical one, what does it mean to be "turned into a snake" anyway? How could he "eat dust"? Isn't dust physical as well? So, even using such a term as "eat dust" metaphorically still wouldn't make any sense if a "spirtual" Satan were truly the culprit.

    Some will retort, that the snake itself was metaphor for his sneakiness and crafty ways. Okay.. I would go with that except for a few problems. Is it metaphor to go "upon your belly"? Is "the Serpent" (many who believe is Satan) crawling around on it's belly forever or did the Bible make a mistake?

    We read in Job 1:7:"

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

     Satan was walking?! Did God's curse wear off over time? Did Elohim punish the Serpent, or did he not? Walking in this context is from the Hebrew word, Halak. Halak is used mostly to denote traveling with feet in the Hebrew. However.. even if not literally walking. Is Satan slithering to and fro? Again, what are you saying here? A spiritual being that needs to slither to move? If he's spiritual, why travel to and fro, up and down. Can't he go through the mountains? If this being was just a snake, that makes more sense as snakes do travel here as described. In that case, we can make the serpent's walking metaphor. However, how can this be Satan?

    Some at this point may try to argue that I'm picking and choosing. That I'm being inconsistent. That I'm chosing literal meanings arbitrarily. Those that say so miss the point of this inquiry. That's exactly the point! In fact, I am analyzing what many believers think about this Serpent's nature and who or what it is. These questions must be answered by the Biblical literalist. What's metaphor.. what's literal.. and how do you know it?

    Again, what does it mean to metaphorically state that the Serpent is crawling on it's belly? Isn't it obvious that this is just another myth? A Pandora's box story where ancient man is simply trying to explain how evil arose and how it was caused?

    Let's be clear here. I don't believe in a literal Satan. But I think the evidence is overwhelming that the Serpent in the Garden could not have been Satan. However, in the Bible there are quite a number of places that associate the snake (serpent) in the Garden as Satan. We do know however that when the new testament came along. The writers injected their own ideas about what they thought they were reading. Many followers of Christ assume that the Serpent is Satan without much investigation. It truly doesn't add up.I challenge those that are skeptical. DON'T take my word for it. Visit blueletterbible.org and look up these words yourself. I challenge you to also copy and paste the Hebrew words into google. It will simply blow you away at how much the church simply isn't telling you. In fact, they can't. They don't know either.

    In closing. It's obvious that something is not right here. Could it simply be that man's fear of this creature generated such a fairy tale? Thousands of years ago a snake bite would have been even more fatal than it is today. Makes sense to base such a story on such a slithery (crafty) creature that can end lives with a single bite. Truly sounds like a mythological story bred from fear and ignorance. Amazing how such a story could be believed by even some the most intelligent people. Wake up people, mythology has you!

A little more about Satan is here, some errors by Bible writers and reinterpreters. Is Lucifer Satan?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Jwill JR

The title makes it seem as if the actual tempting of Eve by Satan did not occur, which it did..But I get the just of the artice... A lot of ppl do take the Bible out of context. Most of the things that frustrate me, is when a person dies, they say "God must of needed another Angel. Well, first of all, there are plenty of Angels in the Heavenlies, as well, a person does not become an Angel when they die. "The Lord works in mysteious ways" is another one. Ppl use that when they dont understand what God is "doing" in their lives. Usually its when something bad is going on in their lives, in which God didnt cause anyways. It all comes down to a lack of bibical knowledge. The more and more one studies the bible, and allows the Holy Spirit to teach them in all truths is when they will get a knowledge and understanding of the bible.

Is The Biblical Serpent Satan?

Is the Serpent in the Garden according to the Bible Satan?

[table][tr][td]Pro 14:15[/td][td]The simple believeth every word: but the prudent [man] looketh well to his going.[/td][/tr][/table]

Short Answer: NO!

The Long Answer may shock you!

Here's a few things to consider:

    In Genesis 3:14 we read:

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

As you can see, the Serpent is cursed for his trickery and has to crawl on it's belly forever and "eat dust". Metaphorically of course.. that is, his proximity is so close to the ground that dirt cannot help but get into his mouth. I think it's fair to call this one a metaphor. So.. what we have hear is a pretty good description of a snake. Serpents are snakes, in fact, the Hebrew word for snake IS "[size=-1]nachash[/size]" which is a snake. This word is found all throughout the Bible to refer to snakes. But has Satan been stricken with such a punishment? This is what we will find out in a moment.

    One big problem is that, if Satan was the serpent, why is God punishing him to be a snake.. and why would the Serpent be called a "[size=-1]nachash[/size]" a snake, if he wasn't one yet? The Serpent is called a Serpeant long before he actually became one. One is led to accept then that at one point snakes could walk around and had limbs. Yes.. I know it's getting a bit muddled already. This sounds very much like mythological retelling. Someone trying to explain why a certain animal has a particular attribute. Now, is Satan... a snake... that's slithering around? Or much more than that? If Satan is now just a snake.. then how is he able to tempt man and just so happens to be everywhere in the world? A single slithering serpent crawling on the ground is ubiquitious? Something is wrong here.

    "Satan is a spiritual being", some may say. If Satan is a spritual being and not a physical one, what does it mean to be "turned into a snake" anyway? How could he "eat dust"? Isn't dust physical as well? So, even using such a term as "eat dust" metaphorically still wouldn't make any sense if a "spirtual" Satan were truly the culprit.

    Some will retort, that the snake itself was metaphor for his sneakiness and crafty ways. Okay.. I would go with that except for a few problems. Is it metaphor to go "upon your belly"? Is "the Serpent" (many who believe is Satan) crawling around on it's belly forever or did the Bible make a mistake?

    We read in Job 1:7:"

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

     Satan was walking?! Did God's curse wear off over time? Did Elohim punish the Serpent, or did he not? Walking in this context is from the Hebrew word, Halak. Halak is used mostly to denote traveling with feet in the Hebrew. However.. even if not literally walking. Is Satan slithering to and fro? Again, what are you saying here? A spiritual being that needs to slither to move? If he's spiritual, why travel to and fro, up and down. Can't he go through the mountains? If this being was just a snake, that makes more sense as snakes do travel here as described. In that case, we can make the serpent's walking metaphor. However, how can this be Satan?

    Some at this point may try to argue that I'm picking and choosing. That I'm being inconsistent. That I'm chosing literal meanings arbitrarily. Those that say so miss the point of this inquiry. That's exactly the point! In fact, I am analyzing what many believers think about this Serpent's nature and who or what it is. These questions must be answered by the Biblical literalist. What's metaphor.. what's literal.. and how do you know it?

    Again, what does it mean to metaphorically state that the Serpent is crawling on it's belly? Isn't it obvious that this is just another myth? A Pandora's box story where ancient man is simply trying to explain how evil arose and how it was caused?

    Let's be clear here. I don't believe in a literal Satan. But I think the evidence is overwhelming that the Serpent in the Garden could not have been Satan. However, in the Bible there are quite a number of places that associate the snake (serpent) in the Garden as Satan. We do know however that when the new testament came along. The writers injected their own ideas about what they thought they were reading. Many followers of Christ assume that the Serpent is Satan without much investigation. It truly doesn't add up.I challenge those that are skeptical. DON'T take my word for it. Visit blueletterbible.org and look up these words yourself. I challenge you to also copy and paste the Hebrew words into google. It will simply blow you away at how much the church simply isn't telling you. In fact, they can't. They don't know either.

    In closing. It's obvious that something is not right here. Could it simply be that man's fear of this creature generated such a fairy tale? Thousands of years ago a snake bite would have been even more fatal than it is today. Makes sense to base such a story on such a slithery (crafty) creature that can end lives with a single bite. Truly sounds like a mythological story bred from fear and ignorance. Amazing how such a story could be believed by even some the most intelligent people. Wake up people, mythology has you!

A little more about Satan is here, some errors by Bible writers and reinterpreters. Is Lucifer Satan?

 

[darthska]

"God will never give you more than you can handle."

Christians quote this as scripture to each other all the time as a show of support without realizing that it's nowhere in the Bible.