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I'm tired of all these %%%@!$ Hollinger and Steins Pers, win shares, etc.
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Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
So Mamba MVP, since one player can help his team more by himself in basketball than any other team sport, it NECESSARILY means that said player doesn't need a team, and it is also logical to attribute team win-loss records and team titles to that player correct?Thanks for the non-sequitur.
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
So Mamba MVP, since one player can help his team more by himself in basketball than any other team sport, it NECESSARILY means that said player doesn't need a team, and it is also logical to attribute team win-loss records and team titles to that player correct?Thanks for the non-sequitur.
Originally Posted by DaComeUP
I'm tired of all these %%%@!$ Hollinger and Steins Pers, win shares, etc.
Originally Posted by DaComeUP
I'm tired of all these %%%@!$ Hollinger and Steins Pers, win shares, etc.
Originally Posted by MisterP0315
Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
It might be a failure in the mainstream media, but I'll take this team over 18-64 any day of the week. All the Tim Leglers and Mike Wilbons of the world could eat a fat one if they start dissing us if we don't win the chip this year. It's like getting a Harvard Law degree and only making 200K, haters might hate, but you're still balling regardless.
And as far as the trash talk, I expect every player and team to talk trash. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah, we're not that good. We're going to have a tough time beating Boston and LA?" I wouldn't want to root for a team that had low self esteem (i.e. 2010-2011 Cavs). Every player should expect to win every game. If you don't expect to win, then don't even show up to the arena.
Originally Posted by MisterP0315
Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
It might be a failure in the mainstream media, but I'll take this team over 18-64 any day of the week. All the Tim Leglers and Mike Wilbons of the world could eat a fat one if they start dissing us if we don't win the chip this year. It's like getting a Harvard Law degree and only making 200K, haters might hate, but you're still balling regardless.
And as far as the trash talk, I expect every player and team to talk trash. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah, we're not that good. We're going to have a tough time beating Boston and LA?" I wouldn't want to root for a team that had low self esteem (i.e. 2010-2011 Cavs). Every player should expect to win every game. If you don't expect to win, then don't even show up to the arena.
Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
So Mamba MVP, since one player can help his team more by himself in basketball than any other team sport, it NECESSARILY means that said player doesn't need a team, and it is also logical to attribute team win-loss records and team titles to that player correct?Thanks for the non-sequitur.
Well that's the argument that was being made by OP, that LeBron had such a great impact that he and he alone have caused the Cavs to fall into the WNBA's realm.
Of course the team is needed, basketball is a team sport. How can you deny that certain players have an much greater impact and ability to affect a game's outcome. Are you gonna sit here and say Luke Walton has as big of a role and impact on a game or the Lakers winning as Kobe Bryant? Or without Jud Buechler, MJ wouldn't have won a title? It's just asinine and comical to suggest that. Yes and the reverse works. The biggest stars receive most of the credit and by the same token deserve and usually receive most of the blame. It's been that way for as long as I remember. Hell even when the Lakers won in Game 7, people on here were blaming Kobe for not playing well, that's just how it goes.
If this wasn't the case then everyone would be making the same amount of money cause they are equally important to success.
Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
So Mamba MVP, since one player can help his team more by himself in basketball than any other team sport, it NECESSARILY means that said player doesn't need a team, and it is also logical to attribute team win-loss records and team titles to that player correct?Thanks for the non-sequitur.
Well that's the argument that was being made by OP, that LeBron had such a great impact that he and he alone have caused the Cavs to fall into the WNBA's realm.
Of course the team is needed, basketball is a team sport. How can you deny that certain players have an much greater impact and ability to affect a game's outcome. Are you gonna sit here and say Luke Walton has as big of a role and impact on a game or the Lakers winning as Kobe Bryant? Or without Jud Buechler, MJ wouldn't have won a title? It's just asinine and comical to suggest that. Yes and the reverse works. The biggest stars receive most of the credit and by the same token deserve and usually receive most of the blame. It's been that way for as long as I remember. Hell even when the Lakers won in Game 7, people on here were blaming Kobe for not playing well, that's just how it goes.
If this wasn't the case then everyone would be making the same amount of money cause they are equally important to success.
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
They do but I think it is just as foolish. Especially a QB when he has no control over the defense of his team. Blaming one man for the failure of a team is something I don't and will never get.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?
They do but I think it is just as foolish. Especially a QB when he has no control over the defense of his team. Blaming one man for the failure of a team is something I don't and will never get.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?
He has no heart though. Look at game 5 vs celtics.Originally Posted by shoeking2101
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
He has no heart though. Look at game 5 vs celtics.Originally Posted by shoeking2101
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
Originally Posted by knightngale
He has no heart though. Look at game 5 vs celtics.Originally Posted by shoeking2101
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
They do but I think it is just as foolish. Especially a QB when he has no control over the defense of his team. Blaming one man for the failure of a team is something I don't and will never get.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?