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I'm tired of all these %%%@!$ Hollinger and Steins Pers, win shares, etc.
Okay, can we FINALLY admit.....
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Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
It might be a failure in the mainstream media, but I'll take this team over 18-64 any day of the week. All the Tim Leglers and Mike Wilbons of the world could eat a fat one if they start dissing us if we don't win the chip this year. It's like getting a Harvard Law degree and only making 200K, haters might hate, but you're still balling regardless.
And as far as the trash talk, I expect every player and team to talk trash. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah, we're not that good. We're going to have a tough time beating Boston and LA?" I wouldn't want to root for a team that had low self esteem (i.e. 2010-2011 Cavs). Every player should expect to win every game. If you don't expect to win, then don't even show up to the arena.
That's the thing though. They started talking trash when the big 3 intially formed without coming back to reality and realizing that their bench and size would become a factor.
A couple injuries happen and then, LeBron comes out and says that him and Wade are playing too many minutes.
Then, they go on a streak and embrace being the villain and all that.
Then, LeBron and Wade say..."Oh. We don't have the chemistry like Boston or LA or whomever."
So...which is it?
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Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
It might be a failure in the mainstream media, but I'll take this team over 18-64 any day of the week. All the Tim Leglers and Mike Wilbons of the world could eat a fat one if they start dissing us if we don't win the chip this year. It's like getting a Harvard Law degree and only making 200K, haters might hate, but you're still balling regardless.
And as far as the trash talk, I expect every player and team to talk trash. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah, we're not that good. We're going to have a tough time beating Boston and LA?" I wouldn't want to root for a team that had low self esteem (i.e. 2010-2011 Cavs). Every player should expect to win every game. If you don't expect to win, then don't even show up to the arena.
That's the thing though. They started talking trash when the big 3 intially formed without coming back to reality and realizing that their bench and size would become a factor.
A couple injuries happen and then, LeBron comes out and says that him and Wade are playing too many minutes.
Then, they go on a streak and embrace being the villain and all that.
Then, LeBron and Wade say..."Oh. We don't have the chemistry like Boston or LA or whomever."
So...which is it?
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Well that's the argument that was being made by OP, that LeBron had such a great impact that he and he alone have caused the Cavs to fall into the WNBA's realm.
Of course the team is needed, basketball is a team sport. How can you deny that certain players have an much greater impact and ability to affect a game's outcome. Are you gonna sit here and say Luke Walton has as big of a role and impact on a game or the Lakers winning as Kobe Bryant? Or without Jud Buechler, MJ wouldn't have won a title? It's just asinine and comical to suggest that. Yes and the reverse works. The biggest stars receive most of the credit and by the same token deserve and usually receive most of the blame. It's been that way for as long as I remember. Hell even when the Lakers won in Game 7, people on here were blaming Kobe for not playing well, that's just how it goes.
If this wasn't the case then everyone would be making the same amount of money cause they are equally important to success.
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Well that's the argument that was being made by OP, that LeBron had such a great impact that he and he alone have caused the Cavs to fall into the WNBA's realm.
Of course the team is needed, basketball is a team sport. How can you deny that certain players have an much greater impact and ability to affect a game's outcome. Are you gonna sit here and say Luke Walton has as big of a role and impact on a game or the Lakers winning as Kobe Bryant? Or without Jud Buechler, MJ wouldn't have won a title? It's just asinine and comical to suggest that. Yes and the reverse works. The biggest stars receive most of the credit and by the same token deserve and usually receive most of the blame. It's been that way for as long as I remember. Hell even when the Lakers won in Game 7, people on here were blaming Kobe for not playing well, that's just how it goes.
If this wasn't the case then everyone would be making the same amount of money cause they are equally important to success.
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And I'm tired of stupid fans who use fanboyism, disregard objective evidence, and spew statements without rational thought. The feeling is mutual.
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And I'm tired of stupid fans who use fanboyism, disregard objective evidence, and spew statements without rational thought. The feeling is mutual.
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Originally Posted by MisterP0315
Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
It might be a failure in the mainstream media, but I'll take this team over 18-64 any day of the week. All the Tim Leglers and Mike Wilbons of the world could eat a fat one if they start dissing us if we don't win the chip this year. It's like getting a Harvard Law degree and only making 200K, haters might hate, but you're still balling regardless.
And as far as the trash talk, I expect every player and team to talk trash. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah, we're not that good. We're going to have a tough time beating Boston and LA?" I wouldn't want to root for a team that had low self esteem (i.e. 2010-2011 Cavs). Every player should expect to win every game. If you don't expect to win, then don't even show up to the arena.
That's the thing though. They started talking trash when the big 3 intially formed without coming back to reality and realizing that their bench and size would become a factor.
A couple injuries happen and then, LeBron comes out and says that him and Wade are playing too many minutes.
Then, they go on a streak and embrace being the villain and all that.
Then, LeBron and Wade say..."Oh. We don't have the chemistry like Boston or LA or whomever."
So...which is it?
- you know? in all honesty yall was fools for taking to heart what they said initially. like who does that? man i heard that stuff and it went in one ear and out the other because i knew they give away everything to get them.
- i didnt take it to heart when Allen Iverson and Carmelo was talking up big dreams after the trade. i just looked at it as they was hyped......big deal. (and YES i know Melo and AI did no where near what Miami did, but they did do it to an extent)
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Originally Posted by MisterP0315
Originally Posted by North Dade Represent
Mamba MVP wrote:
Don't you guys know that you can't develop chemistry in one season and put it all together to win it all? (Oh that's right Boston did it in 200
"Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"
The %*+* out of here with all the banter, them not winning it all after all the hoopla and !#$+ they talked over the summer will be a colossal failure. No ifs ands or buts.
With all the bonafide scrubs he's played with since he came into the league. Another top 3 player by his side and another All-Star should be more than enough.
It might be a failure in the mainstream media, but I'll take this team over 18-64 any day of the week. All the Tim Leglers and Mike Wilbons of the world could eat a fat one if they start dissing us if we don't win the chip this year. It's like getting a Harvard Law degree and only making 200K, haters might hate, but you're still balling regardless.
And as far as the trash talk, I expect every player and team to talk trash. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah, we're not that good. We're going to have a tough time beating Boston and LA?" I wouldn't want to root for a team that had low self esteem (i.e. 2010-2011 Cavs). Every player should expect to win every game. If you don't expect to win, then don't even show up to the arena.
That's the thing though. They started talking trash when the big 3 intially formed without coming back to reality and realizing that their bench and size would become a factor.
A couple injuries happen and then, LeBron comes out and says that him and Wade are playing too many minutes.
Then, they go on a streak and embrace being the villain and all that.
Then, LeBron and Wade say..."Oh. We don't have the chemistry like Boston or LA or whomever."
So...which is it?
- you know? in all honesty yall was fools for taking to heart what they said initially. like who does that? man i heard that stuff and it went in one ear and out the other because i knew they give away everything to get them.
- i didnt take it to heart when Allen Iverson and Carmelo was talking up big dreams after the trade. i just looked at it as they was hyped......big deal. (and YES i know Melo and AI did no where near what Miami did, but they did do it to an extent)
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So you made the transition from non-sequiturs to strawmen? Because I implied NONE of what you said in my post.
You see, I can say a player is the most important to his team WITHOUT putting a win or loss solely on his shoulders, because I always keep in mind that a win or loss is only recorded as an entire team, regardless of how the individual plays. A team DOESN'T have to win because its best player plays well. LeBron and Kobe actually had near identical production (both from box score, and to fill in the gaps) in the 2010 playoffs against the Celtics, and Wade outperformed the BOTH of them. The difference is that Kobe's supportIng cast did better at picking up the slack compared to Bron's and Wade's. It's that simple.
Enough with the bias. I couldn't care less who wins MVP or the title anyway, but these posts are just...DUMB.
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So you made the transition from non-sequiturs to strawmen? Because I implied NONE of what you said in my post.
You see, I can say a player is the most important to his team WITHOUT putting a win or loss solely on his shoulders, because I always keep in mind that a win or loss is only recorded as an entire team, regardless of how the individual plays. A team DOESN'T have to win because its best player plays well. LeBron and Kobe actually had near identical production (both from box score, and to fill in the gaps) in the 2010 playoffs against the Celtics, and Wade outperformed the BOTH of them. The difference is that Kobe's supportIng cast did better at picking up the slack compared to Bron's and Wade's. It's that simple.
Enough with the bias. I couldn't care less who wins MVP or the title anyway, but these posts are just...DUMB.
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Oh so now we're the silly and stupid ones for believing what they said? Well excuse me for not being inside Bron's head. He said what he truly believed, we've seen it multiple times this season and he's recanted on subsequent things making him look like a clown but that's neither here nor there. I mean what are we supposed to do?
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?
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Oh so now we're the silly and stupid ones for believing what they said? Well excuse me for not being inside Bron's head. He said what he truly believed, we've seen it multiple times this season and he's recanted on subsequent things making him look like a clown but that's neither here nor there. I mean what are we supposed to do?
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?
And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?
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Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
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Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
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Mamba MVP, are you discounting LeBron because he has a damn bloated ego? What does any of that have to do with what I said in my posts or his play ON THE COURT? Shouldn't you also disregard Kobe as an all-time great because of adultery, the Colorado case, his rift with Shaq and Phil, and also for being among the most socially awkward athletes in today's sports?
"And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?"
The people who keep stats for them don't actually treat them as gospel. The baseball sabremetric community has moved away from W-L records for pitchers a long time ago (for the reasons I stated earlier) and football people are finding better ways to look at QB performance. They're only fodder for the causal fan and sensationalist sportswriter who, quite frankly, are lazy and don't want to be bothered with extra math and learning more about the game.
"And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?"
The people who keep stats for them don't actually treat them as gospel. The baseball sabremetric community has moved away from W-L records for pitchers a long time ago (for the reasons I stated earlier) and football people are finding better ways to look at QB performance. They're only fodder for the causal fan and sensationalist sportswriter who, quite frankly, are lazy and don't want to be bothered with extra math and learning more about the game.
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Mamba MVP, are you discounting LeBron because he has a damn bloated ego? What does any of that have to do with what I said in my posts or his play ON THE COURT? Shouldn't you also disregard Kobe as an all-time great because of adultery, the Colorado case, his rift with Shaq and Phil, and also for being among the most socially awkward athletes in today's sports?
"And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?"
The people who keep stats for them don't actually treat them as gospel. The baseball sabremetric community has moved away from W-L records for pitchers a long time ago (for the reasons I stated earlier) and football people are finding better ways to look at QB performance. They're only fodder for the causal fan and sensationalist sportswriter who, quite frankly, are lazy and don't want to be bothered with extra math and learning more about the game.
"And lastly for Jedi, why do they keep stats W-L records for quarterbacks or pitchers, etc. I mean they have teams too right?"
The people who keep stats for them don't actually treat them as gospel. The baseball sabremetric community has moved away from W-L records for pitchers a long time ago (for the reasons I stated earlier) and football people are finding better ways to look at QB performance. They're only fodder for the causal fan and sensationalist sportswriter who, quite frankly, are lazy and don't want to be bothered with extra math and learning more about the game.
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They do but I think it is just as foolish. Especially a QB when he has no control over the defense of his team. Blaming one man for the failure of a team is something I don't and will never get.
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They do but I think it is just as foolish. Especially a QB when he has no control over the defense of his team. Blaming one man for the failure of a team is something I don't and will never get.
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He has no heart though. Look at game 5 vs celtics.Originally Posted by shoeking2101
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
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He has no heart though. Look at game 5 vs celtics.Originally Posted by shoeking2101
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
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Originally Posted by knightngale
He has no heart though. Look at game 5 vs celtics.Originally Posted by shoeking2101
Originally Posted by mYToAsterspeak
I'm surprised this thread has this many pages. #6 has tremendous talent and basketball skill. But I'll tell you this, he has no heart, no courage, no poise, he's not a leader, he's a coward, and he folds under pressure when things start going astray. I can't stand that man, and I can't appreciate his talent as much because I absolutely loathe him as a human being. Plus I know things about how he used to treat the people who work at the Q, and how he used to let his family disrespect the people that work there also. Makes me dislike him even more
And everybody keeps talking about how he had no supporting cast in Cleveland, and how the Cavs failed in trying to get good players around him. I think it's silly and complete BS. You don't win 60+ games two years in a row if you have a team full bums, it would be impossible, and those teams had injuries throughout the year. Because by that logic, the Heat should be on their way to 70+ wins EASY. So that argument is tired and dumb and makes meevery time I hear it.
The Cavaliers would go to #6 and ask for suggestions on what players to try and get and would ask him to help recruit free agents and he always told them NO! So what did the Cavs have to do, give away draft picks to make trades and get players in Cleveland. And what did that do? Made us not be able to draft young players to keep restocking the team, and that made the team old. He handcuffed them by not committing to Cleveland and not even really giving a hint to other players that he might stay in Cleveland. He never promoted playing in Cleveland to other players in the league. I remember we could've gotten Michael Redd or Ray Allen, and #6 wouldn't even reach out to them. Ray Allen even said that's one of the reasons he didn't end up in Cleveland. Who would wanna come play in Cleveland if #6 wasn't here when you could go play in N.Y., L.A., Miami, Boston, or some other big market or nice weather place? Who would wanna go play for ANY team, when the star player on that team won't even talk to you, let alone promote the team and city to you?
This dude himself said one of the reasons he had to get out of Cleveland was because he felt he had to do to much for the Cavs to be successful, but if you look at these past 5-6 games for the Heat, if he wasn't out there playing out of his mind, most of those games are loses, so it looks like he's going thru the same thing in Miami that he claimed was the reason he needed out of Cleveland.
And as far as the Cavs being bums. Yeah they are, but any team would terrible if 4 of your players that get significant minutes should be playing in the D-league, your starting point guard and center been out for extended periods, your back up point guard has been out, your starting power forward catches passes with his face, and your back up center is sooo much of a bum that he loses jump balls to somebody he is damn near a foot taller than.
I'll take Durant or Kobe instead of that sucka.
Go Cleveland and go Cavs
Bro, you don't even know him. How can you hate someone that you do not know. Smh..Seriously. And you are straight hating taking durant or kobe instead of "number 6" or "That sucka."
How can you hate someone who you don't really know though....
"Kobe has no heart." Game 7 against the suns or game 7 against the celtics...he also demanded to be traded when things weren't going his way. Your point? Also, look at the game after that homie in the close out game of that series.
Oh bullcrap. That's copping out. The best damn players aren't great players because they do great things in the regular season. So tired of everyone trying to back players by saying "oh his team wasn't good enough"
Dan Marino never had a soul around him to win anything with. He's a great QB, but when it comes down to the best of the best talk, he don't get invited to the party. You can mention him, but he don't get the top spot.
Mike isn't the goat because of what he did to teams in friggin December games
Magic/Bird aren't great because they lit up the Warriors alot.
Quit copping out and hiding behind "oh my God, Mo Williams sucks" We all know it's true that he does, Bron is certainly a great, but he don't get invited to the party yet til he does what those other guys did. Regardless of all that other nonsense.
4 years ago, Bron went to the finals. People praised him UP AND DOWN about it. Same time, they said Kobe got 3 rings only because of Shaq.
Today, Bron still sits at zero finals victories in his career, and Kobe now up to 5.
And now, winning is a team thing, and shouldn't matter when talking about the best of the best.
Will Bron finally get one someday? *shrugs* Maybe. Is it not possible that he could be Karl Malone as well? *shrugs* Maybe.
But the excuses are null and void from this point forward. He has his help now, let the chips fall as they may.
