OFFICIAL Ye fka "kanYe West" x G.O.O.D. Music Thread - ¥$ (AKA YE X TY DOLLA SIGN) - VULTURES 2 (NOW AVAILABLE sorta)

[Sneaker P]

What's so risky about a breakup album in the 2000s? Marvin did the same ****, except better, decades before.

The whole album isnt about a break up.

I mean, it's impactful for people that keep themselves in a strictly rap bubble. I don't think any musically sound people see this album as anything that has done anything special.

Kanye is a rapper and is in that genre sometimes in pop, so naturally country music artists aren't being impacted by 808s. An artist of a different genre may listen to 808s, but its not going to change their direction. Pop music may have been impacted, but I also consider Heartless a song that went pop and had heavy radio play on pop stations.

What is a musically sound person? Please elaborate on this.

 

[nako xl]

 

He's saying the fact that Kanye is a rapper, and to that point was only rapping, made it more of a risk. A singer singing about heartbreak isn't really anything to write home about. Kanye has an album where he's singing, pretty much exclusively, and he will never come out with an album like that again. It was a risk.

(Which is also why i'm confused about The Weeknd is being mentioned. He's a singer.)

I mean, it's impactful for people that keep themselves in a strictly rap bubble. I don't think any musically sound people see this album as anything that has done anything special.

I don't really understand what you're talking about. Don't mean that as a slight, just saying I don't get what you're saying.

 

[angels47]

I think he means that the album was impactful for people who only listen to rap; for people who listen to all types of music, it wasn't anything special.

 

[waitwut]

was impactful for hiphop culture dont marginalize da god

I UNDERSTAND CULTURE IM THE NUCLEUS

WE THE NEW ROCKSTARS AND IM THE BIGGEST ONE OF EM

 

[lovehateself]

 
IDK. While I love the production on Yeezus, the lyrics were lacking. As a result, it sounds half-***** to me. I don't think that album will catch on with many down the line.

catch on?...i think its too late for that. it got good reviews from critics, it just didnt resonate to casual listeners.

certain fans appreciated from the get, i appreciated it even more after the yeezus tour. that live atmosphere was ill. 

 

[Sneaker P]

 
I think he means that the album was impactful for people who only listen to rap; for people who listen to all types of music, it wasn't anything special.

I have to disagree. I listen to all types of music and 808s sonically was its own genre. It took pieces of rock, rap, r&b, pop, dance and was a masterpiece.

 

[Deleted member 107398]

I rank MBDTF as best album, it's a mix of the timing it came out, the tracklist, the perfect length (not too long nor short), the fact you don't gotta skip a single track on it, Ye's impeccable use of the features (eventhough pretty much every song had a feature), the rawness, re-creation of Ye as an artist since he was bouncing off of his last joint, 808s, the G.O.O.D. Friday songs that were damn good also (Christian Dior, Chain Heavy, etc)...just everything surrounding that. Even down to the packaging with the 5 covers, like who does that.

edit: Graduation being tied for first off the strength of the singles, Flashing Lights, Can't Tell me Nothing, etc 

 

[illphillip]

false

Boy stop.

This dumb **** been said on here several times and been proven wrong repeatedly.

Drake's been doing tapes since 06. Years before 808's.

And artists like Andre 3000, Cudi and several others, massive in their own right, had been on that as well.

Some of you are so focused on one artist you can't see the forest through the trees.

So I guess "ahead of it's time" is the term we use for an album no one really liked when it was out.....and that no one really checks for today either?

This dude really need to drop some new music to keep y'all occupied because y'all whylin' right now.

Oh word, so people were listening to Cudi and Drake in 08 and prior and they were getting spins and were well known by the casual listener?

He may not have necessarily inspired them, but he definitely opened up a lane for that type of music to be accepted in rap/hip hop.

Basically, yes.

Day N Nite was out well before 808's and all over the radio. Drake had "Replacement Girl" on BET in 07. Was 2 mixtapes in before 808's.

And you seem to have missed the point entirely.

Whether or not these songs/artists were well known by the casual listener has absolutely NOTHING to do with the belief some of you have that Kanye influenced these artists who were already making their music before 808's dropped.

Again, it's disturbing how many of you focus on this "influence" nonsense. Rarely is there ONE influence on anyone or anything. Which is why I mentioned several artists that could easily be considered pioneers or "influencers" to what I guess we're saying is a "sing/rap emo" sub genre of music.

And Andre did it well and did it BIG. Outkast in general with their production.

I don't disagree that Kanye contributed to it's popularity though. And when you say "He may not have necessarily inspired them", you seem to get what I'm saying.

And for the record, I liked "Amazing" and even "Paranoid". Thought "Heartless" wasn't all that and "Love Lockdown" was terrible.

Had some good records but even among Kanye West fans, it seems like 808's and Yeezus consistently rank towards the bottom of his albums.

 

[lamekilla]

Love lockdown when you're riding with 2 15's

 

[illphillip]

Drums on that record are crazy.

Whiny autotune not so much.

 

[illphillip]

What's so risky about a breakup album in the 2000s? Marvin did the same ****, except better, decades before.

Damn I forgot Marvin Gaye was a rapper

Oh, kanye was rapping on 808's? I thought it was auto-tune whining just a minute ago? Dude bit Here My Dear but in a *****y robot version.

You guys keep trying to make Ye more than who he is. He's not Prince, MJ or the Marvin of our generation. He inspired a lot of wack *** dudes to make more ****** music

Standing ovation.

 

[Deleted member 107398]

I'm kinda annoyed that Yeezus didn't have an album cover, there was one floating around with an all black background and a cartoon drawing of Ye being crucified, can someone find it for reps? that should've been the cover IMO

edit: extra reps if you find a second cover that was red, and had some drawing with protesters? screaming derogatory things at Ye

 

[Sneaker P]

Basically, yes.

Day N Nite was out well before 808's and all over the radio. Drake had "Replacement Girl" on BET in 07. Was 2 mixtapes in before 808's.

And you seem to have missed the point entirely.

Whether or not these songs/artists were well known by the casual listener has absolutely NOTHING to do with the belief some of you have that Kanye influenced these artists who were already making their music before 808's dropped.

Again, it's disturbing how many of you focus on this "influence" nonsense. Rarely is there ONE influence on anyone or anything. Which is why I mentioned several artists that could easily be considered pioneers or "influencers" to what I guess we're saying is a "sing/rap emo" sub genre of music.

And Andre did it well and did it BIG. Outkast in general with their production.

I don't disagree that Kanye contributed to it's popularity though. And when you say "He may not have necessarily inspired them", you seem to get what I'm saying.

And for the record, I liked "Amazing" and even "Paranoid". Thought "Heartless" wasn't all that and "Love Lockdown" was terrible.

Had some good records but even among Kanye West fans, it seems like 808's and Yeezus consistently rank towards the bottom of his albums.

According to wikipedia, Day N Nite was released on February 5, 2008. The crookers version didn't come out until late November/early December 2007. So it wasn't well before 808s. Replacement Girl and Drake's 2 mixtapes before 808s sounds very different to Drake from So Far Gone-present music.

Sure artists were making music before, but they weren't successful until the influence of 808s. If Drake stayed with the consistency of his first 2 mixtapes, I don't think he would've reached the same level of success.

So you're just gonna ignore artists that clearly state Kanye influenced them? I debunked your mentioned artists.

808s set off a wave of inward-looking sensitivity and emo-inspired rappers during the late 2000s.

Andre did something well in 2003, sure it was from left field, but it wasn't influencing and shifting the direction of artists like 808s. The music industry noticed the different sound, but I can't remember an artist that took that sound and created something from it. If you know an artist that was influenced sonically by The Love Below please list.

Those Kanye West fans are the same people that keep saying I want old Kanye, I want the college dropout Kanye w/ soul samples (which he gave on Yeezus, but it wasn't on every song). Old Kanye was great, but artists need to evolve and push the envelope. Kanye isn't in the same place in his life like he was on CD, LR, and Graduation.

Here's the critical acclaim of Yeezus. "Based on 146 individual year-end top ten lists compiled by Metacritic, Yeezus was the most critically acclaimed album of 2013, appearing on 61 lists and being named first on 18 of them."

This quote sum up 808s quite well: Rolling Stone  journalist Matthew Trammell asserted that the record was ahead of its time and wrote in a 2012 article, "Now that popular music has finally caught up to it, 808s & Heartbreak  has revealed itself to be Kanye’s most vulnerable work, and perhaps his most brilliant."

 

[illphillip]

Basically, yes.


Day N Nite was out well before 808's and all over the radio. Drake had "Replacement Girl" on BET in 07. Was 2 mixtapes in before 808's.


And you seem to have missed the point entirely.


Whether or not these songs/artists were well known by the casual listener has absolutely NOTHING to do with the belief some of you have that Kanye influenced these artists who were already making their music before 808's dropped.


Again, it's disturbing how many of you focus on this "influence" nonsense. Rarely is there ONE influence on anyone or anything. Which is why I mentioned several artists that could easily be considered pioneers or "influencers" to what I guess we're saying is a "sing/rap emo" sub genre of music.


And Andre did it well and did it BIG. Outkast in general with their production.


I don't disagree that Kanye contributed to it's popularity though. And when you say "He may not have necessarily inspired them", you seem to get what I'm saying.


And for the record, I liked "Amazing" and even "Paranoid". Thought "Heartless" wasn't all that and "Love Lockdown" was terrible.


Had some good records but even among Kanye West fans, it seems like 808's and Yeezus consistently rank towards the bottom of his albums.

According to wikipedia, Day N Nite was released on February 5, 2008. The crookers version didn't come out until late November/early December 2007. So it wasn't well before 808s. Replacement Girl and Drake's 2 mixtapes before 808s sounds very different to Drake from So Far Gone-present music.

at using wikipedia to try to make a point.

So Day N Nite comes out Late 07/Early 08.

808's comes out late 08.

But Kanye is a father to the style that cats like Andre and Cudi were already doing? With Day N Nite popping at radio?

Kanye influenced THEM? Not the other way around? Andre and Cudi weren't already successful? Pharrell Williams anyone?

Do you see how ridiculous what you've typed is? Please tell me you cannot be this lost.

You've debunked nothing. You've just made your thought process look even less rational. We get it, you think 808s is a masterpiece and Kanye is amazing.

But that's not changing history I'm afraid. Drake has also cited Andre as an influence. Which if you read has been my point all along. No one man "spawned" what Drake is doing when SEVERAL artists had been in that lane for quite some time.

Stop reading what's online and talk to actual human beings and you'll know how those albums were/are received. It's just another man's opinion. And if you value the opinions of "critics" that much, people who work for magazines who's job is to attract attention to sell a product, then there's no point in us trying to have an intelligent discussion on this.

As I said, even on here, the consensus is that 808's and Yeezus are by far his weakest albums. Doesn't mean there aren't any people that like them. Yeezus' shelf life was short as hell for the "album of the year".

Boy stop.

 

[meek meals]

Damn just remembered how long Drake been grinding.

He already about to be a decade in, in two or three years.​

 

[lovehateself]

 
I'm kinda annoyed that Yeezus didn't have an album cover, there was one floating around with an all black background and a cartoon drawing of Ye being crucified, can someone find it for reps? that should've been the cover IMO

edit: extra reps if you find a second cover that was red, and had some drawing with protesters? screaming derogatory things at Ye

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

post yeezus tour artwork, pretty dope

 

[jr paperstacks]

Kanye got 808's from Cudi. Drake got So Far Gone from 808's. Attaching Cudi to being influenced by 808's is just incorrect, but there's no doubt that Drake was *heavily* influenced by it.

You can go song for song on his mixtapes and not find any in that vein previous to 808s. Replacement Girl isn't even close. He had R&B guys singing all his hooks and was rapping with very little emotion or poignancy. He was a punchline rapper and really wasn't making that much noise because he wasn't super outstanding at it.

And Drake opened the door for everybody else, not Kanye. Drake became who he is due to that lane. And people copied him. If he stays with his comeback season approach, he's just another guy right now. All minimalism that took place on So Far Gone was straight from 808's. Say You Will and Love Lockdown, specifically.

 

[lamekilla]

I saw the rumored artwork for yeezus with kanye getting crucified but his head was the dropout bear instead. Super dope!

 

[tay1]

I'd have to agree with dude above. Yeezus & 808's are at the bottom of his discography. Which isn't too bad. I mean he has 4 great albums out of 6, in which 2 are considered classics, although I and a few others consider Graduation a classic as well. While 808's isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be around when it came out, it's still a mixed bag for me. And Yeezus is a mixed bag as well for a reason I mentioned earlier; The production is dope, but the lyrics were half-*****.

 

[Sneaker P]

at using wikipedia to try to make a point.

So Day N Nite comes out Late 07/Early 08.

808's comes out late 08.

But Kanye is a father to the style that cats like Andre and Cudi were already doing? With Day N Nite popping at radio? Day N Nite didn't pop on radio

Kanye influenced THEM? Not the other way around? Andre and Cudi weren't already successful?

Do you see how ridiculous what you've typed is? Please tell me you cannot be this lost.

You've debunked nothing. You've just made your thought process look even less rational. We get it, you think 808s is a masterpiece and Kanye is amazing.

But that's not changing history I'm afraid. Drake has also cited Andre as an influence. Which if you read has been my point all along. No one man "spawned" what Drake is doing when SEVERAL artists had been in that lane for quite some time.

Stop reading what's online and talk to actual human beings and you'll know how those albums were/are received. It's just another man's opinion. And if you value the opinions of "critics" that much, people who work for magazines who's job is to attract attention to sell a product, then there's no point in us trying to have an intelligent discussion on this.

As I said, even on here, the consensus is that 808's and Yeezus are by far his weakest albums. Doesn't mean there aren't any people that like them.

Boy stop.

. Thinking everything on Wikipedia is made up.

FWIW Wikipedia got that date from iTunes selling Day N Nite as a single. Day N Nite wasn't popping on radio till late 2008. Look at my my original statement and my reply to your original response. I purposely didn't mention Cudi, I clearly state he's always had his own lane.

Replacement Girl. Serious? 2007 Drake was average. Nothing was significant till So Far Gone, which as Drake said was heavily influenced by Kanye.

Andre in 2003 did not have the same affect on the music industry like Kanye did with 808s. Find one artist that credits The Love Below as an influence sonically.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound? My original comment was on Drake, the Weeknd, not Cudi or Andre. You've completely run wild with the idea Andre/The Love Below and he spawned the sounds of Drake and the Weeknd. If he didn't then please tell me who did? Thats right Kanye and 808s.

I debunked your mentions of Drake and his 2 mixtapes before So Far Gone. Why didn't his first two mixtapes catapulate his career, because they weren't extraordinary. Just catchy R&B hooks and punchlines. Comes in a Kanye thread and professing that he is just an average artist.

Changing history? Kanye/808s changed the music in the present. Stop living in the past. Drake can be influenced by a million artists, but sonically So Far Gone-present is all a reflections of 808s. Last time I checked, there wasn't a song that sounded like "Hey Ya" on any of his albums.

Several artists??? You've named two. One of which is/was affiliated with Kanye. Hilarious!

I do talk to other people and those people didn't like Kanye or where not fans of his first three albums, but once they heard 808s they had a newfound respect for him as an artist. So if an album can change people's views and opinions on artist that sounds like a masterpiece to me. I also talked to a lot of people about Yeezus and they didn't like, which is fine with me because I loved it. Usually artists make music for themselves and the fans, not for the casual fan.

Your opinion on critics is flawed. They would sell more magazines bashing Yeezus than praising it. What would standout 100 praises or the 1 negative review?

Look over all the knowledge the last few pages. Your consensus is 808s was his weakest, but the music you here dictates that it was his most influential.

Please reply again that Andre is an influencer, but you still need to prove that 808s didn't spawn drakes style. Oh wait...comeback season. Boy Stop.

 

[Deleted member 107398]

Ok guys lets move on from it...

So ya'll think we'll get a Ye album this year?

 

[andoneflip]

I think well get a new ye album in november or december

 

[Deleted member 107398]

I'm thinking black friday would be the release date

 

[Sneaker P]

@GInfante I agree.

illphillip No hard feelings. Just a conversation that won't have an end. You have your opinion and I have mine, we won't see eye to eye so its a moot point.

 

[nom de guerre]

Kanye got 808's from Cudi. Drake got So Far Gone from 808's. Attaching Cudi to being influenced by 808's is just incorrect, but there's no doubt that Drake was *heavily* influenced by it.

You can go song for song on his mixtapes and not find any in that vein previous to 808s. Replacement Girl isn't even close. He had R&B guys singing all his hooks and was rapping with very little emotion or poignancy. He was a punchline rapper and really wasn't making that much noise because he wasn't super outstanding at it.

And Drake opened the door for everybody else, not Kanye. Drake became who he is due to that lane. And people copied him. If he stays with his comeback season approach, he's just another guy right now. All minimalism that took place on So Far Gone was straight from 808's. Say You Will and Love Lockdown, specifically.

I agree with this post except for saying Cudi influenced 808's. All he did was write hooks those were Ye's melodies on that album. He always got way too much credit for 808's.