But to say it doesnt effect the black community, or effects the black population is ludicris.
Why are you selectively choosing ONLY the black community.
Um because the speaker is giving his stance on the BLACK COMMUNITY thats why. The subject topic isnt about all other races. its about blacks and the black community, so why would he touch on other races and communities when its not relevant to the topic he is discussing?
You act like we're the only ones that eat watermelon and eat chicken.
You all love to moan about how unfair your treatment is but the at the same time reinforce your separation from others.
You can't have it both ways.
It is simply due to the fact that homosexuality would decrease births, thus reducing population aka population control.
OK...thats if lesbian couples choose not to bear children or gay males dont' donate sperm.
The reproductive faculties ARE present, they're just not being used.
Ok so its a non factor so why mention it.
It is true due to the fact that with homosexuality the higher risk of aids/hiv and other life ending diseases.
False.
Being gay does not make you MORE HIV positive...its behaviors associated with HIDING being gay that puts you at a higher risk. Hiding that you're being downlow and the sensitivity of anal sex increases the risk of HIV transmission...not just being gay.
Which is currently happening. I can respect your utopian we are the world we are the children stance but the fact still remains dudes are dl, etc and thats has alot to do with social/media influences.
It is true in the sense of this metro/#%+# whatever it is called movement currently running rampid particularly in the young black community.
Rampid = Rampant
On top of that, just because you want to see everyone dress up in suits doesn't mean they will.
Get over it.
Never said i did. I just stated a fact. And it is a big influence on todays youth.
The world doesn't work the way YOU want it to.
It is true that the most prized media representations of black males are homosexuals/bi or dress up as women or wear women clothes.
So, why don't you offer more representations to counter that?
Ppl are but it still doesnt change what is going on at this present moment. Your speaking on what could happen, what ppl should do, and in essense your right, but that doesnt negate what is going on currently, which is what the speaker is addressing. He was speaking on the CURRENT ills/conditions etc of the black community.
Its not a conspiracy. Its just whats out there. Go change it then my brother.
That doesn't mean you're more Gay.
On top of that, did Adam Sandler just not do a movie where he plays his sister?
um he isnt a prominant actor in no shape of the word. let alone a major big wig example of his race. so that was a horrible example. Are you really going to sit her and say the likes of adam sandler and his prevelance/influence on the white community is up there with the prevelance/influence of a tyler perry, martin lawrence, chris rock etc of the black community?
It is true that majority of young blacks are raised by single mothers, who never had a positive male figure in their lives,
This has what to do with gays?
Because if the only perceptions they see of decent well to do males in there likeliness are not str8 or heavily homosexual influenced then..... Thats what it has to do with black prominent males that are GAY. Thats the point/message. He is only addressing issues of the black community. Again your speaking on ppl in general. Nowhere in the speaker topic does it says the ills of all races/sexual orientation. He is specifically addressing blacks, and males/boys.
This is exactly what i was saying in my last response. The subject is about current state of black males/boys. And yet again like many subjects, you swayed from the topic and start talking about all races and homosexuality of all races of ppl.
It be different, if lets say the speaker subject was about the ills of all current youths regardless of race, and it would be different if he spoke on all races that are gay. But he didnt, yet again you switched and bait the topic and made it about injustices of gays.
The topic or subject in hand has nothing to do with injustices of gays of all races. It has to do with the ills of black males/boys in its current state. And one of his sub-topics addresses the influences of social media/society and promotions over emphasizing gay black males.
therefore cant teach their kids
This has what to do with gays?
or give them an accurate depiction of said positive male father figure examples of a black male.
This has what to do with gays?
I dont think myself nor mr johnson are saying no gays in the black community=utopia.
So what are you accomplishing by targeting them?
he didnt he said it was one of the elements. he mentioned several others. its you that is targeting and over emphasizing the gay sub-topic. Again it was a sub-topic umbrella under a topic that has to deal with black males/boys current state. you have taken a sub-topic and made it appear as if it was the main focal point of his discussion and was his o.g. topic which it wasnt. Was it a facet of his argument? YES. Was it his only one? NO. But you have made it seem not only was it his main/only driving force. but also included all homosexuals and all races in general when the topic clearly is addressing blacks only.
You say you dont like the images...so are you just saying you're going to tolerant or you're going to get rid of them?
And that the many problems and issues that plague blacks will magically dissappear if homosexuality didnt exist in the black community.
So why is it being treated as a scapegoat?
Its not it is one of the many elements, and he did infact discuss the other elements. Maybe not as much. But it def. wasnt on some 80-90% kinda like you are in respects of the gay issue.
But to act as if it has absolutely no prevelance. Or act as if media/society has no input or influencing powers of promoting homosexuality in particular in respects to black males is an absurdity in itself.
Shows like Glee and all that aren't forcing people to be gay.
They're showing that gay people are normal people.
Shows like the Cosby Show weren't forcing people to be black...they were showing people that we were normal people capable of living normal lives.
I have stated many things that he has said in several topics, and have discussed and commented on many threads that deal with unfairness, discrimination, injustices of all walks of life.
Your post history doesn't matter to me.
I care about the here and now.
Right now, you're using homosexuals as a scapegoat for the ineptitude of single mothers or people to mobilize and create their own media.
All i said was and i have just noticed it that you lean to discuss issues relating to homosexuality the most.
Because homosexuality isn't the reason earthquakes happen.
Stop blaming stuff that has NO effect on what you're getting at.
Its like me blaming black people for the fall of the government in Indochina in the 60s.
Its not a diss, its a fact. If your just very very passionate about their struggles so be it.
Because I think its unfair to blame something thats completely unrelated? Yeah thats fair.
Black people have MORE rights than gays do in this country...yet you want to blame them for your kid seeing two men kiss in a movie.
But imho it comes across as if and many would also agree that when someone is ademently passionate about a certain aspect of a subject over another that it usually is relatable or hits homes in a personal way.
It doesn't hit home personally.
I dont have any gay family members.
I'm not gay.
In fact most of my immediate family is pretty homophobic.
I'm just smart enough to know that my view of the world isn't enough and that there are other perspectives out there that need just as much advocacy and legitimacy as our own.
There is no need to act like the black struggle is the ONLY struggle.
No one said it was but again you fail to realize this thread and the speakers subject matter is about blacks. So talking about asian,white etc is irrelevant in the since of the speakers subject and in the since of this thread. You are saying because we arent discussing other races/sexuality in this thread we are ignoring them. And we arent we are just focusing on the black ones because HELLO. That is what this thread is about.
It be like if there is a thread about bball and unfair wages, and someone says oh so since yall talking about bball unfair wages yall dont care about football unfair wages, or other sports unfair wages. And then go on to say oh you hate all other sports because you arent talking about them. The reason we wouldnt be talking about unfair wages in other sports, or talking about other sports in general is because the speaker/thread isnt about them. The speaker/thread is talking about a particular sport and about a particular subject of said sport thats why.
Like i said gay/not gay doesnt matter what you are to me.
So stop saying i'm gay with every post.
And if you are particularly passionate about the plight of homsexuals then cool for you.
What if I started saying that you're a scorned porch monkey for always championing black rights.
But i never called you a derrogatory name, so that would be different. But if you stated oh you seem to focus on more of the topics dealing with blacks, you must relate to blacks or maybe black yourself. Then no i wouldnt be offended because it would make sense and would be logically that you thought that of myself.
Wouldn't you be hurt?
Of course i'd NEVER say something like that, but i'm not going to delegitimize your pursuit for black rights...because those are HUMAN and CIVIL rights. They're not just for black people but ALL people.
But you make it seems as if i was comming for your head or was trying to use homosexuality as a means of belittling you or discrediting what you have to say or who you are as a individual and it wasnt.
Oh really? Whats this:
http://niketalk.yuku.com/...aker-Child-Psychologist-
LDJ wrote:
I mean when is it going to end. I mean we get it you heart gays. You are gay. Ive never heard a person with so much conviction about homosexuality and not be gay. I mean just about any and all threads that deal with social/economical/sex/race injustices, discriminations, and/or intolorances and differences you always throw in the element of homosexuality. We could be talking about differences about woman in the workplace etc by race etc... and you'll just throw in something about lesbians.
ok how is saying you love to chime in talk about gay rights and issues and majority of your threads are about defending there rights a diss exactly. And how is saying if you are gay then its whatever I really could care less is a diss? What derrogatory, or disrespectfull words was said there?
If someone said you always seem to favor black topics, and you love black ppl, you must be black. i personally wouldnt see it as a diss. So why would you sit here and say that if i state you love and always chime in on issues dealing with gays a diss/ Unless you feel being associated with gays is a diss then im really perplexed and confused about your stance on things.
Maybe i assumed and so be it.
MAYBE?! You're not even sure if you did or not?
Wow.
But ill give you this as an example. A person who is for peace and equality for all mankind.
Except gays, right?
But they spend a extra time and energy on issues that deal with animal cruelty, they spend more time at animal shelters then soup kitchens and donation drives, or peace rallies. And they were particularly upset and outspoken on the whole mike vick incident.
So that means they support bestiality or something extreme, in your eyes, right?
No that they are passionate about treatment of animals, as would anyone else. To most ppl if you extend/spend more time on a subject/cause etc then others, most ppl would tend to think you favor that subject/cause more then others. Out of the four major sports if I spent more time involving myself with football then the other 3, how would it exactly be absurd for someone to think i favor football over the other 3? And why would that mean because I favor football over the other 3 equate that I hate the other 3?
It wouldnt be a diss or a crazy outlandish assumption to think that this person has a pinpoint particular interest in the injustices of animals, nor would it be absurd to think maybe they have this extra interest in animal rights because it affects/affected them in a personal way.
You don't have to go through something to identify with something
um yes you do. how exactly for example can you emphatize with the lost of a child if you never had children? .How can you emphatize with someone who lost there mom if yours still living? Could you symphathize for them sure. But to emphatize you have to have felt/expereinced it.
Again, sheer ignorance.
Its not ignorance, if someone addresses or spend more time doing one activity and/or speaking addressing a subject as oppose to others then yes that is a sign of favoritism. I have a 360/wii/ps3. i spend 60% of my gaming on my 360. Based on that stat how would it be ignorant if someone says you favor spending video game time on your 360 as oppose to the other 2 game systems? That is what favoritism is.
Stop making assumptions and you won't run into this problem you have with speaking and not thinking.
DCAllAmerican wrote:
I agree with keeping this about Umar and not homosexual vs. Black rights and who has it worse, etc. The same old conversation. Please take that discussion else where. I respect your opinions Silly but let us stay on topic please.
DC, look, I respect a lot of what you post from time to time, but no idea, thought, or belief is FREE from criticism.
If he said a bunch of stuff I agreed with, i'd have kept it at that...
but he didn't.
And you can't have a conversation without a degree of criticism.
Was your point for all of us to fall in line lock step with his ideology or to at least process his different points and move from there?
I agreed with most of what he said EXCEPT about homosexuality.
This guy is the type to invest in his own pseudoscientific theorizes he makes up at the dinner table while resting on the actual research he had to do to get those letters after his name. Hes abusing the respect he gained from his profession by way of investigative assertions and making substantiated claims.
