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:lol @ Trillary being unqualified.

Yall dudes be redefining words before you post.

Why you talking crap about Obama, the President of the United States?

Are you unpatriotic and do you HATE America?

Why don't you LEAVE this country if you don't like how Obama governs.

Get OUT ===============>>>

Unlike the rest of you, I understand that President'and come and go. We just gotta suffer through. It's the Democratic process. The foundation of America.
Get this anti-American bull **** rhetoric outta here.

Trying to **** on democracy on the low. The Democratic process has never provided this country an incompetent leader.

u wanna think that over b? :lol
 
this started from something Nike Jordan said. keep up.

and I'm still waiting for that gop platform about minorities.

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:lol You're just messing with me now, just making up random numbers. That's funny.

This thread often feels like I'm Trebek stuck in a Celebrity Jeopardy skit.

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Predictions for the immigration speech tonight? I honestly don't know what to expect dude and his cronies have been all over the place the last 2 weeks.

But I'll take a guess...

-We're going to build a wall, but Mexico may not pay for it after all
-We're going to get rid of violent criminals, but the rest of the undocumented immigrants will be taken care of at a later time, still working out the kinks on how to do that in a humane manner since my original timeline of getting all estimated 11 million out in two years is completely asinine
-I love Hispanics, see look at that one over there
-Believe me x1000
 
da real elephant in da room is fixing legal immigration...it shouldn't take 1000 years on line to become nationalized of get a visa...
 
Just curious EddieDoyers EddieDoyers , what are you looking for in a president? Big question, I know, but I mean what kind of changes do you want to see in the country?
There's a lot I can cover, but I will focus on economics and financial disparity.
For instance, I would like a president who actually cares about the middle class. The Bush Tax Cuts only resulted in the wealthy getting more rich and did not improve anything for the rest of us. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/02/the-legacy-of-the-bush-tax-cuts-in-four-chart

Obama's middle class economics only benefit taxpayers with a kid http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/economy/obama-middle-class-economics/
And the universal healthcare law isn't all that cracked up
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/opinion/atlas-obamacare-poor-middle-class/

And Trump and Clinton won't help either

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-offers-almost-nothing-for-the-middle-class/
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-middle-class

Without a solid middle class, this will result in a weaker economy in the long run
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...e-inequality-and-the-strength-of-our-economy/

That would be the first thing I want to change in America, the weakening of the middle class.

-You claim to want moderates but moderates are the ones that took out the one the best thing in the ACA for the middle class, the public option. And the reason the ACA has so many problem is that it is not being well funded and maintained by Congress.

-You want to help the middle class or make it stronger the single payer will do that, a more progressive tax system will do that, expansionary monetary will do that, a jobs program will do that, refinancing student loan debt will do that, subsidized high education and job training will do that, universal pre-K will do that, mostly having a robust social safety net will do that.

Moderates are not the ones fighting for these things, progressives are.

-You say you hate lobbyist, but after Citizens United the problem has gotten worst, the Justice Hillary or Trump chooses will probably one day be the deciding vote on if the situation gets better, or worst. That matters, that alone to me is a reason to vote

Also you seem to making the fatal era of assuming that Presidents get everything they want done. Bush had a much more cooperative Congress than Obama had. Most of the programs that Obama suggested were dead on arrival because the GOP feel in line and rode the Tea Party wave. Even when Obama was willing to go against his party and cut a Grand Bargain, a moderate deal, it was the right that freaked out the most.The democrats have also been much more flexible, most because of so many moderates being in the party.

You want to see real change, then a President needs a true Super Majority, or the Senate has to finally use the full nuclear option. Otherwise you get half measures, weak compromises, and governing only when forced too.

Both parties need work of course, their needs to be compromise of course, but some policies are better than other and it is a false equivalent to argue that Democrats and Republicans behave just the same.

It is easy to complain, but it is harder to research why and decide what needs to be done. You say you want to strengthen the middle class, but strangely you don't list how you want this done.

Demand side social democracy built the middle class in this country, neoliberalism eroded it. So I can't believe that it we want to save it we need more moderation (which will likely come in the form of more neoliberal policies).

We need social democracy

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I don't believe for one on second, given Congress, that Clinton will be this unbelievable president that saves the day.

But if she gets a liberal super majority, then I have some faith that ole girl could put in work.

So I will do everything I can to see that happen.
You said you wanted social democracy, did you vote for Bernie? Just wondering, because I can agree on that concept by theory, but I have no faith in Hillary to do such in my opinion.
To be fair, I never had much faith in the political process. I can't trust a government that has used crack to infect the black community, given away weapons to Mexican cartels, funneled taxpayer money to terrorist groups, and other well documented corruption. And I will be honest, I can't really offer a solution for that, because I'm in no power to end such a thing. I love America still though, but I can't say the same about the politics.
This will probably be my last post in thread anyway so peace to Rusty, Noskey, Rico, and Ninja. Stay safe.
 
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giving one party super majority is a terrible idea.

soon as i saw obama reach for that cap & trade it forever changed my view of him & da Democrats.

US government got built it stops so one side dont become all seein all being.
 
With the way things are trending Dems are likely to take back the Senate while Republicans will still be in control of the House. But with HRC running the executive branch and the liberal justice she'll appoint, we're getting closer. Some actual work may be able to get done. 
 
I'd guess most of us in here not hellbent on making America trash again voted for Sanders. Shame he lost, but Hillary's still damn close to his platform, special interests or not.
 
giving one party super majority is a terrible idea.

soon as i saw obama reach for that cap & trade it forever changed my view of him & da Democrats.

US government got built it stops so one side dont become all seein all being.

You do know the cap and trade was once championed by Republicans?

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...d-trade-legislation-was-originally-republica/

I distinctly remember @Essential1 telling your this repeatedly during the last election too.
 
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Predictions for the immigration speech tonight?

No more Muslim ban

No more wall

Deport criminals here illegally

Executive orders to refrain from deporting law-abiding illegals whom are longtime residents with jobs and children, obtain a high-school diploma, pay taxes and stay out of prison.

Basically... nothing new and just keep the Obama's immigration policy going! :lol
 
I'm cool with the Senate changing its filibuster rule, drop the discriminatory voter ID bs, and we get rid of gerrymandered districts
 
giving one party super majority is a terrible idea.

soon as i saw obama reach for that cap & trade it forever changed my view of him & da Democrats.

US government got built it stops so one side dont become all seein all being.

You do know the cap and trade was once championed by Republicans?

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...d-trade-legislation-was-originally-republica/

I distinctly remember @Essential1 telling your this repeatedly during the last election too.

doesn't mean its any less of a Terrible idea.

and when that legislation was drafted, things like hydro fraction drilling didn't exist.

we got waaaaay more oil now.
 
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Predictions for the immigration speech tonight?

No more Muslim ban

No more wall

Deport criminals here illegally

Executive orders to refrain from deporting law-abiding illegals whom are longtime residents with jobs and children, obtain a high-school diploma, pay taxes and stay out of prison.

Basically... nothing new and just keep the Obama's immigration policy going! :lol

Then call Obama a weak president and a failure two days later.
 
giving one party super majority is a terrible idea.

soon as i saw obama reach for that cap & trade it forever changed my view of him & da Democrats.

US government got built it stops so one side dont become all seein all being.

You do know the cap and trade was once championed by Republicans?

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...d-trade-legislation-was-originally-republica/

I distinctly remember @Essential1 telling your this repeatedly during the last election too.

doesn't mean its any less of a Terrible idea.

and when that legislation was drafted, things like hydro fraction drilling didn't exist.

we got waaaaay more oil now.

First off to clear up a couple things, a couple basic things:

-Hydraulic fracking has existed for decades. It was new techniques applied to shale that made gas extraction by way of fracking so economical

-Fracking doesn't extract crude oil, its extracts natural gas.

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-Cap and trade and carbon taxes are not only for environmental reason. The problem with our tax system is that taxes are often very easily to avoid, and companies distort their behavior to avoid them. Carbon taxes are more efficient way of taxation. I have other problem with them, especially because the "free market:" types could easily game the system to great barriers to entire.

Sometimes I champion them way harder than I should, but it not just for crazy environmental reason people like them. And it weird that someone believes in technology advancements will drive expansion, but have no faith in the market to beat carbon taxes or cap and trade.

Guess I'm just more of a economic patriot :smokin :lol

-You want to tax something when it is plentiful, cheap, and widely used. That is a good time to throw on a new tax.

------------------Another thing I here a lot and it BS, Obama's regulations are not is what is killing coal. Natural gas what is hurting it, upping the fracking will just hurt it some more.
 
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Would've definitely preferred Bernie from my point of view. Hillary is actually quite strongly disliked here as well. Not nearly as much as Trump but still a sizeable amount. Haven't really encountered much negativity towards Bernie other than concerns about his age.
 
:rollin :rollin Drumpf really didn't discuss who was going to pay for the wall? And now is evolving on the trade agreements as well (NAFTA). This con is something else. 
Usually a con gets revealed for what it is after the conartist has succeeded but since he's losing in polls and the reality that he'll lose in an embarassing fashion has him scrambling trying to distance himself from the rep and labels he's earned and established without alienating his base.

The exposure is about to be real :lol Another hack or not talking with the media or talk about Trill Hill's health won't help.

:lol @ Trillary being unqualified.

Yall dudes be redefining words before you post.

Why you talking crap about Obama, the President of the United States?

Are you unpatriotic and do you HATE America?

Why don't you LEAVE this country if you don't like how Obama governs.

Get OUT ===============>>>

Unlike the rest of you, I understand that President'and come and go. We just gotta suffer through. It's the Democratic process. The foundation of America.
Get this anti-American bull **** rhetoric outta here.

Trying to **** on democracy on the low. The Democratic process has never provided this country an incompetent leader.

u wanna think that over b? :lol
It's going over ya head aint it?

:lol :{

Then a few posts later you'll talk about how you were using a metaphor as a joke or not serious about something.
 
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u know ur posed' to italicized sarcasm...

Everyone picked up on it besides you.

He was clearly mocking you and Rico's nationalist nonsense in the Kaep thread

nah, if u gotta explain comedy u already failed :lol [emoji]128078[/emoji]

But everyone got it but you. :lol

u know ur posed' to italicized sarcasm...

Everyone picked up on it besides you.

He was clearly mocking you and Rico's nationalist nonsense in the Kaep thread

In that same thread he was calling people Drax (GoTG) for not laughing at his Hogan post :lol

who hasn't heard da campy "i am i real American" chorus though...? :lol

And look who is explaining a joke now :lol
 
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