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Trump is clearly better than both Obama & Hillary at running a large business & being a executive
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Since when?

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vs da US being 20 trillion in debt? 8o

Which Trump would add to greatly way more than Clinton, or Obama did, every economist says this. It is fact

And Obama didn't put this country in 20 trillion in debt by himself. Supply side tax cuts, pointless never ending wars, and a massive recession (and spending needed to recover) did.

Bush pissed away a debt free future, not Obama

And btw, didn't deficits and the national debt explode under your mans Reagan 8o, and come down under Hillary's husband (the dude you love to talk slick about :lol)
 
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I wish Obama was far left.

another thing that tickles me to death here...

da far left is just as dangerous as da far right.(Psssst..... Nordic Countries aren't classified as far left countries..Nations such as Venezuela, and Cuban are.)

You still this ****, moving the goal post twice one comment,

So far left can't be in an American sense (Sanders), can't be in a Euro sense (Nordic Countries) it has to be the worst examples of socialist countries.

homeboy said far left...he didn't put in a qualifer...care to flesh out how bad going total far left can be sir?
 
He's an outsider Rusty, he will shake things up.

Yes he will bring about the sustained over 15% GDP growth that only newly industrialize countries see, and short term deflation that will lower the cost of living, and be easy to get out of.

Trumponomics bout to rewrite every economics textbook outchea :smokin
 
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I wish Obama was far left.

another thing that tickles me to death here...

da far left is just as dangerous as da far right.(Psssst..... Nordic Countries aren't classified as far left countries..Nations such as Venezuela, and Cuban are.)

You still this ****, moving the goal post twice one comment,

So far left can't be in an American sense (Sanders), can't be in a Euro sense (Nordic Countries) it has to be the worst examples of socialist countries.

homeboy said far left...he didn't put in a qualifer...care to flesh out how bad going total far left can be sir?

So that was you queue to build a strawman? Most people would probably guess that dude meant in an American sense

Yes going totally far left can be bad. However, absolutely no one in here, or the DNC, is asking for that.
 
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It's like they refuse the shades of grey. It's all black or white. Nothing in between.
 
Except that's exactly what he's advocating. He's not thinking of an American sense. He's pushing for a candidate that pushes for European Style socialism. He's said it many times. But keep on spinning his rhetoric for him.

But I am glad you admitted there's a negative downside to it.
 
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Except that's exactly what he's advocating. He's not thinking of an American sense. He's pushing for a candidate that pushes for European Style socialism. He's said it many times. But keep on spinning his rhetoric for him.

But I am glad you admitted there's a negative downside to it.
so you are saying that he was advocating for a nordic type government and not Venezuela/Cuba like ninja was saying?
 
Just curious EddieDoyers EddieDoyers , what are you looking for in a president? Big question, I know, but I mean what kind of changes do you want to see in the country?
There's a lot I can cover, but I will focus on economics and financial disparity.
For instance, I would like a president who actually cares about the middle class. The Bush Tax Cuts only resulted in the wealthy getting more rich and did not improve anything for the rest of us. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/02/the-legacy-of-the-bush-tax-cuts-in-four-chart

Obama's middle class economics only benefit taxpayers with a kid http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/economy/obama-middle-class-economics/
And the universal healthcare law isn't all that cracked up
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/opinion/atlas-obamacare-poor-middle-class/

And Trump and Clinton won't help either

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-offers-almost-nothing-for-the-middle-class/
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-middle-class

Without a solid middle class, this will result in a weaker economy in the long run
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...e-inequality-and-the-strength-of-our-economy/

That would be the first thing I want to change in America, the weakening of the middle class.
 
Also the big corp lobbyists have profited off the expense of the citizens
I would like to see the elimination of such but that will never happen
 
Just curious EddieDoyers EddieDoyers , what are you looking for in a president? Big question, I know, but I mean what kind of changes do you want to see in the country?
There's a lot I can cover, but I will focus on economics and financial disparity.
For instance, I would like a president who actually cares about the middle class. The Bush Tax Cuts only resulted in the wealthy getting more rich and did not improve anything for the rest of us. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/02/the-legacy-of-the-bush-tax-cuts-in-four-chart

Obama's middle class economics only benefit taxpayers with a kid http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/economy/obama-middle-class-economics/
And the universal healthcare law isn't all that cracked up
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/opinion/atlas-obamacare-poor-middle-class/

And Trump and Clinton won't help either

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-offers-almost-nothing-for-the-middle-class/
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-middle-class

Without a solid middle class, this will result in a weaker economy in the long run
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...e-inequality-and-the-strength-of-our-economy/

That would be the first thing I want to change in America, the weakening of the middle class.

-You claim to want moderates but moderates are the ones that took out the one the best thing in the ACA for the middle class, the public option. And the reason the ACA has so many problem is that it is not being well funded and maintained by Congress.

-You want to help the middle class or make it stronger the single payer will do that, a more progressive tax system will do that, expansionary monetary will do that, a jobs program will do that, refinancing student loan debt will do that, subsidized high education and job training will do that, universal pre-K will do that, mostly having a robust social safety net will do that.

Moderates are not the ones fighting for these things, progressives are.

-You say you hate lobbyist, but after Citizens United the problem has gotten worst, the Justice Hillary or Trump chooses will probably one day be the deciding vote on if the situation gets better, or worst. That matters, that alone to me is a reason to vote

Also you seem to making the fatal era of assuming that Presidents get everything they want done. Bush had a much more cooperative Congress than Obama had. Most of the programs that Obama suggested were dead on arrival because the GOP feel in line and rode the Tea Party wave. Even when Obama was willing to go against his party and cut a Grand Bargain, a moderate deal, it was the right that freaked out the most.The democrats have also been much more flexible, most because of so many moderates being in the party.

You want to see real change, then a President needs a true Super Majority, or the Senate has to finally use the full nuclear option. Otherwise you get half measures, weak compromises, and governing only when forced too.

Both parties need work of course, their needs to be compromise of course, but some policies are better than other and it is a false equivalent to argue that Democrats and Republicans behave just the same.

It is easy to complain, but it is harder to research why and decide what needs to be done. You say you want to strengthen the middle class, but strangely you don't list how you want this done.

Demand side social democracy built the middle class in this country, neoliberalism eroded it. So I can't believe that it we want to save it we need more moderation (which will likely come in the form of more neoliberal policies).

We need social democracy

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I don't believe for one on second, given Congress, that Clinton will be this unbelievable president that saves the day.

But if she gets a liberal super majority, then I have some faith that ole girl could put in work.

So I will do everything I can to see that happen.
 
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How I imagine Trump meeting Mexico's President... please please please help me with the Mexican American Voters.. they hate me!

Trump is definitely not an Alpha... cowering to a Mexican President like this! How pathetic! :lol
 
this started from something Nike Jordan said. keep up.

and I'm still waiting for that gop platform about minorities.

Pages 26-34

No it does not, you are lying

Here is a link to the document, show us yourself:

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

Not only that, the word minority appears only 3 times in the document. One talking about the DC City Council, One talking about the Asian Pacific, and once talking about minority home ownership being bad, so that mean the federal government should remove itself from the market. A housing market that is known to be discriminatory

The words/phrases "African American", "Latino" and "Hispanic" never appear.
 
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:lol @ Trillary being unqualified.

Yall dudes be redefining words before you post.

Why you talking crap about Obama, the President of the United States?

Are you unpatriotic and do you HATE America?

Why don't you LEAVE this country if you don't like how Obama governs.

Get OUT ===============>>>

Unlike the rest of you, I understand that President'and come and go. We just gotta suffer through. It's the Democratic process. The foundation of America.
Get this anti-American bull **** rhetoric outta here.

Trying to **** on democracy on the low. The Democratic process has never provided this country an incompetent leader.
 
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Drumpf really didn't discuss who was going to pay for the wall? And now is evolving on the trade agreements as well (NAFTA). This con is something else. 
 
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:rollin :rollin Drumpf really didn't discuss who was going to pay for the wall? And now is evolving on the trade agreements as well (NAFTA). This con is something else. 

where's da evolution? he's said he wanted better trade deals and "he gonna look over all of them and negotiate em better or walk away" for pretty much da entire time.
 
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