***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

Here are some questions I asked that you did not address: What are the reasons that New York was hit so hard early on in the pandemic? How have they been able to reduce the number of cases?

I answered a while back, but population, the unknown, medical resources and failure to comply with guidance are all factors that I think played a role.

The reduction I'd imagine is from closing things down, easing access to medical resources and having stricter guidelines.

That being said, I think that Deblasio and Cuomo did okay overall considering.

 

[RustyShackleford]

All things consider Cuomo, and Deblasio both handled the Covid-19 situation poorly. De Blasio worse than Cuomo. But I go back and forth on this.

The things is with those dudes they tried to correct their earlier screw ups

Trump has been trash from the jump, the worst of the bunch, and continues to be trash. So many additional people have died because of his poor leadership.

 

[mplsdunk]

I don’t condone his response to Corona, his racism, his tweets, his sexual harassment, his diet, his tax fraud, his draft dodging, his authoritarianism, his hate for the constitution or constant lying.

...but I got a $1000 grant. MAGA

 

[Upptempo]

Non-rhythmic White kids about to be big mad if republicans get tiktok shut down

 

[dwalk31]

I don't condone the 1994 Crime bill, his at times seemingly racist remarks, votes to gut welfare, gaffes, support for the war on drugs, alleged sexual harassment, use of tax loopholes, allegiance to Wall Street, lack of military experience, shaming of Anita Hill or mass incarceration

. . . but anyone but Trump

 

[storm2006]

Non-rhythmic White kids about to be big mad if republicans get tiktok shut down

This is selfish and poor parenting. Nestor’s friends are going to cancel him if his “dad” messes with their access to TikTok

 

[boris]

I answered a while back, but population, the unknown, medical resources and failure to comply with guidance are all factors that I think played a role.

The reduction I'd imagine is from closing things down and having stricter guidelines.

That being said, I think that Deblasio and Cuomo did okay overall considering.

Great! So then you should understand why your focus on NY/NJ is ridiculous.

NY unfortunately probably got hit the hardest due to being a hub for international travel and having a high population density. Trump's travel ban only focused on Chinese nationals, so it did very little to prevent the virus from coming here and spreading. The administration also had no plans to quarantine travelers. Trump's FDA and CDC botched testing early on which made it difficult to contain the virus.

Your focus on NY/NJ doesn't make much sense to me since they were already flattening their curves around when the CDC recommended wearing masks. It makes more sense to focus on Trump's refusal to wear a mask and failure to urge people to do so after the CDC issued its recommendation. It is undeniable that if everyone wore masks after the CDC issued its recommendation, there would be fewer cases and deaths. Trump and the GOP have done little to enforce this.

It's not like we are too far gone at this point. If everyone started wearing masks now cases and deaths would decline. Therefore, it makes no sense for Trump not to urge people to do this, and it makes sense for the states seeing surges to implement stricter guidelines.

Instead, Trump is pushing forward with reopening. The logical conclusion here is that Trump and the GOP simply do not give a **** about people. This is the guy you support and defend.

 

[addict4sneakers]

The data collection on tiktok is disgusting so I heard

 

[hipstermike]

That’s probably the only thing I agree with the GOP on is TikTok is bad

 

[mplsdunk]

Trump has soooooo much military experience. I can’t wait until this Russia putting hits out on the military HOAX is over. Trump needs to get back to his military excellence and RESPECTING OUR TROOPS as he always does.

I can’t wait until he sends some drone strikes to China to show them who the Tik Tok boss really is.

we also need to get back to locking more kids in cages, speaking of mass incarceration. especially with the corona hoax. Maybe more can die in us custody.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I don't condone the 1994 Crime bill, his at times seemingly racist remarks, votes to gut welfare, gaffes, support for the war on drugs, alleged sexual harassment, use of tax loopholes, allegiance to Wall Street, lack of military experience, shaming of Anita Hill or mass incarceration

. . . but anyone but Trump

Brah, you have no idea how ******* stupid this attempted clap-back makes your look

-Trump supported tough on Crime policies, even harsher ones than Biden

-Trump has spewed way more racist remarks than Biden

-Biden has tons of votes and instances of supporting expanding the social safety net. His platform expands it. Trump wants to opposite.

-Trump supported the war on drugs. He appointed an Attorney General than wanted to destroy the positive steps Obama and Holden made in that area

-Trump has like two dozens more accusation of sexual assault than Biden

-You really bringing up tax holes when it comes to Biden. Trump openly brags about how his fortune is based around gaming them. Biden pushed to close loopholes as VP, Trump protected them as President.

-Allegiance to Wall St. , again in comparison to Trump, Biden is light work, Trump pushes for financial deregulation. Biden proposes more regulations

-Lack of military experience Did Joe lie about bone spurs to too?

-Anita Hill **** he was wrong, and **** him for that, but he did apologize to her. Please cite an example of Trump apologizing to a woman he has said or done vile things too?

-Joe Biden didn't cause mass incarceration. No matter how much you reach he can't prove that. His policy proposal actually would do more to reverse it than Trump.

Most important Biden's platform is way more progressive and he will nominate progressive judges to the courts. So as problematic as he is, he is not anywhere close to Trump

A Biden voter is no where as morally bankrupt, hypocritical, self loathing, and racist as you.

Nice try though

 

[dwalk31]

Great! So then you should understand why your focus on NY/NJ is ridiculous.

NY unfortunately probably got hit the hardest due to being a hub for international travel and having a high population density. Trump's travel ban only focused on Chinese nationals, so it did very little to prevent the virus from coming here and spreading. The administration also had no plans to quarantine travelers. Trump's FDA and CDC botched testing early on which made it difficult to contain the virus.

Your focus on NY/NJ doesn't make much sense to me since they were already flattening their curves around when the CDC recommended wearing masks. It makes more sense to focus on Trump's refusal to wear a mask and failure to urge people to do so after the CDC issued its recommendation. It is undeniable that if everyone wore masks after the CDC issued its recommendation, there would be fewer cases and deaths. Trump and the GOP have done little to enforce this.

It's not like we are too far gone at this point. If everyone started wearing masks now cases and deaths would decline. Therefore, it makes no sense for Trump not to urge people to do this, and it makes sense for the states seeing surges to implement stricter guidelines.

Instead, Trump is pushing forward with reopening. The logical conclusion here is that Trump and the GOP simply do not give a **** about people. This is the guy you support and defend.

The vast majority of the deaths happened prior to the CDC making that recommendation.

The majority of the deaths are still occurring in states where trump does not enjoy widespread support (NY, NJ, CA, etc.)

I don't think a Trump push to wear masks would change much more than the CDCs recommendation in the states that are having the majority of deaths.

California and Florida are having major spikes right now. I think it is likely due to people going to the beaches as that is something they have in common.

I do agree with you that he should do more in terms of pushing people to wear masks and social distance. I think that is really your main point. But to act like he is a direct cause for the majority of coronavirus cases based on a lack of pushing for masks and social distancing just doesn't follow with the data we have.

 

[Upptempo]

Everyone knows the Crime Bill from 94 was trash, and that Biden was a bum for passing the bill. But a TON of republicans supported the bill at the time. Biden actually worked directly with Republicans on the bill prior to Clinton taking office, including ol' rooster face Mitch McConnell.


Also, that garbage Crime Bill called for a large hiring surge of law enforcement because more cops=less crime, the same way 1/100th is a measure of time. So when republicans bash the Crime Bill then suck off Police and refuse the idea of reducing the force, it's contradictory.

 

[dwalk31]

Brah, you have no idea how ****ing stupid this attempted clap-back makes your look

-Trump supported tough on Crime policies, even harsher ones than Biden

-Trump has spewed way more racist remarks than Biden

-Biden has tons of votes and instances of supporting expanding the social safety net. His platform expands it. Trump wants to opposite.

-Trump supported the war on drugs. He appointed an Attorney General than wanted to destroy the positive steps Obama and Holden made in that area

-Trump has like two dozens more accusation of sexual assault than Biden

-You really bringing up tax holes when it comes to Biden. Trump openly brags about how his fortune is based around gaming them. Biden pushed to close loopholes as VP, Trump protected them as President.

-Allegiance to Wall St. , again in comparison to Trump, Biden is light work, Trump pushes for financial deregulation. Biden proposes more regulations

-Lack of military experience Did Joe lie about bone spurs to too?

-Anits Hill he was wrong for an apologized to her. Please cite an example of Trump apologizing to a woman he has said or done vile things too?

-Joe Biden didn't cause mass incarceration. No matter how much you reach he can't prove thant.

Most important Biden's platform is way more progressive and he will nominate progressive judges to the courts. So as problematic as he is, he is not anywhere close to Trump

A Biden voter is no where as morally bankrupt, hypocritical, self loathing, and racist as you.

Nice try though

You made my point.

Your defense is--well look at Trump's record. Not, well that didn't happen.

Really making an argument that your candidate "spews way more racist remarks." Do you hear yourself?

Biden has been a politician for 40 years.

Trump has been a politician for 4.

The impact that Biden has had on politics in America in 40 years is far different than Trump in 4. And one could make an argument that Trump has been a catalyst for change (even if it wasn't his aim).

Biden having great policy proposals now does not erase the terrible policy proposals he had for 4 decades.

Nice try though.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Everyone knows the Crime Bill from 94 was trash, and that Biden was a bum for passing the bill. But a TON of republicans supported the bill at the time. Biden actually worked directly with Republicans on the bill prior to Clinton taking office, including ol' rooster face Mitch McConnell.


Also, that garbage Crime Bill called for a large hiring surge of law enforcement because more cops=less crime, the same way 1/100th is a measure of time. So when republicans bash the Crime Bill then suck off Police and refuse the idea of reducing the force, it's contradictory.

The GOP was against the final version of the bill because they thought it was soft on crime.

 

[dwalk31]

Gloss over szn

 

[RustyShackleford]

You made my point.

Your defense is--well look at Trump's record. Not, well that didn't happen.

Really making an argument that your candidate "spews way more racist remarks." Do you hear yourself?

Biden has been a politician for 40 years.

Trump has been a politician for 4.

The impact that Biden has had on politics in America in 40 years is far different than Trump in 4. And one could make an argument that Trump has been a catalyst for change (even if it wasn't his aim).

Biden having great policy proposals now does not erase the terrible policy proposals he had for 4 decades.

Nice try though.

My point is Biden is better.

You can call out stuff he has done, but at the end of the day in 2020 Joe Biden is a much better on policy, much less problematic, and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less racist. Also, the Democratic Party in 2020 would not aide Biden in doing anything remotely has regressive as some of the stuff in his past. Hell Biden changed his positions on **** well before Trump ran for the presidency for the second time.

Trump right now is spewing racist rhetoric, and the GOP is backing his play.

You want to handwave Trump's worse behavior, yet you can't point to how his policy agenda is better than Biden's, can't even comprehend economics enough to debate that, don't want to go point for point to compare the two, all to draw some false equivalency that you think makes everyone as vile and morally bankrupt as a person as you.

But no one is going to buy it.

 

[mplsdunk]

Oh we had some change alright... riots, death, loss of jobs.

all a direct result of trump. all in four years.

 

[junglejim]

Did this guy really just say he doesn’t defend welfare cuts when he spent the last two months championing them?

 

[boris]

The vast majority of the deaths happened prior to the CDC making that recommendation.

The majority of the deaths are still occurring in states where trump does not enjoy widespread support (NY, NJ, CA, etc.)

I don't think a Trump push to wear masks would change much more than the CDCs recommendation in the states that are having the majority of deaths.

California and Florida are having major spikes right now. I think it is likely due to people going to the beaches as that is something they have in common.

I do agree with you that he should do more in terms of pushing people to wear masks and social distance. I think that is really your main point. But to act like he is a direct cause for the majority of coronavirus cases based on a lack of pushing for masks and social distancing just doesn't follow with the data we have.

Hopefully we can agree that more deaths after that CDC recommendation is still not good.

Something like 30% of CA voted for Trump in 2016. That's still a high percentage, but I guess not high enough to care?

You don't think Trump pressuring governors would do anything? That doesn't make sense. Trump could easily turn the GOP against DeSantis. There are still huge spikes in Florida, Texas, Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania, and all of these states voted for Trump.

Instead of trying to do whatever he can to stop the spread of coronavirus, he's actually just pushing forward with a reopening that will result in more cases. You've basically made excuses to deflect from the fact that he has done nothing.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Did this guy really just say he doesn’t defend welfare cuts when he spent the last two months championing them?

Delk's plan was to not make himself look like he hates black people, by making a complete fool of himself.

 

[mplsdunk]

Just term limits. Which isn’t a cut at all...

6 months on welfare is more than enough time to pull yourself up by your boot straps and support your family working 90 hours a week with no benefits at amazon.

 

[boris]

Did this guy really just say he doesn’t defend welfare cuts when he spent the last two months championing them?

It's not a welfare cut if you just hope and pray that funding comes from somewhere else.

 

[RustyShackleford]

It's not a welfare cut if you just hope and pray that funding comes from somewhere else.

Yep, cause it will be quite easy to distribute billions of dollars, to over a million families, through private donations coming from numerous sources (that could be anywhere from thousands to millions of people), proportional to the amount of need for each person. The infrastructure to make the happen every month, year after year, I am sure is quite simple to build. Oh, I am sure that these private donors will have a way to still donate at adequate rates through recessions.

But a dude that scams the government for $1000 says it can be done, so let us just cut everyone off and give it a try. What do we have to lose.

This is the level of bad faith foolishness dude wants us to respect.

 

[DLF]

Only good thing republicans have suggested is getting rid of a social media app. I hate social media