***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rexanglorum]

AOC is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, an absolute queen and a treasure.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

Happy late 4th of July .

 

[rexanglorum]

Happy late 4th of July .

On the West Coast the Party is just getting started, king.

 

[ICE CITY CF]

Kanye can only get on the ballot in two states at this point. The deadlines to file have passed in all the others.

I just looked it up, Delaware and Louisiana.

It's far more states than that, no? The table below is from ballotpedia.org.

Spoiler: Independent candidate ballot access requirements, 2020

	State	Signatures required	Signature formula	Filing fee	Filing fee formula	Filing deadline	Notes
	Alabama	5,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/20/2020
	Alaska	3,212	1% of voters who cast a ballot for president in last election	N/A	N/A	8/5/2020
	Arizona	Pending	3% of registered voters in the state	N/A	N/A	9/4/2020	Precise signature total available after 1/2/2020.
	Arkansas	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	California	196,964	1% of the total number of registered voters in the state	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	Colorado	5,000	Fixed	$1,000.00	Fixed	7/9/2020 (qualifying by petition) 8/5/2020 (qualifying by fee)
	Connecticut	5,250	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	Delaware	7,141	1% of the total number of registered voters in the state	N/A	N/A	9/1/2020
	Florida	132,781	1% of registered electors	N/A	N/A	7/15/2020
	Georgia					8/14/2020
	Hawaii	4,377	1% of voters who cast a ballot for president in last election	N/A	N/A	8/5/2020
	Idaho	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/25/2020
	Illinois	Pending	10% of original requirement (by court order)	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	Indiana	44,935	2% of the total votes cast for secretary of state in the last general election	N/A	N/A	6/30/2020
	Iowa	1,500	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/14/2020
	Kansas	5,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	Kentucky	5,000	Fixed	$500.00	Fixed	9/4/2020
	Louisiana	5,000	Fixed (at least 500 signatures from each congressional district)	$500.00	Fixed	8/21/2020	Candidates can obtain ballot placement either by submitting a petition or paying the requisite filing fee.
	Maine	4,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	6/1/2020
	Maryland	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	Massachusetts	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/25/2020
	Michigan	30,000	30,000, with at least 100 signatures from each of at least half of the state's congressional districts	N/A	N/A	7/16/2020
	Minnesota	2,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/18/2020
	Mississippi	1,000	Fixed	$2,500.00	Fixed	9/4/2020
	Missouri	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	7/27/2020
	Montana	5,000	5% of all votes cast for the successful candidate for governor at the last general election, or 5,000, whichever is less	N/A	N/A	8/19/2020
	Nebraska	2,500	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/1/2020
	Nevada	9,608	1% of the total number of votes cast for all representatives in Congress in the last election	$250.00	Fixed	8/14/2020
	New Hampshire	3,000	Fixed	$250.00	Fixed	9/2/2020
	New Jersey
	New Mexico	16,251	2% of the total number of votes cast for president in each congressional district in the last election	N/A	N/A	6/25/2020
	New York	45,000	500 signatures (or 1% of enrolled voters, whichever is less) from at least one-half of the state's congressional districts	N/A	N/A	5/26/2020
	North Carolina	70,665	1.5% of the total number of votes cast for governor in the last general election	N/A	N/A	3/3/2020
	North Dakota	4,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/31/2020
	Ohio	5,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/5/2020
	Oklahoma	35,592	3% of the total number of votes cast for governor in the last general election	$35,000.00	$5,000 per each presidential elector	7/15/2020	Filing fee may be paid in lieu of filing petition signatures.
	Oregon	20,014	1% of all votes cast for president in the last election	N/A	N/A	8/11/2020	An independent candidate may also gain access by the nomination of an assembly. This assembly must be attended by at least 1,000 voters; the gathering must occur at one place in less than 12 hours. The signatures of the attendees must be filed with the secretary of state no later than 70 days before the general election.
	Pennsylvania	5,000	Fixed	$200.00	Fixed	8/3/2020
	Rhode Island	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	Pending
	South Carolina	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	7/15/2020
	South Dakota	3,392	1% of the total number of votes cast for governor in the last general election	N/A	N/A	8/4/2020
	Tennessee	275	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/20/2020
	Texas	89,693	Statutory formula	N/A	N/A	5/11/2020
	Utah	1,000	Fixed	$500.00	Fixed	8/17/2020
	Vermont	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	Virginia	5,000	Fixed; at least 200 signatures from each of Virginia's congressional districts	N/A	N/A	8/21/2020
	Washington	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	West Virginia	7,144	1% of all votes cast for president in the last election	$2,500.00	Fixed	7/31/2020
	Wisconsin	2,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/4/2020
	Wyoming	4,025	2% of all votes cast for U.S. Representative in the last election	$200.00	Fixed	8/25/2020

If Kanye were able to get on the ballot in a handful of states, some people are worried that he'd syphon votes away from Biden.

I'd like to think that any chicken head Kanye/Kardashian fans who would actually vote for a Kanye ticket wouldn't have been involved in the process otherwise, so not a net loss for Biden.

But I would be a little concerned about Kanye pulling said chicken heads into the process, only to drop out late and then encourage them to vote for Trump.

 

[RustyShackleford]

It's far more states than that, no? The table below is from ballotpedia.org.

Spoiler: Independent candidate ballot access requirements, 2020

State	Signatures required	Signature formula	Filing fee	Filing fee formula	Filing deadline	Notes
	Alabama	5,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/20/2020
	Alaska	3,212	1% of voters who cast a ballot for president in last election	N/A	N/A	8/5/2020
	Arizona	Pending	3% of registered voters in the state	N/A	N/A	9/4/2020	Precise signature total available after 1/2/2020.
	Arkansas	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	California	196,964	1% of the total number of registered voters in the state	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	Colorado	5,000	Fixed	$1,000.00	Fixed	7/9/2020 (qualifying by petition) 8/5/2020 (qualifying by fee)
	Connecticut	5,250	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	Delaware	7,141	1% of the total number of registered voters in the state	N/A	N/A	9/1/2020
	Florida	132,781	1% of registered electors	N/A	N/A	7/15/2020
	Georgia					8/14/2020
	Hawaii	4,377	1% of voters who cast a ballot for president in last election	N/A	N/A	8/5/2020
	Idaho	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/25/2020
	Illinois	Pending	10% of original requirement (by court order)	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	Indiana	44,935	2% of the total votes cast for secretary of state in the last general election	N/A	N/A	6/30/2020
	Iowa	1,500	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/14/2020
	Kansas	5,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	Kentucky	5,000	Fixed	$500.00	Fixed	9/4/2020
	Louisiana	5,000	Fixed (at least 500 signatures from each congressional district)	$500.00	Fixed	8/21/2020	Candidates can obtain ballot placement either by submitting a petition or paying the requisite filing fee.
	Maine	4,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	6/1/2020
	Maryland	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	Massachusetts	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/25/2020
	Michigan	30,000	30,000, with at least 100 signatures from each of at least half of the state's congressional districts	N/A	N/A	7/16/2020
	Minnesota	2,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/18/2020
	Mississippi	1,000	Fixed	$2,500.00	Fixed	9/4/2020
	Missouri	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	7/27/2020
	Montana	5,000	5% of all votes cast for the successful candidate for governor at the last general election, or 5,000, whichever is less	N/A	N/A	8/19/2020
	Nebraska	2,500	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/1/2020
	Nevada	9,608	1% of the total number of votes cast for all representatives in Congress in the last election	$250.00	Fixed	8/14/2020
	New Hampshire	3,000	Fixed	$250.00	Fixed	9/2/2020
	New Jersey
	New Mexico	16,251	2% of the total number of votes cast for president in each congressional district in the last election	N/A	N/A	6/25/2020
	New York	45,000	500 signatures (or 1% of enrolled voters, whichever is less) from at least one-half of the state's congressional districts	N/A	N/A	5/26/2020
	North Carolina	70,665	1.5% of the total number of votes cast for governor in the last general election	N/A	N/A	3/3/2020
	North Dakota	4,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/31/2020
	Ohio	5,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/5/2020
	Oklahoma	35,592	3% of the total number of votes cast for governor in the last general election	$35,000.00	$5,000 per each presidential elector	7/15/2020	Filing fee may be paid in lieu of filing petition signatures.
	Oregon	20,014	1% of all votes cast for president in the last election	N/A	N/A	8/11/2020	An independent candidate may also gain access by the nomination of an assembly. This assembly must be attended by at least 1,000 voters; the gathering must occur at one place in less than 12 hours. The signatures of the attendees must be filed with the secretary of state no later than 70 days before the general election.
	Pennsylvania	5,000	Fixed	$200.00	Fixed	8/3/2020
	Rhode Island	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	Pending
	South Carolina	10,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	7/15/2020
	South Dakota	3,392	1% of the total number of votes cast for governor in the last general election	N/A	N/A	8/4/2020
	Tennessee	275	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/20/2020
	Texas	89,693	Statutory formula	N/A	N/A	5/11/2020
	Utah	1,000	Fixed	$500.00	Fixed	8/17/2020
	Vermont	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/3/2020
	Virginia	5,000	Fixed; at least 200 signatures from each of Virginia's congressional districts	N/A	N/A	8/21/2020
	Washington	1,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/7/2020
	West Virginia	7,144	1% of all votes cast for president in the last election	$2,500.00	Fixed	7/31/2020
	Wisconsin	2,000	Fixed	N/A	N/A	8/4/2020
	Wyoming	4,025	2% of all votes cast for U.S. Representative in the last election	$200.00	Fixed	8/25/2020

If Kanye were able to get on the ballot in a handful of states, some people are worried that he'd syphon votes away from Biden.

I'd like to think that any chicken head Kanye/Kardashian fans who would actually vote for a Kanye ticket wouldn't have been involved in the process otherwise, so not a net loss for Biden.

But I would be a little concerned about Kanye pulling said chicken heads into the process, only to drop out late and then encourage them to vote for Trump.

Didn't know independents have more time.

Either way, I don't think Kanye on the ballot is a threat to Biden at all.

 

[friscostylez]

West 2020

 

[rexanglorum]

Didn't know independents have more time.

Either way, I don't think Kanye on the ballot is a threat to Biden at all.

I know why you think that’ll be the case, I agree and the only question is if those Kanye voters will be looking for strawberry or honey butter?

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[clyde the glide]

But I digest

 

[uncalled4boy]

Lolwut

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

dwalk31 just another “accident”

 

[gry60]

 

[plansb]

******* goddamn cops showed up at my house last night talking about I can’t light off mortars and asking me all these personal questions. What the **** has happened to our country, I get really concerned about our freedoms when I can’t even light some fireworks. seems like the libs got to the cops too.

 

[brownsuga1]

A bit of a side note from politics in our country. I wrote an article on the genocide occurring at the hands of the Chinese government against Uyghur people. Think it's important for people to know. Please read and share if you'd like, thanks.

Instagram --> https://www.instagram.com/unbiased_opinions_/

Article --> https://www.unbiasedopinions.net/post/genocide-at-the-hands-of-the-chinese-government

 

[gry60]

Where's Delk? We might need his Southern expertise on the matter below:

IN 1957, as Congress was debating the first Civil Rights Act since Reconstruction, Buckley penned an op-ed that scrubbed away the euphemisms to get straight to the heart of the matter.

“Let us speak frankly,” Buckley wrote in the editorial, titled “Why The South Must Prevail.”

“The South does not want to deprive the Negro of a vote for the sake of depriving him of the vote,” he goes on. “In some parts of the South, the White community merely intends to prevail — that is all. It means to prevail on any issue on which there is corporate disagreement between Negro and White. The White community will take whatever measures are necessary to make certain that it has its way.”

Buckley is the founder of the National Review.

Edit: and there's more!

Buckley goes on to weigh whether such a position is kosher from a sophisticated, conservative perspective. “The central question that emerges,” he writes, “is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically?” His answer is clear:

The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the median cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists. The question, as far as the White community is concerned, is whether the claims of civilization supersede those of universal suffrage. The British believe they do, and acted accordingly, in Kenya, where the choice was dramatically one between civilization and barbarism, and elsewhere; the South, where the conflict is by no means dramatic, as in Kenya, nevertheless perceives important qualitative differences between its culture and the Negroes’, and intends to assert its own. NATIONAL REVIEW believes that the South’s premises are correct. If the majority wills what is socially atavistic, then to thwart the majority may be, though undemocratic, enlightened. It is more important for any community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority.

Having justified denying the vote to blacks in the South as “enlightened,” Buckley then grapples with the proper level of violence needed to sustain the “civilized standards” he is intent on upholding.

Sometimes it becomes impossible to assert the will of a minority, in which case it must give way, and the society will regress; sometimes the numerical minority cannot prevail except by violence: then it must determine whether the prevalence of its will is worth the terrible price of violence.

National Review Is Trying to Rewrite Its Own Racist History

The magazine invested extraordinary amounts of time and resources into building an intellectual edifice for segregation.

theintercept.com

 

[whywesteppin]

****ing goddamn cops showed up at my house last night talking about I can’t light off mortars and asking me all these personal questions. What the **** has happened to our country, I get really concerned about our freedoms when I can’t even light some fireworks. seems like the libs got to the cops too.

What the flip? I thought this was America! I'm sorry, I guess we can't be patriots anymore? Geeeeeeez.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[getback]

So is Kanye trying to siphon votes from Biden? What's the play here?

Kinda reminds me of how Carcetti did Tony Gray.

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

The Kanye entry, if serious, changes the dynamic dramatically

 

[RustyShackleford]

The Kanye entry, if serious, changes the dynamic dramatically

Bubs back at it again

 

[mplsdunk]

You voting for “slavery was a choice” Kanye delk?