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THIS IS GOOD NEWS. Radiation kills coronavirus.
Now I'm sure all you libbies feel STOOPID wearing your masks.
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Yea, I don’t agree with this at all.Racism itself doesn't explain phenomena like poverty, joblessness, police violence, incarceration, etc.
Well, yea. Because we have been set back by 400 years of oppression by race. These class warfare arguments tend to leave out the unique history of oppression faced by Black people in this country. As a skeptical Black person, I wouldn’t be crazy to argue that even a class based approach at solving this wouldn’t once again benefit other people more than Black people.And even this is a vast oversimplification, since the logic of capitalist social reproduction means that even if all racism were to magically disappear tomorrow, the vast majority of poor black folks would still be poor next year, ten years from now, and when they die.
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Racism operates within the parameters of a particular political economy and social order, not outside of it. That is the point of my first statement that you quoted. I'm not sure how this could be in dispute, but I'm open to hearing if you have different thoughts.Yea, I don’t agree with this at all.
Well, yea. Because we have been set back by 400 years of oppression by race. These class warfare arguments tend to leave out the unique history of oppression faced by Black people in this country. As a skeptical Black person, I wouldn’t be crazy to argue that even a class based approach at solving this wouldn’t once again benefit other people more than Black people.
You are so full of ****, no one has come close to doing that to you. Especially not me.
I swear you have become a special combination of ****ery, petulance, and white fragility in recent months
Taking issue with **** that people simply do not do.
Years I have engaged and explained my views, and for years I have been greeted with the arguments of the most ****ty centrist being put at my feet to somehow answer for. So god forbid I would want a break from that nonsense.
So ****ing spare me.
Wooosigh
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Some black Republicans are reaching their breaking point before Delk.
Wooosigh
Because racism would still exist? These issues are too deeply intertwined two believe that solely a class based approach would benefit Black people in the same way that they would benefit whites.I'm not sure how enacting that kind of policy agenda would benefit other people more than black people, when prevailing disparities would clearly indicate that black folks would be clearly among the disproportionate beneficiaries of those policies. But again, if you have other thoughts, I'm open to hearing them.
Other defenders of HitlerWho's doing research for his campaign?
report the tweet. least we can do.Am I over thinking this or is it extremely dangerous for the President to tweet out a Wanted poster of generic looking, ambiguous black male wearing a mask? Any black person near there will be accosted on some “The criminal always comes back to the scene of the crime!” steez. That needs to be taken down immediately.
So because "racism would still exist," living wages, guaranteed employment, universal health care, etc. are basically irrelevant to black people? Or what are you saying here?Because racism would still exist? These issues are too deeply intertwined two believe that solely a class based approach would benefit Black people in the same way that they would benefit whites.
Any argument that starts “if racism were to stop today” is wholly dismissive of the history and ongoing oppression that Black people have faced in this country. Yes, if racism stopped today, Black people would still suffer more because they would be starting the game on first base as white people round third and head home, and even poor whites would be on second base. Even looking at the “PMC”, as Rex loves to talk about, the Black people of this class accumulate less wealth and live in MUCH poorer area codes than white counterparts. Why? Racism.
Any solution that doesn’t involve specifically targeting Black people as being uniquely situated from other people based on the history of this country is tone deaf and a non-starter to me.
This is all I will say:No, I don't know Klein's work. My post was a response to what was in that specific article and a response to the discourse of identity politics more broadly.
Like I said, though, my point wasn't that I think you agree with what I see as the political limitations inherent in the identity politics framework (I said this explicitly). My point was that I think you're defending a framework that is problematic and, quite frankly, doesn't reflect what I know to be your own political values and vision. (It seems the same could be said for Klein.) Not only that, you're making broad and inaccurate assumptions about and bashing anyone who dares to question that framework.
If you have some radically different interpretation of identity politics that you care to share, again, I'm all ears.
Just want to clarify where I'm coming from.
Pretty obvious the WH is lying here. Fox News also independently confirmed that the intelligence was delivered to the WH earlier this spring.
No, what I’m saying is even given all these things, racism will STILL leave Black people in this country worst off than others. And if we aren’t having the conversation that this alone will not result in equality, then you’re still missing a critical component of it. Race neutral ideology doesn’t is not radical and will not benefit Black people to the extent that it will benefit poor whites.So because "racism would still exist," living wages, guaranteed employment, universal health care, etc. are basically irrelevant to black people? Or what are you saying here?
Well, reparations for one. But otherwise addressing the racism in the fabric of every institution. Everyone gets equal education and Black kids will still be penalized more with suspensions, etc. Universal healthcare and Black people will still receive worse treatment, and doctors will assume that we have a higher pain tolerance. Employers will still discriminate against us disproportionately. The list goes on.And what would a solution that specifically targeting black people actually entail? Because if you read the Movement for Black Lives' A Vision for Black Lives policy manifesto, maybe a handful of the fifty or so policies they propose would benefit only black people. ****, given demographic realities, most of them may not even benefit black people primarily in sheer numerical terms.