***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[IATT]

 

[Based Jesus]

They probably subtracted 50 from his actual weight and went with it. Thought no one would notice 50 missing pounds

 

[whywesteppin]

this dude is at minimum 300

I have to agree with you guys.

Muscle is dense and with that much muscle he probably weighs 50000000 pounds.

 

[hipstermike]

Was just about to post that IATT

 

[Belgium]

 

[rexanglorum]

It's very cool to see so many people protesting the firing of Jason Whitlock.

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Dude talks like he’s on Twitter.

 

[rolaholic]

ok Jim

What a time...

 

[Wargames]

 

[Methodical Management]

- The comparison of Marxists to Muslims is not that far off, survailed, caricatured and murdered by right wing and liberal governments and generally seen by capital as in the way of what capital wants. To be clear, I'm not at all saying you are Islamophobic.

- I don't see you expressing frustration in this thread with anything liberals do or failed to do. I know you're busy and not as active in the thread as much as I am. Still, you do participate and in the Trump years, you've expressed disdain for neo nazis, Trump, left wing podcasters and Marxists. Since everyone has an ideology (including and especially those who say they don't have an ideology) so by process of elimination all I can guess is liberal, that or "grill pilled." (and ideology which, I must admit, looks pretty enticing)

- Understanding politics requires reading between the lines. When most of what you say about Marxism revolves around how callous it is towards people suffering the effects of white supremacy, it's hard to conclude that you think that that's your general view of Marxism and that intersectional Marxists are the exception, the handful of good ones. What's left unsaid often times matter as much or more than what is said. Every time I criticize the vast deficiencies of the Democratic Party and don't explicitly qualify it with "yes, I'' vote for Biden in November" I get the business about how much worse Trump is.

- In times of trouble, liberals frequently team up with the right wing to crush the left and there are a whole lot of troubles right now.

- Inclusivity has its limits, liberals exclude black conservatives and reactionaries all the time and rightly so. It's hard to be convinced that anti-racist praxis involves taking on an economically more conservative position than you already have. Again, that's not just Marxists who do that. Liberals dismiss PoC who claim that across the board deregulation will foment 18% GDP growth and solve every problem that befalls PoC currently.

- I do encounter people who are class first and some are dg in but many are easily persuaded to change their minds when I explain that intersectional Marxism is definitely not rainbow capitalism and that they should read Marxists of color. It doesn't work every time but I've found that misguided Marxists are easier to convince, when it comes to embracing anti racism, anti sexism etc, than white liberals.

-America has a hell of a lot white people and a lot of poor people. It's easier to get poor whites into left politics by telling them that growing up poor was not their fault nor the fault of their parents. After that, you got to make clear that their struggle to liberate themselves from the tyranny of capitalism involves supporting fellow workers, who are not white, and including their struggle into your praxis. Some will balk at that but it's a better tactic than telling people, who grew up without hot and cold running water, that they are privileged because they can rent any apartment in any neighborhood they want.

- I am weary of any ideology that includes capitalism precisely because capital will always be a threat to other types of liberation. Capital will give ground and will put on a mask of social liberalism but capital wants to take away all the gains won by women and PoC. Capital wants and needs a white proletariat, who can be bought off with a public and psychological wage. Capital wants women's low wage labor and their unwaged reproductive labor. Capital wants a racialized and criminalized underclass that it can hyper exploit.

It's true that ripping out capitalism, root and stem, won't ensure that every type of liberation will happen but it make those things more likely than they are now and that liberation is much more likely to last.


TLDR: The struggle against capitalism is so intertwined with the struggle against white supremacy and patriarchy that anyone who wants to seperate them is wrong.

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With all that said, you changed my mind and I don't think you and the other critics of Marxism, right here in this thread, are "rainbow capitalists." I read too much between the lines sometimes and for that I'm sorry to both you and @RustyShackleford

Unless you're defending class reductionism, you aren't disagreeing with anything I've actually said. That you've felt it necessary to recommend Intersectional Marxism (and the mere existence of Intersectional Marxism and Black Marxism) only underscores my point.

Key distinction: if you posted all of that without @'ing me, I wouldn't have considered it a personal affront. What's the PETA-recommended alternative to "a hit dog will holler?" A dropped pear will bruise?


I appreciate the apology. I hope that the next time you want to shadow box, you'll leave me out of it.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Tom Cotton - the name screams racist

 

[rexanglorum]

We know what they really mean by elites.

Also, McKinsey, now where have we all heard that name before?

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Not sure if poster but ain’t no dambs given by Ben & Jerry’s

(Still an L tho on those dunks tho )

 

[Based Jesus]

The faux anti-elitism of Tucker Swanson Carlson, heir to the Swanson frozen foods fortune, who grew up in California and went to a liberal arts college

 

[frank 7he t4nk]

Wish more companies came out with an equally powerful statement.

They won me over as life long supporter.... but I'm still hurt I didn't cop those dunks on SNKRS.

Not sure if poster but ain’t no dambs given by Ben & Jerry’s

(Still an L tho on those dunks tho )

 

[stuntman mike]

(Still an L tho on those dunks tho )

i had about 30 co-workers enter a local raffle with me and nada
i enjoyed reading their statement though and i really liked what mattis said here:

 

[Based Jesus]

Jesus ******* christ

 

[Methodical Management]

Right, and I'm guessing he was only "leak testing" his underwear at the time, too.

 

[gry60]

Trump planning to leave the G7 over a spat involving the exclusion of Russia? Is that possible?

He knows

 

[whywesteppin]

Right, and I'm guessing he was only "leak testing" his underwear at the time, too.

underwear? he wears diapers, Meth.

 

[rexanglorum]

Unless you're defending class reductionism, you aren't disagreeing with anything I've actually said. That you've felt it necessary to recommend Intersectional Marxism (and the mere existence of Intersectional Marxism and Black Marxism) only underscores my point.

Key distinction: if you posted all of that without @'ing me, I wouldn't have considered it a personal affront. What's the PETA-recommended alternative to "a hit dog will holler?" A dropped pear will bruise?


I appreciate the apology. I hope that the next time you want to shadow box, you'll leave me out of it.

I addressed what is left unsaid. It seems like your default position is that Marxists are complicit in white supremacy unless proven otherwise.

While I do apologize for saying that you accused me of being a class reductionist, I do not apologize for defending my community, writ large.

 

[Mark Antony]

Bruh why the hell people keep trying to translate for a man that's older than all of us and in charge of the country?

 

[Armada]

Not sure if poster but ain’t no dambs given by Ben & Jerry’s

(Still an L tho on those dunks tho )

The NT approved fit of the resistance is complete

 

[swendro]

wish they would’ve done one of those propaganda videos for the bunker inspection