***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

For you claim something is the middle of a large population, your range has to include a measure of central tendency. Either the mean or more appropriately for household income, the median.

The median household income in the US is in the low 60s. The mean is in the high 80s.

DWalk said "Great question. I am talking about policies that help middle class black people. Specifically household incomes between 150k-350k."

How the hell does that range be considered the middle when it doesn't include the middle of the income distribution.

I know he is just trying to win the argument by arguing semantics, but anyone with even the most basic understanding of econ, accounting, stats, or highschool school math, knows this is bull****.

I did not mention median household incomes. I don't think 150k-350k is at or near the median household income in the US.

I said middle class black families. And then I mentioned a specific income range. Because middle class is a broad term. If you are a black family with a household income of 150k-350k you are a middle class black family. Upper middle class, sure, but middle class.

 

[junglejim]

That article also listed upper middle class. I always defer to you on matters of the economy, do you think a household income of 150k-350k is not considered a portion middle class?

I know you tend to want to pick a side, but I think you know I'm right on this one.

To be considered in the top 5% of richest people in the US you have to make over $299K in income. What about top 5% screams "middle of america" to you? The top 10% of americans make about 120K or more a year. What about top 10% screams "middle of america" to you. You can't honestly be this ******* daft.

Someone who makes 30K a year pays taxes at approximately 2% on an effective rate basis after standard deduction and a highest marginal rate of 10%. Someone who makes 350K pays taxes at about 25% on an effective rate basis and 35% of their highest marginal income.

Like if the IRS defines someone making $350K a year as one of the highest wage earners in the US, then why the **** would they be considered middle class. Jesus christ

 

[Wargames]

All I got out of this entire argument was the fact that dwalk31 thinks people in the middle class make $150-$350k

Tricks on him there isn’t a middle class anymore. Just the haves and the working poor.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I did not mention median household incomes. I don't think 150k-350k is at or near the median household income in the US.

I said middle class black families. And then I mentioned a specific income range. Because middle class is a broad term. If you are a black family with a household income of 150k-350k you are a middle class black family. Upper middle class, sure, but middle class.

See what I mean.

Here comes the semantics

 

[dwalk31]

To be considered in the top 5% of richest people in the US you have to make over $299K in income. What about top 5% screams "middle of america" to you? The top 10% of americans make about 120K or more a year. What about top 10% screams "middle of america" to you. You can't honestly be this ****ing daft.

I didn't say anything about "middle of America." I said middle class family. You can have a household income of 150-350k and be a middle class family. Your article conceded the point.

 

[RustyShackleford]

junglejim just let this argument die.

He already look stupid. But he wants to keep going down this rabbit hole to take attention off of other subjects

Like his hatred for black people.

 

[dwalk31]

See what I mean.

Here comes the semantics

The person playing semantics is the person who laughed at my assertion that a 150k-350k household income is middle class. Then posted an article that showed as much.

Now Im playing semantics because Im technically right and y'all want to point to median US incomes and percentages that don't refute my assertion.

Do better.

 

[plansb]

Dwalks ruffled this morning.

 

[RustyShackleford]

The person playing semantics is the person who laughed at my assertion that a 150k-350k household income is middle class. Then posted an article that showed as much.

Now Im playing semantics because Im technically right and y'all want to point to median US incomes and percentages that don't refute my assertion.

Do better.

You are not right. I spelled out how wrong you were.

You hate black people just as much as you don't understand statistics

Stop acting like trash, for once.

 

[junglejim]

I didn't say anything about "middle of America." I said middle class family. You can have a household income of 150-350k and be a middle class family. Your article conceded the point.

No, middle class is by definition where the majority of american's wages fall into which is the 50K-99K income category. That's why its a separate class. The upper middle class (often also referred to as upper class) is the top 10 percent, then above that is rich which is typically the top 5 percent. The income you have listed is in the top 5 percent of americans. Its not even remotely close to middle class.

Let me put it this way. Is someone making $575 a week on a gross basis in the same class as someone making $6,730 a week on a gross basis? Because that is what you are ******* saying. This is easily one of the dumbest arguments you have ever made.

 

[plansb]

Dwalk is trash though. He will never change. A greedy pig who only cares about his $$$$$$$. Anything else he says is just a distraction from that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Dwalks ruffled this morning.

The bank probably didn't approve his loan application again

Mans outchea chasing rental properties like they are dragon balls.

 

[dwalk31]

You are not right. I spelled out how wrong you were.

You hate black people just as much as you don't understand statistics

Stop acting like trash, for once.

Even President Obama said that middle class was household incomes below 250k. So he's wrong too?

You just say anything.

If junglejim said that middle class was 150k-350k and I said it was 50k-100k you woulda been in here exclaiming how wrong I am.

It's okay, I understand.

 

[junglejim]

Even President Obama said that middle class was household incomes below 250k. So he's wrong too?

You just say anything.

If junglejim said that middle class was 150k-350k and I said it was 50k-100k you woulda been in here exclaiming how wrong I am.

It's okay, I understand.

I wouldn't say the middle class is 150K-350K because that is ******* stupid and wrong.

Its funny you used Obama, who created a separate net investment income tax to pay for Obamacare, defined rich as $250K His entire campaign was to tax the rich to pay for Obamacare and he even set that bar at $250K and above.

 

[dwalk31]

Let me put it this way. Is someone making $575 a week on a gross basis in the same class as someone making $6,730 a week on a gross basis? Because that is what you are ****ing saying. This is easily one of the dumbest arguments you have ever made.

No.

Middle class is a broad term. That is why I specified the income level that I was talking about within the middle class.

Do you think there are no different divisions within the middle class?

Like RustyShackleford said let the argument go. To say upper middle class isn't middle class is already silly.

No point in going further down the rabbit hole

 

[dwalk31]

I wouldn't say the middle class is 150K-350K because that is ****ing stupid and wrong.

Its funny you used Obama, who created a separate net investment income tax to pay for Obamacare, defined rich as $250K His entire campaign was to tax the rich to pay for Obamacare and he even set that bar at $250K and above.

What was under 250k?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Even President Obama said that middle class was household incomes below 250k. So he's wrong too?

You just say anything. If junglejim said that middle class was 150k-350k and I said it was 50k-100k you woulda been in here exclaiming how wrong I am.

It's okay, I understand.

You realize that comment is different from yours

If you said something true, I would concede it was true.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh poor Dwalk, now I am being unfair to you.

Are you really accusing me of intentionally taking the opposite side of the argument just to be adversarial. Well isn't this the pot calling the kettle Domincanon

I gonna keep having common sense, and you can keep whining about it.

 

[junglejim]

What was under 250k?

A notch below the highest marginal tax rate. You may have a disability that needs to be checked out.

Imagine trying to hard to identify with your own people that you have to make up stories that you are in the same income class as the working/middle class.

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

too much word tennis in here...let´s all come together and appreciate something:

75 years ago on this date...have you told a Nazi to suck it today?

 

[junglejim]

Its been 3 months since we have gotten a jobs report that was posted monthly like clockwork. This is kind of weird.

 

[junglejim]

"ThIs Is WhY I vOte FoR TrUmP"

 

[dacomeup]

Does he really not understand that middle class and upper middle class are two distinctly different groups? This is Ninja-esque.

 

[plansb]

Ninja math

 

[dwalk31]

Does he really not understand that middle class and upper middle class are two distinctly different groups? This is Ninja-esque.

The upper middle class is a division of the middle class.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This perfectly sums up the Trump adminstration handling of this. Acting like they are helping for publicity. But really doing nothing,