***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Barrack Obama had to put in work for the black vote.

Yet people expect black people to just fall in line behind Bernie.

And when they didn't, it was no one else's fault except black people.

Everyone even hinting at that can miss me with that ********

 

[the red model]

What was Hillary Clinton's message to black people?

I missed it, honestly.

 

[RustyShackleford]

When I have time to tonight, I be happy to break down how much bull **** this is.

rusty - when hill wins, and goes two terms...prepare yourself to be upset by the end of it

Why?

Hillary Clinton is not my savior, and l'm not expecting miracles

She will flip the Supreme Court. That is something we can all trust her to do.

If progressive wants action for Hillary, let's do our best to give her a supermajority come 2020. But instead, I'm sure many will sit home and complain that the reason that the country is not progressing like they like is because Bernie Sanders isn't President. Is all of nothing attitude really holds back the progressive movement in this country.

Just think of what this country would look like if Obama had his supermajority all 8 years.

 

[RustyShackleford]

What was Hillary Clinton's message to black people?

I missed it, honestly.

To tear down the systemic forces holding back the community.

And I'm not joking, or saying it as a defense for her.

If you go look at her speeches and her comments during debates. That was basically her messaging.

 

[dathbgboy]

Yeah I don't really agree it is that simple.

And I find it weird that some black people will raise hell one white people and conservatives make blanket assessments of what black people need to do to overcome systemic racism

But then do the same thing whenever they're on the fringe of an issue. And the wider black community is not in agreement.

The being scene with Sharpton isn't really true IMO, because if so anyone could do it. The black community as a whole tend to be more pragmatic, and need to trust the candidate.

When it comes to campaigning, Hillary and Bill put in decades of work, Bernie was scrambling from the jump.

And as a base, black people have to vote. We can talk about money all day, but it is a fact that the groups that vote consistently get better results. Probably the main reason the GOP tried so hard to block Obama, because him being a success could have lead to black voters turning out in force constantly. And the GOP knows it can't answer to black voters and sws at the same time

Black people vote consistently, especially when no forces are barring them from doing so (voter ID laws), but we tend to vote w/ nothing backing it or to get the candidate to keep their word. The Latino communities and LGBT(think they've added some more letters) put money up in some way,shape, or form and things happen for them and their agendas get pushed.

Long story short, in this political era, we have to put money up to get things going our way.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Have you ever considered though that the end game for the black community is much bigger than that of other groups.

That's why you see some progress done in other areas, and not on "black issues". And conservatives attack policies aimed at helping the black community the hardest.

Like again, the major issue in the community is criminal justice reform. If Obama had the votes, that would have been done.

Obama care in its original form, would have been a massive wealth transfer to the black community. Hell most programs helping the poor will.

But consveratives make gains in this area by voting in midterms.

I'm not against pooling resources for political clout, or policy aimed at black Americans.

But the foundation should be voting constantly and supporting a socially Democratic platform. That will give the community the food it needs to make the bigger jump.

 

[northoaklandfc]

Wrong thread

 

[rolaholic]

 

[blco02]

I agree with Hillary on something finally.

 

[dathbgboy]

Have you ever considered though that the end game for the black community is much bigger than that of other groups.

That's why you see some progress done in other areas, and not on "black issues". And conservatives attack policies aimed at helping the black community the hardest.

Like again, the major issue in the community is criminal justice reform. If Obama had the votes, that would have been done.

Obama care in its original form, would have been a massive wealth transfer to the black community. Hell most programs helping the poor will.

But consveratives make gains in this area by voting in midterms.

I'm not against pooling resources for political clout, or policy aimed at black Americans.

But the foundation should be voting constantly and supporting a socially Democratic platform. That will give the community the food it needs to make the bigger jump.

But what incentive do the candidates have to make moves that benefit the black community when we give the vote willingly on a pretty promise? One thing I've learned about people is that, when they don't have money in it, when things don't work out, it's not much of an issue compared to when they have money vested. We've been consistently voting a socially Democratic platform since JFK.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

I agree with Hillary on something finally.

SWS Donald Trump Youtube page.

 

[green rhino123]

I agree with Hillary on something finally.

i guess the clip is from 2006 tho...

 

[ninjahood]

I agree with Hillary on something finally.

SWS Donald Trump Youtube page.

i guess Hillary is a racist too then

 

[rico x hood]

Of course, however, black people tend to do the same thing over and over the same way and expect different results. We see what we need to do in order to get a candidate to do things for us and not just minorities as a whole, and yet we don't do it because they prance around and having meetings w/ Al Sharpton.

Bingo. That's why there's never any progress. How can you expect to wield ANY political power if your vote is never in play? Blacks are the most predictable voting bloc in this country, it's disgusting. And based on what I know about the needs of my people Bernie would have been the one that got the majority of the vote. But no, the Clintons already had that vote in bag from way back in the 90s and everybody knew it.

 

[green rhino123]

i guess Hillary is a racist too then

she flip flopped on dat b

she turn over new leaf b

 

[blco02]

i guess Hillary is a racist too then

Bernie and Hillary are the og racists.

 

[Belgium]

Being against illegal immigration =/= racist.

Calling them rapists and terrible people, "I assume some of them are good people though" however is a blanket bigoted generalization.

 

[rico x hood]

So who's going to be the VP noms? Think Trump goes for Christie, no idea who Hilldawg goes for. Would be epic to snag Warren to appease Sanders fans.

Christie will NEVER be VP. You the south and "heartland" will stomach a ticket with to Northeastern Republicans? Hell no. Trump needs a tried and true conservative to balance that ticket.

Warren will never get it. White men can't stomach a all female ticket.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Being against illegal immigration =/= racist.
Calling them rapists and terrible people, "I assume some of them are good people though" however is a blanket bigoted generalization.

Agreed.
Funny thing is that more and more of the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico are actually Chinese folks.
LA Times did a story on that this week

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Something that I think Republicans, conservatives and many Democrats will never understand, they think racism is purely a political football.

For black and brown people it isn't.



Black and brown people can listen to the candidates, parties and figure who working for and against their interests.



That's why "you know who the real racists are?!!" arguments that a few NTer's continue to engage in are a waste of time.

 

[rico x hood]

I'm pretty sick of this characterization of the black voters.


Black voters are notoriously pragmatic and risk averse. (as they should be)

They aren't casting votes for long shots.

Hillary Clinton was tied with Barack Obama in January 08 in the black vote polling, black people didn't just jump aboard.


So this white dude from Vermont appears out of the ether promising political revolution in a poilitcal system thats BUILT to prevent that from happening, and black people are just supposed to sign on to that? Why?

Then please explain 08. When a little known Senator beat the Clinton machine, that's had the black vote in their pocket for over two decades. And the fact that I can even say that and it not be hyperbole doesn't sit well with me at all.

 

[noskey]

True on Warren. Who then? I'm not politically savvy enough to know of too many high profile candidates. Corey Booker? He still viable?

And dont overestimate the options Trump has. Most true conservatives cant stand the guy, he'll lose half his votes if he partners with a GOP-lifer, and no one with any self respect will tie themselves to the guy.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Then please explain 08. When a little known Senator beat the Clinton machine, that's had the black vote in their pocket for over two decades.

Easy.

Clinton gaffs, and generational political talent.



Clinton in a speech insinuated that Barack would get assassinated so vote for her, it was downhill from there.


Combine that with Obama as just a generational political talent who was able to define a new coalition of voters that has changed the Democratic party forever. Eventually black people flipped to Obama.

 

[rico x hood]

True on Warren. Who then? I'm not politically savvy enough to know of too many high profile candidates. Corey Booker? He still viable?

And dont overestimate the options Trump has. Most true conservatives cant stand the guy, he'll lose half his votes if he partners with a GOP-lifer, and no one with any self respect will tie themselves to the guy.

Well if this were a conventional election cycle I'd Nikki Haley, Cruz, or Rubio would be excellent picks. But Trump has said picking a woman or minority would be considered pandering. There have been rumors that he had Gingrich on a shortlist, so I think he's going to go with a white male establishment type.

 

[rico x hood]

Easy.

Clinton gaffs, and generational political talent.



Clinton in a speech insinuated that Barack would get assassinated so vote for her, it was downhill from there.


Combine that with Obama as just a generational political talent who was able to define a new coalition of voters that has changed the Democratic party forever. Eventually black people flipped to Obama.

So now that same candidate, and yes she is the same just slightly more progressive (in name only btw) can win 78% of the black vote? And you think that there's nothing wrong with that?

You know what this is like? When you're dating someone, break up, date someone else, break up then run back to your ex. I think we all know how that usually works out.