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Trump really makes outrageous claims as if a quick google fact check doesn’t exist. Well it doesn’t for his country hick base. Must be why they don’t question anything. “Pay for socialism” lol like what does that even mean? Here’s a fact....... Space Force

What's even funnier is that most of these older folks have long since taken more money out of the system than they put in. As well as the fact that unless drastic changes happen, almost none of us are going to receive any benefits after we've paid into it this whole time. Doesn't matter to them because they're the beneficiaries of it.
 
This is the world we live in which is embarrassing. I am a federal employee and none of this makes any sense. All the obvious reasons to not get rid of the federal employee raise: "tax cuts for the rich" and "economy growing" and "still increasing the deficit by spending" aside...this quote is the one that really twists the knife

Mr. Trump said he is eliminating those raises. He also said he would scrap additional raises, which vary by location, aimed at bringing federal pay in line with private-sector salaries.

The private sector salaries are WAY higher then the federal work force. It blows my mind some times that people even work for the government. Personally speaking i sit at tables discussing contracts where i look at salaries of my contractor counterpart and they make double what i do. I have to negotiate and interact with teams of people where their early career hires make the same as i do and i am in charge of managing their boss two levels higher then them.

And all of this for 1.9% in 2019....thats what we had to look forward too...which wouldn't even matter with how they are about to ruin our retirement plans so my paycheck will still go down even if i get a 1.9% increase in 2019.
 
This is the world we live in which is embarrassing. I am a federal employee and none of this makes any sense. All the obvious reasons to not get rid of the federal employee raise: "tax cuts for the rich" and "economy growing" and "still increasing the deficit by spending" aside...this quote is the one that really twists the knife



The private sector salaries are WAY higher then the federal work force. It blows my mind some times that people even work for the government. Personally speaking i sit at tables discussing contracts where i look at salaries of my contractor counterpart and they make double what i do. I have to negotiate and interact with teams of people where their early career hires make the same as i do and i am in charge of managing their boss two levels higher then them.

And all of this for 1.9% in 2019....thats what we had to look forward too...which wouldn't even matter with how they are about to ruin our retirement plans so my paycheck will still go down even if i get a 1.9% increase in 2019.
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If he tried to stop me from doing my job as a photographer/journalist, that would be the last time he used that hand for much of anything for several months.
****, if he got fingerprints on my lens, I'm breaking those fingers.
 
What's even funnier is that most of these older folks have long since taken more money out of the system than they put in. As well as the fact that unless drastic changes happen, almost none of us are going to receive any benefits after we've paid into it this whole time. Doesn't matter to them because they're the beneficiaries of it.
SS is a bail out sham created by the generation that killed and financially cost the US more than any other. They knew it wouldn’t last but wanted to make sure they were set. Simple population growth equations can tell you all that
 


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this as I understand it is a very effective arguments amongst old people.

Very. It was used a lot during the ACA debate in 2009.

People would seriously hold up signs saying "keep government off of my Medicare"

This was in response to Dems proposing higher Medicare taxes, closing the Medicare gap and a buy in for people 55 and over. Dems wanted to expand Medicare, and get more money for it, and some old people were complaining.
 
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Good question. Not gonna lie I'd pick Florida. Better than gambling on the rest of the trash out there.
 
Mueller's office referred the Sam Patten case to the DC US Attorney's office. They charged the Manafort associate with a FARA violation.
Sam Patten also formed a consulting firm in the US with Konstantin Kilimnik, who has recently been indicted by Mueller in a superseding indictment of Paul Manafort.
Kilimnik faces a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice along with Manafort. The latter was additionally charged with witness tampering.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/31/paul-manafort-sam-patten-charged-cambridge-analytica
Paul Manafort associate who worked with Cambridge Analytica charged
A Republican political consultant linked to Paul Manafort, who also once worked for Cambridge Analytica, has been charged with operating illegally in the US as an agent for pro-Russia politicians from Ukraine.

Sam Patten is accused of “willfully” acting as an agent for the Ukrainian political party Opposition Bloc between 2014 and this year, according to a filing to federal court in Washington DC on Friday.

Patten, 47, was charged with violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act (Fara) by failing to register with the US government as an agent for a foreign country. The charge was brought by the US attorney’s office in the capital.

The case docket said Patten would appear at a plea hearing before judge Amy Berman Jackson at 11am on Friday. A spokesman for the US attorney’s office said the charge against Patten was a felony punishable by a maximum of five years in prison and also carried potential fines.
Patten formed a consulting company in the US with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian political operative with alleged ties to the country’s intelligence services. Kilimnik also worked extensively with Manafort, the former chairman of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

US prosecutors said Patten’s company was paid $1m for advising Opposition Bloc and lobbying US politicians on its behalf. The funds were allegedly paid via an offshore account in Cyprus from a “prominent Ukraine oligarch” who is an Opposition Bloc member.

Patten allegedly worked to setup meetings for Kilimnik and the Ukrainian oligarch with state department officials and members of Congress, including senators on the foreign relations committee and House members on the foreign affairs committee.

According to the filing, Patten also drafted op-ed articles for the oligarch and succeeded in having at least one published by a national American media outlet in February 2017.

Patten is accused of knowing he was required to register under Fara but failing to do so after the Ukrainian oligarch said “he did not want them to” until an unspecified future date.

Kilimnik is charged alongside Manafort in a separate criminal case brought in Washington by Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian election interference, links between Trump aides and Moscow and potential obstruction of justice by the president.

Earlier this month, Manafort was convicted on eight counts of bank and tax fraud arising from the Mueller investigation.

Patten also carried out work for Cambridge Analytica, the now-defunct consultancy that is under scrutiny for its work on Trump’s 2016 election campaign.

A page on Patten’s website that has since been removed said he “worked with one of London’s most innovative strategic communications companies to introduce new technologies and methodologies” during the 2014 US election.

During an interview last year with a British academic researcher, Patten said: “I’ve worked in Ukraine, Iraq, I’ve worked in deeply corrupt countries, and [the American] system isn’t very different.”
 
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