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ANTIFA probably the mastermind behind this scheme too
 
Do ya’ll wanna see a dead body?


RIP Little Ben 💀

I swear progressives brains turn to total mush when this topic is brought up.


nothing in this clip was anyone destroying anything.
NGT is basically talking past the crux of the disagreement, he doesn't even directionally confront anything Ben is saying.

Should trans women compete with women.
"Well i don't' know."

Is trans women are women a scientific fact.
"well why do you even care?"

Is gender ideology a social fact or scientific fact
"well i don't know that remains to be determined"

it's barely even an argument, they are just talking past one another.

partisan brain has got people like "omg do yall wanna see a dead body" :rolleyes
 
I swear progressives brains turn to total mush when this topic is brought up.


nothing in this clip was anyone destroying anything.
NGT is basically talking past the crux of the disagreement, he doesn't even directionally confront anything Ben is saying.

Should trans women compete with women.
"Well i don't' know."

Is trans women are women a scientific fact.
"well why do you even care?"

Is gender ideology a social fact or scientific fact
"well i don't know that remains to be determined"

it's barely even an argument, they are just talking past one another.

partisan brain has got people like "omg do yall wanna see a dead body" :rolleyes
Shapiro relies on a few rhetorical sleights of hand to conflate and confuse issues. NGT here isn’t talking past him as much as:
  • First pointing out the switch, eg “fact” vs “scientific fact”
  • Then calling into question the motivation for the conflation
  • And finally identifying the unstated assumption that creates the conflict: women and men should should have segregated competition
This is how a genuine intellectual conversation would take place, and to his credit NGT is behaving as though BS is interested in a sincere dialog. Which, of course, he isn’t.

I agree that the world could do with less hyperbolic click bait, but I think people putting “winning an argument” above “getting to the truth” is probably a bigger issue…
 
Shapiro relies on a few rhetorical sleights of hand to conflate and confuse issues. NGT here isn’t talking past him as much as:
  • First pointing out the switch, eg “fact” vs “scientific fact”
  • Then calling into question the motivation for the conflation
  • And finally identifying the unstated assumption that creates the conflict: women and men should should have segregated competition
This is how a genuine intellectual conversation would take place, and to his credit NGT is behaving as though BS is interested in a sincere dialog. Which, of course, he isn’t.

I agree that the world could do with less hyperbolic click bait, but I think people putting “winning an argument” above “getting to the truth” is probably a bigger issue…


Ben is trying to have a political debate, NGT doesn't really take political positions.

Should schools teach bleeding edge lightly evidence political and social theories as fact?
is a political question

Should things be segregated by sex or by the concept of "gender identity"
is a political question

NDT doesn't take political positions, so he mostly sticks to verifiable facts, so when faced with a political question.
his response is "i don't know/well it remains to be determined"

nothing was "debated" no one won or lost. science and politics are two different things.
you can't have a genuine intellectual conversation, when one side doesn't want to engadge with the crux the disagreement.


it's fine if NDT doesn't want to argue about politics, I think it's the smart and correct thing for him to do.
but lets not act like this was some wild debate"
 
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On another topic;

Nigeria has the chance to elect a non totally corrupt president,
so pray for Peter Obi, he might be Nigeria's one shot to graduate from **** hole coutry status.

🙏
 
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