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Nothing to do with eye test doe.
OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5
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Sent him where?
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Flying.
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Was going to make the "zone of danger" joke
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I will reply to it. Yes, the 4 Superbowls is an amazing accomplishment. 2 Superbowl MVPs is also a great accomplishment. Great items to add to his resume.
However, the rest of his resume simply does not stack up to other greats. 1 MVP, 1 All Pro (same year as his MVP), and 3 Pro Bowls. Simply put, his accolades do not match up with others that are considered all time greats.
You say high in stats? Laughable claim. Obviously, his stats are nothing compared to modern stats, but I am not even talking about that. I am speaking in terms of his era. He finished 1st in TD passes in a season once, and the majority of the time the wasn't in the top 5 (or often times he wasnt even in the top 10). The majority of his career, he wasn't in the top 5 in passing yards (or often times he wasnt even in the top 10). Where are these stats you are speaking of?
I'm too young to have watched Bradshaw play, so the eye test is out of the equation.
So out of Superbowls, personal accomplishments, and statistics, the only thing that you can say was exceptional was his Superbowls. THAT is why he is often not included in peoples top 5 or 10 list.
Simply put, you just don't seem to understand that its not just ONE thing that we judge players on. Its a number of things. And Bradshaw only really excelled at one of those number of things.
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I'm about to tweet Michael and ask him if he was better than Jerry #niketalkNeedsToKnow
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His career ranks at the time of retirement are the numbers I speak of. Held SB records in yards and TDs, 14-5 career playoff record, 32 rushing TDs and over 2000 yards on the ground. He also called all his own plays throughout his career.
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But it is all about the eye test
And when TB retired he was a top 10 QB all time. Then many have passed since
And when TB retired he was a top 10 QB all time. Then many have passed since
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That's the point I was making. The moment Rodgers won his first SB I could tell you he was a superior QB to TB. Although no metric or number existed at the time to prove it.
Anyone who argued for Rodgers at that moment would have been putting up the same argument I was earlier about Irvin. Therefore my argument has merit. Unless you still think TB is better then Rodgers. Ha ha ha
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But numbers did prove it. AR12 had superior numbers across the board besides SB wins. And clearly those weren't going to match at the point in his career
But why are we debating QBs? You said Irvin was the best, had no factual evidence to prove it, had no members in agreement, but continue these straw man arguments to try to convince us in some weird way (which it hasn't)
But why are we debating QBs? You said Irvin was the best, had no factual evidence to prove it, had no members in agreement, but continue these straw man arguments to try to convince us in some weird way (which it hasn't)
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Preach.
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Rice and Irvin played in the same era though.
Rice is better in every stat, accomplishment( both individual and team) and both played with HOFers and great talent.
Rice is better in every stat, accomplishment( both individual and team) and both played with HOFers and great talent.
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there is a difference between talent and what is accomplished
I firmly believe Mario Lemieux was the most talented hockey player to ever play but Wayne Gretzky is the GOAT
I firmly believe Mario Lemieux was the most talented hockey player to ever play but Wayne Gretzky is the GOAT
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You didn't read what I said. At the time he won his first SB. All the years after prove it sure but I didn't have to see anymore to say he's better. His numbers and accolades to that point didn't surpass TB by much if at all. I'd have to look and see what Rodgers totals were up until his first SB win.
My last post wasn't to address Irvin vs Rice. It was to show how the same argument can look silly either way. Folks pick and choose when to use what type of metric.
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Aaron Rodgers has one SB. In 2010, if he quit, people would have Bradshaw as the better career but seen AR12 as a better talent. His per game/year numbers showcases this along with the variables such as eye test, competitors opinions, etc
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I can see that being the narrative. I personally would feel Rodgers was better. I'll throw you a rep because I think you get what I mean. Sometimes man feels like I'm speaking a different language. Ha ha ha
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Bringing up old players had me thinking about Jim Brown.
Averaged 104 yards per game, 5.2 yards per rush, missed 0 games, led the league 8 of 9 years played and retired MVP at 29 years old. Dude was God like.
Averaged 104 yards per game, 5.2 yards per rush, missed 0 games, led the league 8 of 9 years played and retired MVP at 29 years old. Dude was God like.
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Yeah Jim Brown is considered an all time great, probably universally top 5 or better.
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I've never heard anyone that saw him play say anyone else is the GOAT
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agreed with this
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So Tannehill admitted to talking greasy to the dudes on the practice squad.
Dude admitted it on the record.
Is my dude CP still gonna say it didn't happen?
Dude admitted it on the record.
Is my dude CP still gonna say it didn't happen?
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DeadsetAce
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So Tannehill admitted to talking greasy to the dudes on the practice squad.
Dude admitted it on the record.
Is my dude CP still gonna say it didn't happen?
CP is going to say dudes who try and pick off balls in walk throughs should be getting talked greasy to. "practice squad heroes"
still think there's more to it but we'll never know for sure. overall, it's not a huge deal IMO. doesn't mean he's any worse or any better of a QB. but i think it is funny that it got Tannehill riled up enough to talk **** to these dudes
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My boy Tanny put those peasants in place. Good for him, I respect that.
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