Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread
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I agree with not moving anyone now. Obviously, they do want to get under the luxury tax though. There are ways to do it without moving the core, but the front office thinks Rudy Gay isn't as valuable as perceived.
Its understandable, but I think they're definitely looking for a SF replacement if a move is made. If its not Dudley, Prince may be another player. The team cannot afford to lose Rudy and not get an adequate starting SF back, especially with Pondexter out. Darrell Arthur has been playing backup SF with Pondexter out, so just imagine how bad it would get if we didn't get anyone with SF size back in the deal?
I thought I mentioned Toronto in an earlier post, but that was on realGM
. A deal maybe centered around Calderon, Ross and a future pick woudl suffice. But, it doesn't cover the need of getting a SF back. It does cover the need of adding a playmaker in Calderon.
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Also, told all y'all my guy Born Ready was gonna come on strong this year. Dude has come a long way but the talent was always there.
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Maybe it's time to try to trade him? I thought the Pacers were crazy as they seemed to be kind of trying to phase Granger out in favor of George (did it seem like that to anyone else?), but the way George has played over the past month and a half, and with the way the Pacers are winning... maybe they weren't crazy.
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I really wish we could get Barnes, but Biedrins and Jefferson is not worth it
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As an outsider that has never won anything, It's nice to see to a powerhouse like Lakers that always win to struggle, I do have a bad feeling Lakers but Time is starting to windle down.....
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From Denver, the Grizz want Gallinari and Quincy Miller.
I'm not sure why we want Gallinari because he's shooting the ball similar, less athletic and worse on defense. At the same time, he makes like $7M less
I'm not sure why we want Gallinari because he's shooting the ball similar, less athletic and worse on defense. At the same time, he makes like $7M less
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IIRC, he was against that deal.
FWIW, this was his scouting report on Gay before the season:
Scouting report
+ Smooth, long wing with high-arcing jump shot. Can shoot over the top of a defense.
+ Outstanding transition finisher. Shies from contact and doesn't draw fouls.
+ Doesn't see the floor once he starts dribbling. Underachieves defensively.
Analysis
Gay has All-Star talent, but his jump shot let him down last season and he hasn't picked up his game in other areas. For starters, there's the jumper. Gay's stroke looks wonderful, but it doesn't go in as often as you think. Last season he made only 33.8 percent of his long 2s, and his 31.2 percent mark on 3s dropped his career mark to just 34.7 percent. He can get his shot off against anyone, and there's value in that, but there's not a lot of evidence that he's an above-average shooter.
What does have value is when he takes shots near the basket. Gay shot 64 percent at the rim and had a high foul rate for a jump shooter; in particular, if he gets a step going right, he can throw down some vicious dunks. He also ranked in the top quarter of small forwards in both rebounds and blocks. In a related story, he played a lot of small-ball 4 and at 6-foot-9 may continue doing so going forward.
However, he regressed in other areas. Gay is guilty of dribble blindness, and while he's improved from a few years ago, he still ranked among the bottom 10 small forwards in pure point rating. Defensively, he's had a hard time converting elite athleticism into decent results. His length nets him a lot of blocks and steals, but the Grizzlies gave up 6.0 more points per 100 possessions when he was on the floor.
FWIW, this was his scouting report on Gay before the season:
Scouting report
+ Smooth, long wing with high-arcing jump shot. Can shoot over the top of a defense.
+ Outstanding transition finisher. Shies from contact and doesn't draw fouls.
+ Doesn't see the floor once he starts dribbling. Underachieves defensively.
Analysis
Gay has All-Star talent, but his jump shot let him down last season and he hasn't picked up his game in other areas. For starters, there's the jumper. Gay's stroke looks wonderful, but it doesn't go in as often as you think. Last season he made only 33.8 percent of his long 2s, and his 31.2 percent mark on 3s dropped his career mark to just 34.7 percent. He can get his shot off against anyone, and there's value in that, but there's not a lot of evidence that he's an above-average shooter.
What does have value is when he takes shots near the basket. Gay shot 64 percent at the rim and had a high foul rate for a jump shooter; in particular, if he gets a step going right, he can throw down some vicious dunks. He also ranked in the top quarter of small forwards in both rebounds and blocks. In a related story, he played a lot of small-ball 4 and at 6-foot-9 may continue doing so going forward.
However, he regressed in other areas. Gay is guilty of dribble blindness, and while he's improved from a few years ago, he still ranked among the bottom 10 small forwards in pure point rating. Defensively, he's had a hard time converting elite athleticism into decent results. His length nets him a lot of blocks and steals, but the Grizzlies gave up 6.0 more points per 100 possessions when he was on the floor.
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Oh and this is what he wrote when Gay first got the deal:
So the first of the big free-agent dominoes has fallen, and surprisingly it's Memphis' Rudy Gay. Even more surprising, he's staying a Grizzly. With a five-year, maximum deal worth more than $80 million that no suitor could match, the Grizzlies comfortably won the rights to retain Gay's services.
Gay
Gay's return comes as a surprise because of the penny-pinching ways of Memphis owner Michael Heisley, but there's always been a madness to his method. This is the same guy who traded Pau Gasol in a pure salary dump and yet has paid the same money to visibly inferior players in Zach Randolph and now Gay. In this instance, keeping Gay now rather than matching another offer prevented the likely outcome of having to match a heavily front-loaded offer sheet from another club for similar overall dollars.
Nonetheless, Gay is now grossly overpaid. No other Grizzly besides Randolph will make more than $5 million this year, but Gay is on the books for more than double that despite the fact that he's probably only the team's third-best player. While he's an impressive scorer, his game is completely one-dimensional and he's shown no improvement whatsoever in the past two seasons.
It's certainly possible he could do more -- Gay is only 23 and has enviable physical talents that could allow him to improve his game in several directions. But the thing he seems to need most is a change of scenery and a winning environment where more is demanded from him. That's the one thing he won't be getting for the next half-decade.
For Memphis it's a mistake contract, but it could have been worse. The Grizzlies will still be far below the cap in 2011 when Zach Randolph and the long-departed Marko Jaric come off the books, so Gay's deal needn't be a cap-killer even with Memphis' tight budget. Additionally, he's young enough that he should still be tradable if the Griz decide to shift gears in future years.
The fact Memphis kept Gay also lends a clue to one other oddity -- the decision not to make a qualifying offer to Ronnie Brewer. (Warning: Conjecture coming.) The Grizzlies drafted Xavier Henry and Greivis Vasquez in the first round; combined with keeping Gay, it means their roster is already at 12 players. Memphis will almost certainly keep the minimum 13, which means the Grizzlies have one more spot to fill … which they could have filled by making a qualifying offer to Brewer.
However, by far the more palatable option for Memphis would be signing a frontcourt player with its midlevel exception (or a portion thereof). Obviously, it's going to be tough to get a quality player to come to Memphis without a bowl-me-over offer, and the Grizzlies aren't going to be making one.
But given the glaring need, it at least helps to keep the option open. Memphis needs a big body a lot more than it needs another wing player right now, and my guess is that Heisley will pick only one.
Of course, Memphis could have done much better by keeping Brewer, letting Gay walk in a sign-and-trade that stuck another team with Hamed Haddadi's contract, using its full midlevel for a big man or a point guard, getting another decent bench player with the biannual exception, and letting it rip with Brewer and Henry sharing Gay's old spot -- producing probably 80 percent of the output at half the cost and with a much deeper, more balanced roster around them.
In the big picture, then, this move is another questionable one by the Heisley regime, but I can't sit here and claim it's a franchise-killer either. Gay might get better, and in the meantime it does very little damage to Memphis' cap and roster flexibility going forward. The Grizzlies missed an opportunity to reshape their roster this summer and surely aren't better off for this, but it's hard to argue they're significantly worse off.
So the first of the big free-agent dominoes has fallen, and surprisingly it's Memphis' Rudy Gay. Even more surprising, he's staying a Grizzly. With a five-year, maximum deal worth more than $80 million that no suitor could match, the Grizzlies comfortably won the rights to retain Gay's services.
Gay
Gay's return comes as a surprise because of the penny-pinching ways of Memphis owner Michael Heisley, but there's always been a madness to his method. This is the same guy who traded Pau Gasol in a pure salary dump and yet has paid the same money to visibly inferior players in Zach Randolph and now Gay. In this instance, keeping Gay now rather than matching another offer prevented the likely outcome of having to match a heavily front-loaded offer sheet from another club for similar overall dollars.
Nonetheless, Gay is now grossly overpaid. No other Grizzly besides Randolph will make more than $5 million this year, but Gay is on the books for more than double that despite the fact that he's probably only the team's third-best player. While he's an impressive scorer, his game is completely one-dimensional and he's shown no improvement whatsoever in the past two seasons.
It's certainly possible he could do more -- Gay is only 23 and has enviable physical talents that could allow him to improve his game in several directions. But the thing he seems to need most is a change of scenery and a winning environment where more is demanded from him. That's the one thing he won't be getting for the next half-decade.
For Memphis it's a mistake contract, but it could have been worse. The Grizzlies will still be far below the cap in 2011 when Zach Randolph and the long-departed Marko Jaric come off the books, so Gay's deal needn't be a cap-killer even with Memphis' tight budget. Additionally, he's young enough that he should still be tradable if the Griz decide to shift gears in future years.
The fact Memphis kept Gay also lends a clue to one other oddity -- the decision not to make a qualifying offer to Ronnie Brewer. (Warning: Conjecture coming.) The Grizzlies drafted Xavier Henry and Greivis Vasquez in the first round; combined with keeping Gay, it means their roster is already at 12 players. Memphis will almost certainly keep the minimum 13, which means the Grizzlies have one more spot to fill … which they could have filled by making a qualifying offer to Brewer.
However, by far the more palatable option for Memphis would be signing a frontcourt player with its midlevel exception (or a portion thereof). Obviously, it's going to be tough to get a quality player to come to Memphis without a bowl-me-over offer, and the Grizzlies aren't going to be making one.
But given the glaring need, it at least helps to keep the option open. Memphis needs a big body a lot more than it needs another wing player right now, and my guess is that Heisley will pick only one.
Of course, Memphis could have done much better by keeping Brewer, letting Gay walk in a sign-and-trade that stuck another team with Hamed Haddadi's contract, using its full midlevel for a big man or a point guard, getting another decent bench player with the biannual exception, and letting it rip with Brewer and Henry sharing Gay's old spot -- producing probably 80 percent of the output at half the cost and with a much deeper, more balanced roster around them.
In the big picture, then, this move is another questionable one by the Heisley regime, but I can't sit here and claim it's a franchise-killer either. Gay might get better, and in the meantime it does very little damage to Memphis' cap and roster flexibility going forward. The Grizzlies missed an opportunity to reshape their roster this summer and surely aren't better off for this, but it's hard to argue they're significantly worse off.
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He was a believer in Z-Bo and Rudy playing together. From his articles, he seems indifferent towards Rudy.
Lakers teamwork and chemistry. #PitAndTroll
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But why? The Nuggets already have IggyFrom Denver, the Grizz want Gallinari and Quincy Miller.
I'm not sure why we want Gallinari because he's shooting the ball similar, less athletic and worse on defense. At the same time, he makes like $7M less
He was a believer in Z-Bo and Rudy playing together. From his articles, he seems indifferent towards Rudy.
Lakers teamwork and chemistry. #PitAndTroll
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Because the Nuggets play Iguodala at SG. This is what I've always wanted to see. Iguodala playing with Rudy. When the rumors came out about us possibly considering pursuing Iggy, I wanted ZBO out. I really think Iggy and Rudy would flourish together. Rudy can become a straight slasher, less of a playmaker, he doesn't have to worry about battling to get to his spots on the block because Denver's two big men don't know what a post move is.
This would be a good deal for both teams, if it happens. But, how funny would it be if those two teams met in the playoffs.
Also, getting someone like Quincy Miller is icing on the cake. I wanted him in the draft due to his upside.
This would be a good deal for both teams, if it happens. But, how funny would it be if those two teams met in the playoffs.
Also, getting someone like Quincy Miller is icing on the cake. I wanted him in the draft due to his upside.
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More pics of Wall practicing.
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I forgot that Hollinger is a big fan of Quincy Miller too.
He had Miller ranked sixth in his Draft Rater:
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Holy moly. That nash ron vid got me dying dude clearly saw nash wiping down his body and he still wiped his face with it. Maybe he thought it would give him nash's shooting abilty or something.
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Not really concerned, he's bounced back exceptionally well after his surgey last year. Dude is an ox. Just upset now that he won't even be available for a reserve as an all-star, if selected. This definitely means he'll be here next season - and probably won't be traded ever now
cause I love dude.^^ don't know where these people get their info from, but that's interesting..
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Jesus, you keep Hollinger on speed dial or somethin? ****
Readin that, he was not a Rudy guy. I think it's clearly showin now.
nah, a quick Hollinger Rudy Gay search on ESPN did it.
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Cavs front office SMFH.
They've been ****.
They've been ****.
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Does Hollinger like Gallo too then? He's gonna be awfully predictable with everything he's written before.
Pretty much said he forgot how to shoot and he's slowly turning from the next Nowitzki into the next Tony Allen
He said that because he's slashing to the rim a lot more now because his outside shot hasn't been falling. Mentioned that he has the 3rd best secondary percentage at his position and is a foul drawing monster. He also said that Gallinari is much better defensively than people realize. Synergy had him slightly above average, opposing small forwards posted only an 11.2 PER against him. He had the best on court vs off court rating on the Nuggets.He does great against long 3's like Durant and Deng. He could be an all star if he doesn't keep getting hurt.
That's pretty much what he said.
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what is Hollinger offical postion with memphis? and are they really going to his PER *** have power to make postion moves?
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