Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

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Not going according to plan

At worst, this was supposed to be an offensive juggernaut. The Warriors seemed to have shooters galore with Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and rookie Harrison Barnes. They had a versatile, mobile big man in David Lee and a post-up threat in Andrew Bogut. Maybe they weren't going to be Run TMC, but this figured to be one of the league's top 10 offenses, especially with the starting five on the court.

Right now they're 25th. And even that mark owes mostly to the brilliant play of reserve Carl Landry rather than anything the starters have done. Golden State's starting lineup has a collective offensive efficiency rating of 96.2, according to NBA.com's advanced stats tool. Bogut hasn't played much, but if we just look at the Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Lee quartet, it's even worse: a pathetic 93.7.

Individually, all five Golden State starters have underperformed. Bogut has played only 72 minutes. He's injured again, and nobody knows when he's coming back. But at least he has a PER above the league average, which is more than the other four can say.

Barnes has the excuse that he's a rookie. His single-digit PER and general invisibility in the early going shouldn't come as a huge shock.

But the three holdovers? These guys were supposed to be the heart of the offense. Thompson had a strong finish to last season but is shooting in the 30s on 2s, 73.7 percent from the line and doesn't contribute in enough other ways to make up for it. Like Thompson, Curry is shooting 37.5 percent from the floor and has struggled as a distributor. Between the two, they're averaging 7.2 assists and 5.7 turnovers, which won't get it done as a starting backcourt.

Then there's Lee, a phantom of a defender whose offense is the only thing keeping him on the court -- at least in theory. In practice, he is shooting 42.1 percent from the floor and, like his two celebrated teammates, has a TS% in the high 40s.

As a result, Golden State's starting five takes the cake in our list of the league's top early disappointments. The Warriors somehow have survived, going 3-4 thanks to a solid defense and the outsized contributions of Landry and Jarrett Jack. But unless their starters get back to their historic performance levels, this thing will go off the rails quickly.

While the Warriors' quintet leads the way, I have plenty more to choose from. Here's a look around the league at the biggest letdowns from the first two weeks:

Roy Hibbert, Pacers
Say, didn't you used to be an All-Star? Hibbert's vanishing post game has been the biggest disappointment in the wretched, stinking train wreck known as the Indiana offense this season, one that ranks 29th in efficiency after Tuesday's depressing 74-72 home loss to Toronto. (Featuring stalwarts like Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani, the Raptors entered the game ranked 25th in defense.)

The alleged focal point of the attack, Hibbert is averaging 8.4 points on 37.8 percent shooting. Combined with his pathetic total of 11 free throw attempts on the season, his TS% is a brutal 38.6. Most embarrassingly, he is 7-foot-2 and has made fewer than half his shots inside five feet.

Danilo Gallinari, Nuggets
When Gallinari was a rookie with the Knicks, then-coach Mike D'Antoni said he was the best shooter he'd ever seen. While D'Antoni's talent for blowing hot air about his guys is well known, Gallo shot 44.4 percent on 3s that year. However, his percentage has gone down every year, dropping to last season's 32.8 percent.

This season? Gallinari appears to have renewed his efforts to become a needed floor-spacer for the Nuggets, trying more than seven triples a game. One problem: They aren't going in. He has made only 11 of his 50 attempts, muddling along at 22 percent and contributing to Denver's shocking offensive malaise. Not that he has been much better inside the arc, at 39.3 percent on 2s, and like all the Nuggets, he has seen his formerly high rate of free throw attempts shrivel.

Kevin Durant, Thunder
The absence of James Harden appears to have hurt Durant more than anyone, forcing him into a playmaking role that he doesn't seem completely comfortable with. Durant has boosted his assist rates and sharply increased his rebounding, but he is averaging more than five fewer points per 40 minutes and dragged his PER down five points along the way.

That jives with his numbers from a year ago. According to NBA.com, he played roughly half his minutes with Harden and half without. In the without portion, he averaged 3.4 points per 40 minutes fewer but 0.6 assists more. Now that his entire season is "without", he is taking on that performance permanently. That's terrible news, because Durant's one-of-a-kind skill is scoring, not making skip passes for Thabo Sefolosha jumpers.

As Zach Lowe keeps pointing out, changing OKC's painfully bad starting lineup to add more scoring is one potential cure. Adding Eric Maynor to the starting group and playing small with Westbrook at the 2 could relieve some of Durant's playmaking burden and make it easier for his scoring game to shine.

New Orleans point guards
Greivis Vasquez is in the league leaders in assists and made a game-winning shot to beat Utah. But that's about the only shot he's made. While Passquez has impressed with his court vision, he is 3-for-15 on 3s and an unfathomable 16-for-47 on 2s. That's left his TS% at 36.7 percent and kept his PER in single digits despite the gaudy passing stats. Throw in his suspect ability to defend the position and he's on some thin ice.

Fortunately for Vasquez, his competition for the job is Austin Rivers, who has probably been the league's worst rookie in the early going. (Well, of those who have played anyway. Royce White has this title on lockdown until further notice.). Rivers' line thus far? Ten fouls, nine turnovers, seven made baskets. It's not for lack of trying either, with 32 hoists in just four games.

Ersan Ilyasova, Bucks
Ilyasova's 2011-12 season seemed fluky, but nobody suspected a crash like this. He had a 20.55 PER a year ago; now it's at 4.36, an accomplishment which would blow away Lamar Odom's record for one-year decline if he keeps it up. It's not as if it's just one category that's hurting him. His performance is down across the board, with both his spot-up and off-the-dribble games suffering staggering declines. On a positive note, he is doing wonders for Ekpe Udoh's adjusted plus-minus.

The timing couldn't be worse, as the Bucks just signed him to a five-year, $40 million deal in the offseason. Just when Milwaukee finally seemed to be in a position where all the bad contracts were off its books, one wonders if Ilyasova is starting the cycle anew.

Manu Ginobili, Spurs
Ginobili has battled a bad back in the early part of the season, and perhaps he shouldn't have played Tuesday night. The Spurs better hope it's just the back. Ginobili is 35 and appeared to slow down in the playoffs last season. This season, he is shooting 34.9 percent with a single-digit PER.

The passing flair is still there, but his turnovers per possession are dramatically up and he hasn't been converting consistently even inside the arc. While his 3-for-19 start on 3s offers hope in a roundabout way -- certainly he'll end up in the mid- to high-30s -- the rest of his game has been slow to come around, which is bad news for a team that probably needs Ginobili playing at an All-Star level to be in a realistic position as a title contender.

Josh Smith, Hawks
Josh Smith, jump shooter, has taken seven 3-pointers and made one of them. Josh Smith, jump shooter, has tried 29 2s from beyond 10 feet and converted six of them. Josh Smith, jump shooter, has taken 15 free throws and made three of them. Josh Smith, jump shooter, is killing the Hawks' offense.

What's so maddening is that Josh Smith, basketball player, is otherwise extremely valuable. He sees the court, rebounds, defends, can finish at the rim and has a nice right-block post game. When not shooting jumpers, he's at 53.8 percent this season. Add in the jumpers and he's at 39.8 percent with a career-low PER. I'll ask one more time, very nicely: Ditch the jumpers, Josh.

Tyreke Evans, Kings
In his fourth year in the NBA, Evans continues to go backward. With a wayward Kings organization that hasn't exactly wowed us with its player development program, it appears Evans has no more coherent idea of how to play offense than when he came into the league four years ago -- especially when he doesn't have the ball.

While Evans seems more engaged defensively than in previous seasons, his 38 percent shooting and 13.7 points per 40 minutes in the early going are a crushing disappointment for a Kings team that is desperate for some reliable scoring punch. Not only is his TS% a ghastly 43.9, but he is doing it with a career-low usage rate.

Like half these guys are on my fantasy team

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i don't rock with advance statistics, PER, and all that other stuff, but the warriors are flat out not making shots. they run good sets and for the most part, they get quality shots. but they are the epitome of a jump shooting team. no one on that team is getting to the foul line

and they aren't running nearly as much pick and roll as they did in the past. as bad as they are shooting, 3-4 isn't necessarily a bad thing for them.
 
*sigh* another year of making Pau the scapegoat.
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I wish the Lakers would get rid of Pau, it'll help us out. Like someone mentioned earlier, unless they receive an overall better player back (which they probably won't), they need to keep Pau. Josh Smith is really good, but having him would make the Lakers easier to defend.

I'm saying man. :lol

It WAS Pau that won them those two championships, they realize that right? :lol

Whenever you can get away with having two talented seven footers on the floor, you better goddamn play them. No, Pau is no Josh Smith defensively, but he isn't Steve Nash either. He can read defenses, he can be a good help-defender, and he's decent one-on-one.

A lot of the Pau slander is from people who don't really follow the Lakers that much, so I'll give them that. :lol
 
*sigh* another year of making Pau the scapegoat.
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I wish the Lakers would get rid of Pau, it'll help us out. Like someone mentioned earlier, unless they receive an overall better player back (which they probably won't), they need to keep Pau. Josh Smith is really good, but having him would make the Lakers easier to defend.


A lot of the Pau slander is from people who don't really follow the Lakers that much, so I'll give them that.
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You realize you're talking about most Lakers fans right? 
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*sigh* another year of making Pau the scapegoat.
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I wish the Lakers would get rid of Pau, it'll help us out. Like someone mentioned earlier, unless they receive an overall better player back (which they probably won't), they need to keep Pau. Josh Smith is really good, but having him would make the Lakers easier to defend.
I'm saying man.
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It WAS Pau that won them those two championships, they realize that right?
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Whenever you can get away with having two talented seven footers on the floor, you better goddamn play them. No, Pau is no Josh Smith defensively, but he isn't Steve Nash either. He can read defenses, he can be a good help-defender, and he's decent one-on-one.

A lot of the Pau slander is from people who don't really follow the Lakers that much, so I'll give them that.
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I watch every single game. He's actually been a horrible help defender this year, isnt scoring in post and he's just getting out worked.

As of right now the only thing he brings is the occasional WIDE OPEN mid range jumper (shooting 36%) and he can still pass.

If we can get another pf that can hit an open jumper, a 3pt shooter or a pg im all for it.
 
Never mind having to add Aminu, Gordon, or whoever else to make it work... Why I want 32-year-old Pau Gasol over 24-year-old Ryan Anderson straight up?
 
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Never mind having to add Aminu, Gordon, or whoever else to make it work... Why I want 32-year-old Pau Gasol over 24-year-old Ryan Anderson straight up?

Only because Pau can play center and I dont think Anderson is in their long term plans. The Lakers would have to send a pick or something too
 
Who is scapegoating Pau tho?

Can't trade Nash.
Can't trade Kobe
Can't trade Ron (tho I would in the blink of an eye)
Won't trade Howard

The only asset that LA has that would bring back value in return is in fact Pau. How, again, I ask, how, is that scapegoating him?


As for Josh, clearly he wouldn't be an offensive upgrade for us. Would anyone like to play offense AGAINST us with Dwight and Josh manning the 5-4? And Ron at the 3? :lol :rollin

Kobe and Nash would sit around at mid court waiting for outlets non stop.


And Nash would be able to get Josh and Dwight a few looks at the rim, so one would hope that would mean less jumpers from Josh.


It's all fantasy **** anyways, nobody makin that deal in real life anytime soon, but getting younger and more athletic while also adding Dwight's buddy, doesn't seem like a horrible deal at all. One thing he can't do is shoot, otherwise I don't see how going from 32 to 26 is all that bad when half the roster is already past 30.


But I know, we all scapegoating. :lol
 
Pau does more good than bad. For the Lakers to trade him, especially for Josh Smith in Dantonis system, would be a huge downgrade. There's not that many PFs better than Pau, and if they are, the Lakers arent getting them.
 
I can't imagine Pringles telling josh to spot up for corner 3s on the break. He would be attacking the basket. With josh, LA would be able to run
 
All I know is, I'm glad Chester traded me Blake Griffin for Pau in the NT Fantasy draft :hat . Thanks Chester Both guys numbers are down so far, but Blake is still playing better basketball.

My idea would be to find a way to move MWP. I know that's hard to do, but I'm sure the Lakers can find someone that would take him and still get something solid in return. Your pitch for Artest would be that he has an early termination option on his final year :lol .
 
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*sigh* another year of making Pau the scapegoat.
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I wish the Lakers would get rid of Pau, it'll help us out. Like someone mentioned earlier, unless they receive an overall better player back (which they probably won't), they need to keep Pau. Josh Smith is really good, but having him would make the Lakers easier to defend.
I'm saying man.
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It WAS Pau that won them those two championships, they realize that right?
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Whenever you can get away with having two talented seven footers on the floor, you better goddamn play them. No, Pau is no Josh Smith defensively, but he isn't Steve Nash either. He can read defenses, he can be a good help-defender, and he's decent one-on-one.

A lot of the Pau slander is from people who don't really follow the Lakers that much, so I'll give them that.
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I don't know if I've ever seen a HOFer get consistently dumped on by his own fanbase as much as Pau has the past 5 years.
 
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[h1]An Angry Lakers Fan Reportedly Pepper-Sprayed A Jazz Fan[/h1]
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 Samer Kalaf

At some point during last night's Lakers-Jazz game, two Jazz fans and two Lakers fans were involved a confrontation that went from trash talking and threats to someone reportedly getting pepper-sprayed outside the arena.

From Janelle Stecklein of the Salt Lake Tribune:
Salt Lake City police Detective Josh Ashdown said a pair of Utah Jazz fans were attending the basketball game Wednesday night when they started trash talking with a pair of Lakers fans.

The discussion escalated and the Lakers fans challenged the Jazz fans to a fight, which they declined, Ashdown said.

Security threw the two Lakers' fans out of the game, but they apparently decided to stick around to continue the confrontation with the Jazz fans, he said.

The Lakers' fans spotted the Jazz fans standing on the corner of 100 South and 400 West and started trash talking again.

At that point, one of the Lakers' fans pulled out pepper spray fogger and let loose with it, police said.
So go ahead and add "getting doused by a pepper spray fogger" to the list of terrible things that can happen to you outside of a sports arena.

The above picture is an artist's rendition of the events that occurred.
 
Manu Ginobili I'd understand, but Pau Gasol I'm not so sure about.

Yes, Pau was the best player for Spain, but Spain never won Olympic gold.
 
I don't know if I've ever seen a HOFer get consistently dumped on by his own fanbase as much as Pau has the past 5 years.

Second best player on the team syndrome. See Pippen, Starks, young Kobe, etc.

But really, the majority of the criticism of Pau is baseless. He's been at his most productive when he's in the low post using his quickness against bigger centers, and size against smaller ones, but he's been pushed out to the high post the last two seasons. And yet he's still been very good. Also there's the fact that the Lakers have the biggest fanbase, and thus more people who don't know what they're talking about.
 
You realize you're talking about most Lakers fans right? :lol
This is false.

I watch Lakers religiously and Pau Gasol have been outplayed by smaller forwards over the last 2 years. Got out rebounded on both end. Got pushed out the paint. Get out hustled etc. Over the past 2 years Pau Gasol have made smaller forward like Carl Landry, Ibaka, Faried, etc look good
 
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