Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[unclerukus]

Then why wasn't there ANY talk about the lack of scoring options when yall locked up the 2 seed in the east? I'll wait.....

Seems like we're not the only ones on here who have a hard time distinguishing the difference between regular season basketball and post season.

I'm not a Knicks fan. I just have common sense. The playoffs are an entirely different animal than the regular season. The Knicks second best scorer disappeared. They played the best defensive team in the NBA. Melo had zero consistent help on offense. You do the rest of the math. 

 

[do work son]

my bad. wasn't aware the knicks got the 2 seed on carmelo's efforts alone. yall right. he shouldn't pass. his score a lot shoot a lot system works really well

You're dancing around the question. PASS TO WHO? Who else was making shots consistently every game for the Knicks besides him. The problem is you cats think regular season basketball is the same as post season basketball. That system doesn't work in the playoffs when your playing good teams every night.

it's not even necessarily about passing to a specific player, but creating offense for the team. the difference is that when melo isolates, he's putting up the shot. when lebron isolates, he's looking to create a shot for himself OR someone else. whether it be a drive and kick, or just burning the guy helping too far. that's why someone new on the heat always shows up big, whether it be battier, cole, allen, chalmers, or BIRDMAN BIRDMAN

 

[do work son]

I dont believe that rumor. It paints Chris Paul as a racist and I dont think he is

Preferring a black coach doesn't make someone a racist.

There are ALOT of black athletes that would prefer to play for a black coach.

and if a white player requested a white coach? then?

NT, only place a team can win 54 games in the regular season, lock up a 2 seed, and "not have any other scoring options".

 

[worldbeefreeg]

We know he's not Bron though, its just not a fair comparison to make yet it always happens. No one is LeBron. It's just not who he is...do I wish he was different sometimes? Sure, but that doesn't mean his heroball can't carry a team far in the right situation.

 

[duba169]

He isn't as good as lebron and he doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of help. Both of those are true statements.

Why are you talking about the regular season? Do you have eyes? Jason Kidd didn't hit a shot since the NFL Draft. JR decided to party and build brick houses. Woodson decided to double from the jump, not play cope or prigs.

I bet the same people pooping on melo were defending lebron up and down CLE for his playoff failures and screaming he had no help when they won like 66 games or some ****.

How can they be number 1 seed and lose to the magic? I guess lebron sucks

 

[trynafeelmink]

Also, in response to Jim Boehiem's comments about Melo needing more help....where was all of this talk when they were wrapping up the #2 seed in the East? This team was built for the ECF, right?

At the Time the Knicks were winning EVERYONE was competing and knocking down shots

Come playoff time the knicks had players who

Ain't hit a shot in a month literally (Kidd)
Shootin mid 30's on mostly good attempts (J.R)
Novak couldn't even get on the floor

add that to the fact that the Pacers are a great Defensive squad and they had no response to their size your going to get those results.

Bottom line when your second Option is J.R Smith in the playoffs your not going to get past a good team. Melo Isolating and actually getting something was a better option than letting guys brick wide open shots

 

[antidope]

So basically he wants Byron Scott, the only good black coach.

 

[victor page]

Wow. 

The Help talk again.

What was the point of him going to New York then?

 

[Animal Thug]

Preferring a black coach doesn't make someone a racist.

There are ALOT of black athletes that would prefer to play for a black coach.

Maybe not racist...definitely prejudice though.

 

[do work son]

We know he's not Bron though, its just not a fair comparison to make yet it always happens. No one is LeBron. It's just not who he is...do I wish he was different sometimes? Sure, but that doesn't mean his heroball can't carry a team far in the right situation.

agreed. all sarcasm aside, it isn't a fair comparison. i guess i'm just personally frustrated with melo because i still don't see him expand into becoming a playmaker as opposed to just a scorer. it's definitely unfair to compare everyone to lebron but at the same time that is the gold standard. it is what it is

 

[coldcity]

i need a neo bullet dodging gif with a knicks logo over his face

 

[victor page]

So there is no prejudice in someone preferring a coach based on skin color. Aiight.

No there isn't.

It's called a PREFERENCE. It would be racist or prejudice if Chris Paul said "I refuse to play for a non black coach".

Am I "prejudice" if I prefer to only date black women?

 

[duba169]

Wow. 

The Help talk again.

What was the point of him going to New York then?

Fame, lifestyle, his wife wanting to go home?

Nobody said he was a sympathetic figure. But you can't talk about lebron having no help on the number 1 regular season cavs and then be shocked that melo didn't go far with the number 2 regular season team

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Chris Paul already just ran a Negro out of town though...

On the real though, lots of guys would feel that way. It can just be a cultural comfort playing with similar people. At the end of the day, Chris was close to Skip Prosser his white, college coach so I don't even believe this story.

 

[do work son]

So there is no prejudice in someone preferring a coach based on skin color. Aiight.

No there isn't.

It's called a PREFERENCE. It would be racist or prejudice if Chris Paul said "I refuse to play for a non black coach".

Am I "prejudice" if I prefer to only date black women?

prej·u·dice [prej-uh-dis] Show IPA noun, verb, prej·u·diced, prej·u·dic·ing.
noun
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

yes, preferring to only date black women does make you prejudiced. you know, against women that aren't black.

i'm sleep though.

 

[coldcity]

Chris Paul already just ran a Negro out of town though...

womp womp

 

[a55a5in11]

If Steve Nash said he wanted to play for a white coach y'all would be calling for his head

 

[victor page]

Fame, lifestyle, his wife wanting to go home?

Nobody said he was a sympathetic figure. But you can't talk about lebron having no help on the number 1 regular season cavs and then be shocked that melo didn't go far with the number 2 regular season team

I never said that. I think it's stupid when people say Lebron had "no help". If anything I'd say Cleveland did not surround Lebron with players that meshed with his style of play. 

Not the case with Carmelo.

 

[hypebeast5]

So there is no prejudice in someone preferring a coach based on skin color. Aiight.

No there isn't.

It's called a PREFERENCE. It would be racist or prejudice if Chris Paul said "I refuse to play for a non black coach".

Am I "prejudice" if I prefer to only date black women?

Talk to em

Honestly tho there are some bad coaches regardless of race

This rumor has me thinking there was an awkward moment between CP3 and VDN

 

[hypebeast5]

If Steve Nash said he wanted to play for a white coach y'all would be calling for his head

Damn this must of been the 50th hypothetical situation you brought up, please just stop

 

[victor page]

If Steve Nash said he wanted to play for a white coach y'all would be calling for his head

It's this what we do everytime a black person speaks on their preference? Automatically bring up "well what if a white man did it".

Most coaches in the leagues of every major sport are white...so realistically when the hell would that scenario even happen?

 

[unclerukus]

agreed. all sarcasm aside, it isn't a fair comparison. i guess i'm just personally frustrated with melo because i still don't see him expand into becoming a playmaker as opposed to just a scorer. it's definitely unfair to compare everyone to lebron but at the same time that is the gold standard. it is what it is

What did the gold standard win before he ran to south beach with Wade and Bosh? He was doing the same thing that Melo is doing now right? If you gave Melo Wade and Bosh, what do you think would happen?

 

[duba169]

I never said that. I think it's stupid when people say Lebron had "no help". If anything I'd say Cleveland did not surround Lebron with players that meshed with his style of play. 

Not the case with Carmelo.

3 point shooters and defensive minded players? That's perfect for his style. The coach was the problem he didn't play an uptempo style. That didn't fit him. Roster fit very well

 

[jjs07]

At the Time the Knicks were winning EVERYONE was competing and knocking down shots

Come playoff time the knicks had players who

Ain't hit a shot in a month literally (Kidd)
Shootin mid 30's on mostly good attempts (J.R)
Novak couldn't even get on the floor

add that to the fact that the Pacers are a great Defensive squad and they had no response to their size your going to get those results.

Bottom line when your second Option is J.R Smith in the playoffs your not going to get past a good team. Melo Isolating and actually getting something was a better option than letting guys brick wide open shots

This is the team that rolled to 54 wins or whatever it was. Why not chalk it up towards bad coaching and players slumping at the wrong time? Saying Melo is lacking other options is a cop-out, IMO.

Team was flawed from the jump, but no one saw it (or wanted to admit it) when the going was good. ****, they were preparing for a FUNERAL in round 1. These guys lack leadership and coaching. Just about everything has to go right for the Knicks to win. Where they go from here? That's anyone's guess. The roster is a complete disaster and they are pretty much handcuffed for the next 2 seasons.

*As far as the Knicks roster -

Let's remember...Melo FORCED a trade to NY with Amar'e already there. Coaching can only do so much...at some point players have to develop chemistry with one another. Amar'e hasn't been a model of health over the past 3 years, but in the 70+ games he's been on the floor with Melo, they are well under .500

To say that the FO hasn't surrounded him with the right players isn't entirely fair because Melo is one of the main reasons why there is no flexibility and also he's part of the problem w/ Amar'e.

 

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