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No it isn't, you don't know what a volume scorer actually is. In those games you highlighted from March 1st until now, 45% of his FG attempts have been threes which he knocked down at 38%, and he got to the line 11 times a game and knocked down 84% of his FTs. This comes out to a 58.5 TS%. That's extremely good and that's considered a little bit subpar by Harden's standards.
FG% is extremely misleading with a guy like Harden.
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^Nothing except taking them to 2 straight Finals
J.Kidd had more to do with that
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Fools out here blaming the coach but can't name 2 Cavs players besides Irving that'd start on a winning team.
They suck flat out. Make the teams Bron played with look like all-stars
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Yeah that's what I remembered too ... and Kidd also hates Byron too.
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Bruh, the reason why his True Shooting Percentage is so high is because the amount of Free Throw Attempts he's receiving. I'm not disputing that. Even with the amount of Free throw attempts, he's still pumping out really bad shooting numbers, especially considering his usage rate. Regardless of where the attempts come from, if you're 7/24, 8/25, that isn't good. That's the stuff of chucking. Either way you slice it.
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No surprise here -
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 46m
RT @espn_macmahon: OJ Mayo is opting to be free agent again this summer. More on @ESPNDallas soon
I hope he's not expecting a big pay day though.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 46m
RT @espn_macmahon: OJ Mayo is opting to be free agent again this summer. More on @ESPNDallas soon
I hope he's not expecting a big pay day though.
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I honestly don't think CP3 would co-sign this move but ok.
Watch him go to the lolakers for next to nothing
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Lakers can't afford OJ Mayo unless they cut Artest/Gasol or if they don't resign Dwight.
They have a MLE, but OJ isn't going to take that.
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I honestly don't think CP3 would co-sign this move but ok.
Watch him go to the lolakers for next to nothing
To be Kobe's substitute for half a season? I doubt it. Stranger things have happened though.
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Lawerence Frank got fired, same thing as Byron Scott, what did they expect him to do with that crappy roster???
O.J Mayo taking Kevin Martins spot??
O.J Mayo taking Kevin Martins spot??
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If they amnesty Artest/Kobe and find a way to deal Gasol's bloated contract to a bottomfeeder the $$$$$ will be there
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Byron was on track to retaining his job, but it was up until the last 15-20 games or so where the organization felt that the young players weren't connecting with Byron like they used too.
I fully supported Byron through-out the tank process, but ultimately the Cavs didn't want to hurt the young players chemistry - and they sensed some type of animosity between the players and Byron lately.
Byron knew this was a tank job from day 1. His problem was his rotation of players, drawings of X's and O's in plays and the relationship with the players lately.
I just would like to know who the Cavs have their eyes on now..
I fully supported Byron through-out the tank process, but ultimately the Cavs didn't want to hurt the young players chemistry - and they sensed some type of animosity between the players and Byron lately.
Byron knew this was a tank job from day 1. His problem was his rotation of players, drawings of X's and O's in plays and the relationship with the players lately.
I just would like to know who the Cavs have their eyes on now..
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shoeking2101
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Find a way to move injury riddled billups, sign OJ, fire VDN, Hire Scott, profit.
Cips.
Cips.
If they amnesty Artest/Kobe and find a way to deal Gasol's bloated contract to a bottomfeeder the $$$$$ will be there
Yes, amnesty Kobe and trade Pau to sign OJ Mayo.
Aren't you a smart one.
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You still don't get it, you're still not factoring in the amount of threes that he takes. Take out his FT attempts if you want. His eFG% was 50.4% for the season. To put that in perspective, people have been raving about Kobe having his most efficient season from the field of his career. His eFG% was.... 50.4%, the same as Harden.
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You still don't get it, you're still not factoring in the amount of threes that he takes. Take out his FT attempts if you want. His eFG% was 50.4% for the season. To put that in perspective, people have been raving about Kobe having his most efficient season from the field of his career. His eFG% was.... 50.4%, the same as Harden.
Do you not get it? No one said take out his Free throw attempts. And i'm not ignoring the amount of 3's he takes. Those are attempts, that he misses the majority of the time. Are you ignoring the bottom line here?
At the end of the night, if he's 6/24, 8/25, etc. for 25 points that isn't good
that's chucking. At the end of the night, a boxscore that reads 6/24, or whatever is going to come off as someone having an off-shooting night and as I just showed you, he's had a lot of those in the past two months.
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You think OJ could really help us though?
Being a SC Trojans fan my opinion is a little bias
Playoff preview: Wild, wild West.
It took until nearly 1 a.m. ET on Thursday, but the matchups for the opening round of the Western Conference postseason are finally set. In a conference so deep from one through eight, all four series stand the chance of being both competitive and entertaining.
Let's look at them. As a guide, I've provided the projected likelihood of the favorite winning the series based on the historical relationship between the difference in team ability (as measured by point differential) and head-to-head record during the regular season.
(1) Oklahoma City Thunder versus (
Houston Rockets
Projection: Oklahoma City wins 87.2 percent of the time
When Oklahoma City has the ball: Omer Asik better get his rest between now and Sunday. Asik is going to be busy throughout this series dealing with Thunder players driving the paint against Houston's porous perimeter defense. During the regular-season series, the Rockets held Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook near their typical production but allowed too many kickouts for open 3s. Kevin Martin and Thabo Sefolosha were the beneficiaries, knocking down a combined 18 triples in the three games. If the outside shots aren't falling, Houston might be able to hang in on D by keeping the Thunder off the line. The Rockets rarely foul, and Oklahoma City shot free throws on 8.8 percent of its plays against them as compared to 11.1 percent overall.
When Houston has the ball: Welcome to the James Harden show. The former Thunder star is likely to show his old team what it's missing, as he did during the regular season, averaging 29.3 points in head-to-head matchups. Harden was able to find his way to the line, helping Houston shoot more total free throws than Oklahoma City in the three games. The Rockets' next two leading scorers against the Thunder were forwards Marcus Morris and Patrick Patterson, both of whom were traded at the deadline. But Houston's lone win over Oklahoma City came the day of that trade, when the short-handed Rockets had little choice but to go small and spread out the Thunder defense.
Prediction: Oklahoma City can't be excited about drawing Houston, one of the strongest eight seeds in recent memory. The Rockets had a better point differential than Golden State, the L.A. Lakers and five of the eight playoff teams in the East. Consistency was Houston's problem throughout the regular season, which is to be expected from a team that relies so heavily on the longball. That's a bad thing when it means losing to Phoenix in a game that would have made the Rockets the seventh seed, but a good thing in a series like this where Houston can win a game or two by getting hot.
Oklahoma City in 6.
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(2) San Antonio Spurs versus (7) Los Angeles Lakers
Projection: San Antonio wins 86.7 percent of the time
When San Antonio has the ball: These two units come into the game in opposite directions. The Spurs have struggled on offense since Tony Parker badly sprained his ankle on March 1. In April, they've actually been substantially worse than average in terms of points per 100 possessions. At the same time, the Lakers have stepped up their defensive effort since Kobe Bryant's injury. Adjusted for opposition, three of their best six defensive performances since November have come with Bryant out of the lineup or playing limited minutes -- the last two games and a March win at Indiana. With Parker alternating good games and terrible ones and Manu Ginobili out of the lineup, San Antonio's only consistent threat has been Tim Duncan.
When the L.A. Lakers have the ball: We saw the game plan on Sunday night when these two teams met at Staples Center. While Steve Nash's return could give Mike D'Antoni more options on offense, the Lakers will want to pound the ball down low to big men Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard. Gasol, healthy at last after a frustrating season, has been a hugely valuable playmaker from the high post in Nash's absence. Howard, meanwhile, is starting to dominate as he did prior to back surgery. Together, they've made the Lakers suddenly dangerous on the offensive glass. If Gasol and Howard click in the high-low game, the Lakers just need a couple of role players to make open shots from the perimeter.
Prediction: Because both teams are so different than they have been much of the season, the numbers tell us less about this series than any other. In fact, we've basically never seen the unit the Lakers hope to put on the floor. According to NBAwowy.com, Nash, Gasol and Howard have been on the floor without Bryant just five total minutes all season. So this series could go any direction. Though the Spurs might have a renewed sense of urgency once the playoffs start, their finish to this season is disturbingly reminiscent of 2011. I think they'll escape this series, but I don't think it will be easy.
San Antonio in 7.
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(3) Denver Nuggets versus (6) Golden State Warriors
Projection: Denver wins 86.0 percent of the time
When Denver has the ball: Hey, remember the NBA in the 1980s? When teams scored 110 points a night and nobody played too much defense? If you loved that, Denver-Golden State is the series for you. Expect up-tempo, entertaining basketball on both ends of the floor. The Nuggets' style is also a throwback because of how relentlessly they attack the basket off the dribble. Basically every perimeter player has been empowered by George Karl to try to get to the paint to score or set up someone else. The Warriors will counter by packing the middle on defense and daring Denver to shoot the ball. Golden State might even go zone for extended stretches. No team allowed more 3-point attempts than the Warriors, though they held opponents to a below-average percentage from beyond the arc. Of course, Denver shot poorly (32.0 percent) from downtown and still swept the season series. So loading the paint might not be enough to stop the Nuggets.
When Golden State has the ball: While Denver has improved defensively, the Nuggets are still vulnerable beyond the arc. They were second in most 3-point attempts by opponents and No. 1 in makes. The Warriors have some fair shooters, including single-season 3-point record holder Stephen Curry, and getting out on them will be paramount. Curry shot 16 of 24 (66.7 percent) during the four head-to-head meetings. Denver did a better job against Klay Thompson, who was held to 31.4 percent beyond the arc. Otherwise, the Nuggets match up well with Golden State on the perimeter, especially since both teams like to finish with a pair of point guards (Curry and Jarrett Jack against Ty Lawson and Andre Miller).
Prediction: Even without injured Danilo Gallinari, Denver is the deeper and more talented team. There's been little sign yet that the Nuggets have missed Gallinari, and the emergence of rookie Evan Fournier gives George Karl yet another weapon in this series. (The long-limbed Fournier might guard Curry at times.) It's hard to see the Warriors winning in Denver, so if the Nuggets can steal a game in the Bay Area, Golden State's return to the postseason might be brief.
Denver in 5.
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(4) Los Angeles Clippers versus (5) Memphis Grizzlies
Projection: L.A. Clippers win 79.4 percent of the time
When the L.A. Clippers have the ball: Don't expect Los Angeles to be Lob City during the course of this series. The Grizzlies' stout defense will take away transition opportunities and force the Clippers to play in the half court. That's not necessarily a terrible thing. According to Synergy Sports, the Clippers rate better in the half court (fifth among all teams in points per play) than transition (12th). (They do score more points in transition, because teams are typically better in transition.) A slow-paced game does mean relying heavily on Chris Paul to create out of the pick-and-roll. Memphis will counter with the league's top perimeter defender, Tony Allen, and also has Mike Conley and Tayshaun Prince to throw at Paul at times. Paul's best scoring game (24 points) actually came in the Grizzlies' lone head-to-head win. But he controlled the game with 12 points and 12 assists last Saturday.
When Memphis has the ball: The action will all be in the frontcourt, but that doesn't mean it will necessarily be down low. When the starting lineups are on the floor, the Grizzlies' best option may be putting Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan in a series of pick-and-rolls to try to free Mike Conley to penetrate. Zach Randolph should have an advantage in the post, too -- especially if the Clippers finish with their smaller frontcourt of Griffin and Lamar Odom, who's their best pick-and-roll defender. The other player to watch for Memphis is sixth man Jerryd Bayless, who has picked up his production playing alongside Conley since the Rudy Gay trade. Bayless went from 12.6 points per 36 minutes before the All-Star break to 16.7 thereafter.
Prediction: Surprised the Clippers are such heavy favorites? Believe it or not, this method would have given them the edge even if Memphis held home-court advantage. Why? First, the Clippers had the superior point differential, finishing third in the league, ahead of both Denver and San Antonio at +6.5 points per game. While you might chalk that up to the Clippers' December streak, they're +5.8 since the All-Star break -- better than Memphis (+5.2). The Clippers also won the season series 3-1, including last Saturday's win at FedExForum that served as the unofficial game one of this series, and last year's playoff matchup. One of the West's top five teams was guaranteed to be eliminated early, and it looks like it's going to be the Grizzlies.
Clippers in 6.
Let's look at them. As a guide, I've provided the projected likelihood of the favorite winning the series based on the historical relationship between the difference in team ability (as measured by point differential) and head-to-head record during the regular season.
(1) Oklahoma City Thunder versus (
Houston RocketsProjection: Oklahoma City wins 87.2 percent of the time
When Oklahoma City has the ball: Omer Asik better get his rest between now and Sunday. Asik is going to be busy throughout this series dealing with Thunder players driving the paint against Houston's porous perimeter defense. During the regular-season series, the Rockets held Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook near their typical production but allowed too many kickouts for open 3s. Kevin Martin and Thabo Sefolosha were the beneficiaries, knocking down a combined 18 triples in the three games. If the outside shots aren't falling, Houston might be able to hang in on D by keeping the Thunder off the line. The Rockets rarely foul, and Oklahoma City shot free throws on 8.8 percent of its plays against them as compared to 11.1 percent overall.
When Houston has the ball: Welcome to the James Harden show. The former Thunder star is likely to show his old team what it's missing, as he did during the regular season, averaging 29.3 points in head-to-head matchups. Harden was able to find his way to the line, helping Houston shoot more total free throws than Oklahoma City in the three games. The Rockets' next two leading scorers against the Thunder were forwards Marcus Morris and Patrick Patterson, both of whom were traded at the deadline. But Houston's lone win over Oklahoma City came the day of that trade, when the short-handed Rockets had little choice but to go small and spread out the Thunder defense.
Prediction: Oklahoma City can't be excited about drawing Houston, one of the strongest eight seeds in recent memory. The Rockets had a better point differential than Golden State, the L.A. Lakers and five of the eight playoff teams in the East. Consistency was Houston's problem throughout the regular season, which is to be expected from a team that relies so heavily on the longball. That's a bad thing when it means losing to Phoenix in a game that would have made the Rockets the seventh seed, but a good thing in a series like this where Houston can win a game or two by getting hot.
Oklahoma City in 6.
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(2) San Antonio Spurs versus (7) Los Angeles Lakers
Projection: San Antonio wins 86.7 percent of the time
When San Antonio has the ball: These two units come into the game in opposite directions. The Spurs have struggled on offense since Tony Parker badly sprained his ankle on March 1. In April, they've actually been substantially worse than average in terms of points per 100 possessions. At the same time, the Lakers have stepped up their defensive effort since Kobe Bryant's injury. Adjusted for opposition, three of their best six defensive performances since November have come with Bryant out of the lineup or playing limited minutes -- the last two games and a March win at Indiana. With Parker alternating good games and terrible ones and Manu Ginobili out of the lineup, San Antonio's only consistent threat has been Tim Duncan.
When the L.A. Lakers have the ball: We saw the game plan on Sunday night when these two teams met at Staples Center. While Steve Nash's return could give Mike D'Antoni more options on offense, the Lakers will want to pound the ball down low to big men Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard. Gasol, healthy at last after a frustrating season, has been a hugely valuable playmaker from the high post in Nash's absence. Howard, meanwhile, is starting to dominate as he did prior to back surgery. Together, they've made the Lakers suddenly dangerous on the offensive glass. If Gasol and Howard click in the high-low game, the Lakers just need a couple of role players to make open shots from the perimeter.
Prediction: Because both teams are so different than they have been much of the season, the numbers tell us less about this series than any other. In fact, we've basically never seen the unit the Lakers hope to put on the floor. According to NBAwowy.com, Nash, Gasol and Howard have been on the floor without Bryant just five total minutes all season. So this series could go any direction. Though the Spurs might have a renewed sense of urgency once the playoffs start, their finish to this season is disturbingly reminiscent of 2011. I think they'll escape this series, but I don't think it will be easy.
San Antonio in 7.
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(3) Denver Nuggets versus (6) Golden State Warriors
Projection: Denver wins 86.0 percent of the time
When Denver has the ball: Hey, remember the NBA in the 1980s? When teams scored 110 points a night and nobody played too much defense? If you loved that, Denver-Golden State is the series for you. Expect up-tempo, entertaining basketball on both ends of the floor. The Nuggets' style is also a throwback because of how relentlessly they attack the basket off the dribble. Basically every perimeter player has been empowered by George Karl to try to get to the paint to score or set up someone else. The Warriors will counter by packing the middle on defense and daring Denver to shoot the ball. Golden State might even go zone for extended stretches. No team allowed more 3-point attempts than the Warriors, though they held opponents to a below-average percentage from beyond the arc. Of course, Denver shot poorly (32.0 percent) from downtown and still swept the season series. So loading the paint might not be enough to stop the Nuggets.
When Golden State has the ball: While Denver has improved defensively, the Nuggets are still vulnerable beyond the arc. They were second in most 3-point attempts by opponents and No. 1 in makes. The Warriors have some fair shooters, including single-season 3-point record holder Stephen Curry, and getting out on them will be paramount. Curry shot 16 of 24 (66.7 percent) during the four head-to-head meetings. Denver did a better job against Klay Thompson, who was held to 31.4 percent beyond the arc. Otherwise, the Nuggets match up well with Golden State on the perimeter, especially since both teams like to finish with a pair of point guards (Curry and Jarrett Jack against Ty Lawson and Andre Miller).
Prediction: Even without injured Danilo Gallinari, Denver is the deeper and more talented team. There's been little sign yet that the Nuggets have missed Gallinari, and the emergence of rookie Evan Fournier gives George Karl yet another weapon in this series. (The long-limbed Fournier might guard Curry at times.) It's hard to see the Warriors winning in Denver, so if the Nuggets can steal a game in the Bay Area, Golden State's return to the postseason might be brief.
Denver in 5.
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(4) Los Angeles Clippers versus (5) Memphis Grizzlies
Projection: L.A. Clippers win 79.4 percent of the time
When the L.A. Clippers have the ball: Don't expect Los Angeles to be Lob City during the course of this series. The Grizzlies' stout defense will take away transition opportunities and force the Clippers to play in the half court. That's not necessarily a terrible thing. According to Synergy Sports, the Clippers rate better in the half court (fifth among all teams in points per play) than transition (12th). (They do score more points in transition, because teams are typically better in transition.) A slow-paced game does mean relying heavily on Chris Paul to create out of the pick-and-roll. Memphis will counter with the league's top perimeter defender, Tony Allen, and also has Mike Conley and Tayshaun Prince to throw at Paul at times. Paul's best scoring game (24 points) actually came in the Grizzlies' lone head-to-head win. But he controlled the game with 12 points and 12 assists last Saturday.
When Memphis has the ball: The action will all be in the frontcourt, but that doesn't mean it will necessarily be down low. When the starting lineups are on the floor, the Grizzlies' best option may be putting Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan in a series of pick-and-rolls to try to free Mike Conley to penetrate. Zach Randolph should have an advantage in the post, too -- especially if the Clippers finish with their smaller frontcourt of Griffin and Lamar Odom, who's their best pick-and-roll defender. The other player to watch for Memphis is sixth man Jerryd Bayless, who has picked up his production playing alongside Conley since the Rudy Gay trade. Bayless went from 12.6 points per 36 minutes before the All-Star break to 16.7 thereafter.
Prediction: Surprised the Clippers are such heavy favorites? Believe it or not, this method would have given them the edge even if Memphis held home-court advantage. Why? First, the Clippers had the superior point differential, finishing third in the league, ahead of both Denver and San Antonio at +6.5 points per game. While you might chalk that up to the Clippers' December streak, they're +5.8 since the All-Star break -- better than Memphis (+5.2). The Clippers also won the season series 3-1, including last Saturday's win at FedExForum that served as the unofficial game one of this series, and last year's playoff matchup. One of the West's top five teams was guaranteed to be eliminated early, and it looks like it's going to be the Grizzlies.
Clippers in 6.
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In other words you're not ignoring his attempts, you're just ignoring that a three is worth more than a two.
Except that doesn't usually happen. During this 21-game stretch since March 1st that you keep harping on, he's had as many shot attempts as points 3 times.At the end of the night, if he's 6/24, 8/25, etc. for 25 points that isn't goodthat's chucking.
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I think Frank is a lot better than Byron Scott.
I've hated Byron Scott as a coach ever since he barely played Mutumbo in the 2003 Finals against the Spurs. He left him rotting on the bench in that series in favor of Jason Collins :x , and this was against Robinson and Duncan. Mutumbo went on to have some good years with Houston after this, so I know he definitely would have done a better job than Collins in that series.
I've hated Byron Scott as a coach ever since he barely played Mutumbo in the 2003 Finals against the Spurs. He left him rotting on the bench in that series in favor of Jason Collins :x , and this was against Robinson and Duncan. Mutumbo went on to have some good years with Houston after this, so I know he definitely would have done a better job than Collins in that series.
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obviously you bring in or lure other FA's after unloading all that salary in addition to OJ maybe Granger.
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Oh well hell, get rid of Kobe and Pau for OJ AND Granger, that makes it look much better, yes. Yes, cuz that sounds exactly like something the LA Lakers would do.
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Oh well hell, get rid of Kobe and Pau for OJ AND Granger, that makes it look much better, yes. Yes, cuz that sounds exactly like something the LA Lakers would do.
I said maybe
One thing for sure that bench needs to be upgraded if nothing else happens.
not my team not my problem but the current group in place even with a healthy kobester won't get that far in the playoffs.
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