Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[datznasty]

You can amnesty him yes, but you can't amnesty him and then say "I just opened up 30 mil in cap space" and go sign Josh Smith and John Wall to max contracts in his stead. You can only use the MLE since you are over the cap, so again you aren't going to bring in anybody of consequence and you just opened up the possibility of losing Kobe to another team, and even if you don't lose him to another team, you haven't gained anything because you still have to pay his salary but it just comes off of your cap, which you are still over anyways.

You literally gain nothing from it.

And I am not sure you can amnesty a player then reclaim him but I am trying to find the exact writing on that

 

[dat dude chris]

I just want to make sure I'm clear on something. My whole thought process behind them thinking about anmestying Kobe is that if they were too, they could take that 30 Mil off the cap books and maybe get one or two guys for next season, then come 2014 resign Kobe for significantly less money and keep all the guys. Is that no good?

Obviously they should anmesty him under any circumstances because the backlash would be astronomical but still.


So it can happen, as long as I know I wasnt wrong about it I'm fine, you guys just dont agree with it.

Kobe aint sitting out a year and nor is he signing for less money. Significantly less money would be an understatement too. Dude is making 30 mil next year and if they sign him again his salary would be in the single digit mils, thats a 20+ mil pay decrease :x
And like DatZ said they would have sign role players to replace him. 2 above average role players arent gonna replace Kobes productivity once he comes back next season...

 

[CP1708]

Antidope, think of it this way.

If the cap is 70 mil, and we were AT 70 mil, and amnestied Kobe, then you have something. Now we have cap space.

We're at 100, take away the 30, we're still AT the cap (rough estimates here). Meaning, how do we sign players while already at or over the damn thing? That don't work.

You can sign the little guys, the 1.2 million dollar deals, the mini MLE, or portions of that, or injury exceptions, etc. But 2-3 10 million dollar contracts? No sir. Not possible.

But Dland makes it sound like Disneyland, so maybe in that world we can do that ****. Just not in reality.

But hey, best thing for everybody.

 

[CP1708]

And I am not sure you can amnesty a player then reclaim him but I am trying to find the exact writing on that

Dland mentioned it earlier, length of the deal. So for Kobe, 1 year. Scola was like 3-4 years, so he can't go back. Roy was 4 years.

 

[denni5themenace]

people shouldn't talk about the salary cap if they don't know the rules

 

[dland24]

The Lakers roster right now (top to bottom) is horrible, yet top heavy. Its not a good all around team. There is NO QUESTION that players need to be added to this team in the offseason. If the Lakers are not trying exceed the salary cap by even more than they have this year (and subsequently pay an even higher luxury tax), amnestying Kobe would allow them to use that same $30M that Kobe makes to sign other players. NO, the Lakers arent necessarily saving money here. But they would be able to add more players without increasing their luxury tax amount to be paid. Make sense?

How do you add players above the salary cap in the range of 30 mil? Even less than that, 20 mil? 15 mil? Tell me how the Lakers can add 15-20-30 million dollars worth of salary, even after amnestying Kobe. Cuz you think that's possible. Tell me how it works. How do we sign multiple players while already over the salary cap, AFTER the amnsety?

That takes care of your "best thing for the Lakers" part of the argument.

By amnestying Kobe, it gives the Lakers the ability to use the midlevel exception, the biannual exception and to complete sign and trade deals. Thats how.

As for "best for Kobe" You want him to sit out an entire year, to then sign back with the Lakers. Except we lose his Bird rights, meaning we are not allowed to go over the cap to sign him (remember that cap thing you are ignoring by amnesting Kobe and signing 30 mil in other players?) and so Kobe can only sign for 2.5 million dollars.

2.5

Sit out a year, then sign for two and a half million dollars. Best thing for Kobe.

First of all, me saying the best thing for Kobe had to do with his health, not padding his pockets. You are right. Kobe making $2.5M is not the best thing for him financially. But are we really talking about Kobe's finances here? I was talking about him being back at optimal health. And who knows, MAYBE Kobe would be willing to play for a small salary if it meant that it gave him the best chance of winning another title?

Other teams under the cap can sign him for up to 30 mil. (not that they would, but they could)

Whereas if we don't amnesty him, he comes back whenever, Dec, Jan, Feb, plays out his final year, and if he wants to keep playing after that, with everyone else off the books, he can sign for 10 mil. 15 mil, 12.5, 7.8, 11.6 whatever number, but more than the 2.5 we can offer him without his bird rights.

So again, tell me more. Please.

This is the only part of what you wrote that I am unclear about. So please, educate me here (not being sarcastic at all). Why do you need his bird rights in my scenario? You claim that all this money is coming off the books before the 2014-15. Why is it that you couldnt just sign Kobe to whatever contract thats decided on ($5M, $10M, $15M...whatever)? Arent bird rights only important for getting around going over the cap?

 

[licensed to ball]

Hope any of you dudes who had previous questions or concerns over the salary cap and amnesty clause had your notebook and pen out during the last few pages

Dat Education

 

[franco23x]

Amnesty kobe then he goes to Mia and lbj/kobe/wade end up with 3 hunna rings

 

[worldbeefreeg]

So if the Clips lose in the 1st round this year/get swept out the playoffs again we just going to give CP3 a pass again or nah?

 

[ohmygosher]

"**** free throws, man."

I think he's saying "follow through man".

>.

 

[CP1708]

Man, you want us to amnesty Kobe so we can use the mid level exception? Say that out loud to yourself bruh. Don't make no damn sense.
And as I stated, even cutting Kobe, still over the cap, ie, no sign and trades.

As for Bird rights, it allows us to sign our own players to any amount of money over the cap within the max range. Plus to longer terms. Same with Dwight. Reason we have the edge with Dwight is we can give him a FULL max deal, say 5 years 100 mil, where Houston could only give him 4 years, 80 mil or whatever. (not those exact numbers, I'm using estimates).

Same with Kobe. To sign him in 2014 if we amnesty him, all we could use is that magical mid level you want us to use so badly next year. If we don't cut him, he comes back "healthy" at 35, plays out his deal, and says I want to keep going, even if we are over the cap, because he is OUR player, and not a free agent, we can sign him to 10-20-30 mil etc. Obviously we wouldn't give him 30 mil, but we could. Not other team has that option in their arsenal.

 

[pmatic]

You guys need to do research, man. The Lakers will not amnesty Kobe. It would be a PR nightmare. Whether it's worth it or not, Kobe will attempt to return next season.

But just to entertain the idea, amnestying Kobe doesn't help much outside of the finances. It would save them $30 million on the cap ($85 million overall when you count taxes). They're at $79 million for next season, and that's without re-signing Dwight. Re-signing Dwight, then amnestying Kobe and they're still at about $70 million.Guess what? They would still be relegated to using the mini-MLE. They wouldn't even get the opportunity to use the full MLE (which would hardcap the team). Amnestying Kobe also means the Lakers would renounce his Bird Rights. Meaning they can only sign Kobe to $2.5 million in the summer of 2014. You think Kobe is going to rehab like a maniac these next 6-9 months (which is being optimistic) to only want a $2.5 million paycheck in 2015?

 

[CP1708]

So if the Clips lose in the 1st round this year/get swept out the playoffs again we just going to give CP3 a pass again or nah?

Kev gon kick your *** when he sees this.

Depends how he plays I guess. He was injured last year, wasn't really fair. If he's healthier this year, they should be in better shape.

 

[CP1708]

You guys need to do research, man. The Lakers will not amnesty Kobe. It would be a PR nightmare. Whether it's worth it or not, Kobe will attempt to return next season.

But just to entertain the idea, amnestying Kobe doesn't help much outside of the finances. It would save them $30 million on the cap ($85 million overall when you count taxes). They're at $79 million for next season, and that's without re-signing Dwight. Re-signing Dwight, then amnestying Kobe and they're still at about $70 million.Guess what? They would still be relegated to using the mini-MLE. They wouldn't even get the opportunity to use the full MLE (which would hardcap the team). Amnestying Kobe also means the Lakers would renounce his Bird Rights. Meaning they can only sign Kobe to $2.5 million in the summer of 2014. You think Kobe is going to rehab like a maniac these next 6-9 months (which is being optimistic) to only want a $2.5 million paycheck in 2015?

Man, where the hell you been? Why you and Essential leave me in here typin a damn fool while you two sippin somethin? **** man, I been paddlin all by myself in here, lonely and ****. Had to have an OKC fan back me.

I'm goin on break, you type for a while.

 

[thadocta]

amnesty kobe and lose their fanbase aka their source of income. lol people will believe anything

 

[dland24]

Man, you want us to amnesty Kobe so we can use the mid level exception? Say that out loud to yourself bruh. Don't make no damn sense.
And as I stated, even cutting Kobe, still over the cap, ie, no sign and trades.

As for Bird rights, it allows us to sign our own players to any amount of money over the cap within the max range. Plus to longer terms. Same with Dwight. Reason we have the edge with Dwight is we can give him a FULL max deal, say 5 years 100 mil, where Houston could only give him 4 years, 80 mil or whatever. (not those exact numbers, I'm using estimates).

Same with Kobe. To sign him in 2014 if we amnesty him, all we could use is that magical mid level you want us to use so badly next year. If we don't cut him, he comes back "healthy" at 35, plays out his deal, and says I want to keep going, even if we are over the cap, because he is OUR player, and not a free agent, we can sign him to 10-20-30 mil etc. Obviously we wouldn't give him 30 mil, but we could. Not other team has that option in their arsenal.

Why though? Why are you only able to use the mid level exception on Kobe in 2014, if there are a ton of players coming off the books that you claim there are?

And you saying amnestying Kobe JUST to use the mid-level is putting it the most basic, short sighted terms possible. Again, I am going on the assumption that Kobe will be back in 2014....so NO, you wouldnt JUST be using the mid level in 2013-14.....you would be using it, using the biannual, AND getting Kobe back the following year.

Is Kobe THAT greedy that you think he wouldnt sign for anything less than $30M in 2014?

 

[cash money 1999]

Bolded makes sense. Do you know this from experience

some random dude on reddit mentioned it , seemed credible enough lmao

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

You amnesty Kobe, the Lakers lose huge merchandise sales with his name. No way Lakers are going to amnesty Kobe.

 

[Bert.]

You amnesty Kobe, the Lakers lose huge merchandise sales with his name. No way Lakers are going to amnesty Kobe.

They still sell the stuff

but he will be back next season so its a moot point really

 

[antidope]

You can amnesty him yes, but you can't amnesty him and then say "I just opened up 30 mil in cap space" and go sign Josh Smith and John Wall to max contracts in his stead. You can only use the MLE since you are over the cap, so again you aren't going to bring in anybody of consequence and you just opened up the possibility of losing Kobe to another team, and even if you don't lose him to another team, you haven't gained anything because you still have to pay his salary but it just comes off of your cap, which you are still over anyways.

You literally gain nothing from it.

And I am not sure you can amnesty a player then reclaim him but I am trying to find the exact writing on that

Antidope, think of it this way.

If the cap is 70 mil, and we were AT 70 mil, and amnestied Kobe, then you have something. Now we have cap space.

We're at 100, take away the 30, we're still AT the cap (rough estimates here). Meaning, how do we sign players while already at or over the damn thing? That don't work.

You can sign the little guys, the 1.2 million dollar deals, the mini MLE, or portions of that, or injury exceptions, etc. But 2-3 10 million dollar contracts? No sir. Not possible.

But Dland makes it sound like Disneyland, so maybe in that world we can do that ****. Just not in reality.

But hey, best thing for everybody.

I knew this, I wasn't expecting them to go land a star in fact kevin Martin was the name I had in mind. He's exactly what that team needs Imo.

In regards to Kobe signing back to the MLE I honestly think he would. These are all random speculations from me. I appreciate all the insight though.

I'm not 100% knowledgeable about the cap, I learned some things.

 

[essential1]

This amnesty Kobe conversation is nonsense..


Let's just start from this premise... You amnesty Kobe.. You lose the amnesty for Pau or MWP.. Chances are if you trade either you get a terrible trade.. So not only did you lose the best player on your team, and best player at his position, you took a deal for 10 cents on the dollar.. They won't do both... And if you lose Kobe, you sure as hell can't lose Pau as well.

So let's look at the roster

Dwight $20 mil
Pau $19.2mil
Nash $9.3mil
MWP $7.72 mil
Blake $4mil
Hill $3.56 mil

Those 6 players alone are over the cap.. $63.78mil.

So now they have $10mil... Before they hit luxury tax.. Only resource they have is a $5mil Mid-Level Exception and Veteran's Minimum Deals.

They are not allowed to spend $1 over $74mil if they use the Mid-Level Exception..


Absolutely awful idea to amnesty Kobe.

 

[Bert.]

Amnesty kobe then he goes to Mia and lbj/kobe/wade end up with 3 hunna rings

yea.... Kobe would never do that. EVER

 

[MVP]

Lol what a bunch of nonsense. Only way it would make remotely any sense to amnesty Bean is if the Lakers got rid of Pau for some cheap pieces as well. Then we'd actually have some cap room for the upcoming season. Impossible to geta Kevin Martin type player even if Kobe was out the entire season for the mini-MLE.

But since he'll be back by Christmas anyway, save it. Pay the tax next year. Go into the of offseason of 2014 with hopefully just D12 on the books (Nash should retire), have the cap space to sign another max player (ie Bron, Melo, etc.)and still be able to bring Kobe back for his last few seasons as a Laker even if you're over the cap because you retained his bird rights.

 

[CP1708]

Dland, I get what you're asking, but it has something to do with the language of how it all plays out. If he's amnestied, then he's sitting out the entire year (in theory) because if he signs with another team, it wouldn't be for just the one year. So we'd be asking him to sit the year, save our money, then come back and sign without his bird rights. Yes we have cap space the next year, but we will still hit the tax next year even without Kobe. Something in that language prevents him signing a full deal with us. Maybe the sitting out a year, I don't know. I'm just telling you what's been said, reported, talked about in terms of the clause for our usage.

 

[iheartboost]

Amnesty Kobe?

Mother nature will drop the big one on LA County, riots will break out here, LA will fall off into the pacific ocean,The movie 'This Is The End' is really about Kobe Bryant being amnesty

All jokes aside, it won't happen, AND Kobe will NOT play for any other team, he would retire before reupping with another squad. He's not bleeding for money to play for another team. He's good.