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I missed the Gina fight.
That Kimbo fight looked ugly, in every conceivable way.
That Kimbo fight looked ugly, in every conceivable way.
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Originally Posted by heyson
This was horrible for the sport. That fight was obviously fixed. Thompson could have easily passed from side control to mount and end the fight, yet he never attempted to. Thompson could have easily passed Kimbo's half guard and mounted him, yet he never did. That was THE worst jiu jitsu I have ever seen in my life. Put Kimbo in the cage with a real fighter, in a real organization, and we will see the outcome.
heyson:
my girl could have mounted him.
Originally Posted by MonopolyMan630
Just got back from my homies house and am still pretty drunk but I'm going to try to put a coherent statement together.
-No girl is beating Gina right now. Too much skill and not enough competition from what I've seen. Although, I"m pretty disappointed sje didn't make weight.
-Robbie Lawler aint that good. The reason he's a champion in EliteXC is because he couldn't make it in the UFC.
-The Kimbo fight was most def. fixed. The ref should have stopped it at the end of the 2nd round. I think I saw 8-10 elbow/punches to the head when Thompson had side control and Kimbo's arm locked down.
I'm just saying that Thompson seemed to have intentionally passed on many many opportunities.
Because Thompson doesn't know much else on the ground then Kimbo. He just looks to bang away. Dude doesn't give a !@%* about position. While Idon't completely disagree that the fight was fixed, the reasoning you gave isn't a great reason. If it was thrown on Thompson's behalf he wouldhave never made Kimbo look that bad. If anything Monopolyman had a better reason to say why the fight is fixed.
Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000
Originally Posted by MonopolyMan630
Just got back from my homies house and am still pretty drunk but I'm going to try to put a coherent statement together.
-No girl is beating Gina right now. Too much skill and not enough competition from what I've seen. Although, I"m pretty disappointed sje didn't make weight.
-Robbie Lawler aint that good. The reason he's a champion in EliteXC is because he couldn't make it in the UFC.
-The Kimbo fight was most def. fixed. The ref should have stopped it at the end of the 2nd round. I think I saw 8-10 elbow/punches to the head when Thompson had side control and Kimbo's arm locked down.
Robbie is a good fighter. Scott just got better. He is 10x the fighter he was in the UFC. MUCH more under control and he's actually boxing now instead of throwing wild punches (even though he still has a tendency to do that, but what fighter doesn't).
I'm just saying that Thompson seemed to have intentionally passed on many many opportunities.
Originally Posted by super roach
UGH
Originally Posted by MonopolyMan630
I'll give you Robbie is a better fighter than he was when he was fighting in the UFC. But still, hell, Nick Diaz would still be able to beat him right now. I would even say Cung Le would beat him right now.
Originally Posted by doyung9
here's what I think after watching the show
- The Carano fight was a legitimate stoppage for two reasons. 1. young's face was bad. like possibly broken eye socket kind of bad. 2. network television, so we're not gonna see her get pounded anymore, considering her face looked like lunch meat.
- If Lawler's opponent (I can't think of his name) really said "I can't see" twice, then he almost asked for that stoppage. A doctor, like stated before, is not going to let you get slaughtered on network tv, especially if you can't see the punches coming.
- Lastly, the Kimbo fight. Well, how do I view it? Honestly, controversial at best. You could say they stood them up fairly early. Also, you could say the referee should have stopped the fight at the end of the 2nd. You could also say that he stopped it too early in the 3rd. However, for all of those arguments, you can argue back that neither man was improving position on the ground, because face it, neither is an mma wizard. Also, let's be honest, Thompson was throwing those elbows with the velocity of a 2 year old. The two-three times the ref warned to stop it, Kimbo would move his arm/head, not much, but he was moving. 3rd, ugh, the ear was gross. Kimbo busted that open, and to be honest, it looked like he was bleeding from INSIDE the ear, and if that's the case, I don't think I blame him for stopping it, after JT took 3-4 more clean shots. Correct me if I'm wrong, but bleeding from inside the ear is a really, really bad sign, so I'd understand them not wanting a fighter to go deaf, once again on network tv. Also, from watching the replay on dvr, it appeared that Thompson was out on his feet, eyes in the back of the head, so I'll give that HORRIBLE referee that.
Like I said, it was an UGLY fight, with an UGLY end. oh yeah, and an ugly ear.
Originally Posted by heyson
So you guys are trying to tell me that passing someone's guard and mounting them is high level jiu jitsu? Especially when they are not defending it?
'll give you Robbie is a better fighter than he was when he was fighting in the UFC. But still, hell, Nick Diaz would still be able to beat him right now. I would even say Cung Le would beat him right now.
He's too big for Nick now. Robbie has bulked up since he's been at 185. He would bully Nick. Cung Le would not beat him right now. Robbiehas good wrestling, and if he wanted to he can control Cung on the ground. Frank has just too much of an ego and tried to stand with Cung. Robbie's handsare no joke either. Robbie would be the best striker and fighter Cung has fought so far in his MMA career.
However, for all of those arguments, you can argue back that neither man was improving position on the ground, because face it, neither is an mma wizard. Also, let's be honest, Thompson was throwing those elbows with the velocity of a 2 year old. The two-three times the ref warned to stop it, Kimbo would move his arm/head, not much, but he was moving.
Thompson was on top and didn't need to improve position. He was on top. Kimbo didn't do anything to improve his position then. Regardlesshow hard he was throwing them, Kimbo still needs to show something from the bottom.