OFFICIAL GAME OF THRONES THREAD | HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Premieres 8.21.22 | OFFICIAL TRAILER REVEALED

[extraordinary swag]

so just to be clear

you have a legitimate heir to the throne in jon snow/aegon targaryen

you also have gendry, who was the bastard son of robert who got legitimatized by the queen of all those who were present

and in their little meeting, at no point, did any of these people suggest either of them?

what I want to know is if anyone at the meeting sans Tyrion, Arya, Bran and Sansa knew about Jon's true heritage? They didn't mention it at all, had they done so then it would make sense why it wouldn't be a good idea to throw yet another Targaryen up on that throne seeing what just happened with Dany and previously with her father. But of course the writers just left that on out which would have made the scene a million times better instead of just Tyrion pulling that Bran's should be king nonsense out his ***.

BTW, all that mess GRRM talked about his story not going the LOTR route, that was such a lie . There's a bunch of obvious parallels

 

[extraordinary swag]

bro **** d&d!

the guy playing Brown Benioff NAILED it

 

[sfc415]

Soooo good lmao

"We spent countless seconds scouring the page and literally clicked on the first fan theory we saw. We immediately knew we had to shove it into the show. Immediately"

"Jamie kind of forgot his character development from the past 8 seasons. We wanted the moment of the rocks falling on the Lannister siblings to be one of the single most disappointing moments of the entire series. "

"We also wanted the audience to feel like, that we, as the writers, had also forgotten about any and all understanding of these characters."

So many quotables

 

[freeze]

Is this your king?

 

[Xennial]

Westeros is going to be worst off with this new small council than it would've been under Dany. Like yeah house Targaryen took a L in this finale but Westeros took the bigger L with this new Master of Coin who didn't even understand the concept of loan and interest in season 2 already ready to rebuild the brothels of KL first before infrastructure. The entire idea that killing innocents on the enemy side is "wrong" or a reason to abandon or murder a monarch does actually not fit very well with the overall setting of Westeros. No nobleman ever condemned another nobleman for the suffering or killing of innocent people in war. Sure, there are less accepted and more accepted ways of how to butcher, exploit, and kill the smallfolk, but none of that is likely to turn people against a ruler.

Dany can be cruel, but it's not cruelty that's out of the ordinary for either the world that the show runners created, or the world of the books, or the kind of societies that they are based on. This is a world in which the "good guys" can feed people their own children, gouge out eyes before slitting throats, feed people to dogs, behead shell-shocked soldiers etc. Dany fits into that world. But, for some reason, from the middle of series 7 onwards, her advisors are increasingly shocked by her behaviour. So, they plot against her, and reasonably enough, she punishes them. And punishing them is then used as justification for treating her as a villain. Varys repeatedly betrayed her, before trying to poison her. What medieval monarch would not put someone to death who did that? On top of that, Sansa is constantly trying to bring her down.

So, then we get to the massacre in Kings Landing. A horrendous deed, by our modern standards, but not by the standards established in this world. The city refused to surrender, and Cersei beheaded her best friend. Any city would expect to be sacked once her army broke in, and all of the armies were happy to participate in the sack.

i dont see why it matters

 

[SC kid]

 

[hand2handking]

Westeros is going to be worst off with this new small council than it would've been under Dany. Like yeah house Targaryen took a L in this finale but Westeros took the bigger L with this new Master of Coin who didn't even understand the concept of loan and interest in season 2 already ready to rebuild the brothels of KL first before infrastructure. The entire idea that killing innocents on the enemy side is "wrong" or a reason to abandon or murder a monarch does actually not fit very well with the overall setting of Westeros. No nobleman ever condemned another nobleman for the suffering or killing of innocent people in war. Sure, there are less accepted and more accepted ways of how to butcher, exploit, and kill the smallfolk, but none of that is likely to turn people against a ruler.

Dany can be cruel, but it's not cruelty that's out of the ordinary for either the world that the show runners created, or the world of the books, or the kind of societies that they are based on. This is a world in which the "good guys" can feed people their own children, gouge out eyes before slitting throats, feed people to dogs, behead shell-shocked soldiers etc. Dany fits into that world. But, for some reason, from the middle of series 7 onwards, her advisors are increasingly shocked by her behaviour. So, they plot against her, and reasonably enough, she punishes them. And punishing them is then used as justification for treating her as a villain. Varys repeatedly betrayed her, before trying to poison her. What medieval monarch would not put someone to death who did that? On top of that, Sansa is constantly trying to bring her down.

So, then we get to the massacre in Kings Landing. A horrendous deed, by our modern standards, but not by the standards established in this world. The city refused to surrender, and Cersei beheaded her best friend. Any city would expect to be sacked once her army broke in, and all of the armies were happy to participate in the sack.

thank you!

i really think its because she was a woman ppl find any and every reason to condemn her

and i think its because she was so powerful it breeds resentment

 

[Black Lotus]

yall really aint got **** to do but argue with this lame...

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Still?!

 

[hand2handking]

yall really aint got **** to do but argue with this lame...

lemme get u started

 

[wuchi01]

i dont see why it matters

You have this interesting habit of self projecting and attaching real life personal faith to this Series characters i.e. Unsullied as your own. Ever think about Right/Wrong and when the Powers that be run out of other People to destroy and then come for you? Or is this Animal Farm and All are Equal, but Some are more Equal.

 

[hand2handking]

 

[hand2handking]

You have this interesting habit of self projecting and attaching real life personal faith to this Series characters i.e. Unsullied as your own. Ever think about Right/Wrong and when the Powers that be run out of other People to destroy and then come for you? Or is this Animal Farm and All are Equal, but Some are more Equal.

man what? i am/was a fan of the show thats all

projecting? stop

how you gonna ask me about the "powers that be" and in the same breath say im projecting?

this is a made up tv show im not thinking in terms of dany coming to kill me personally or being caught in a battle

 

[Barbados Slim]

Westeros is going to be worst off with this new small council than it would've been under Dany. Like yeah house Targaryen took a L in this finale but Westeros took the bigger L with this new Master of Coin who didn't even understand the concept of loan and interest in season 2 already ready to rebuild the brothels of KL first before infrastructure. The entire idea that killing innocents on the enemy side is "wrong" or a reason to abandon or murder a monarch does actually not fit very well with the overall setting of Westeros. No nobleman ever condemned another nobleman for the suffering or killing of innocent people in war. Sure, there are less accepted and more accepted ways of how to butcher, exploit, and kill the smallfolk, but none of that is likely to turn people against a ruler.

Dany can be cruel, but it's not cruelty that's out of the ordinary for either the world that the show runners created, or the world of the books, or the kind of societies that they are based on. This is a world in which the "good guys" can feed people their own children, gouge out eyes before slitting throats, feed people to dogs, behead shell-shocked soldiers etc. Dany fits into that world. But, for some reason, from the middle of series 7 onwards, her advisors are increasingly shocked by her behaviour. So, they plot against her, and reasonably enough, she punishes them. And punishing them is then used as justification for treating her as a villain. Varys repeatedly betrayed her, before trying to poison her. What medieval monarch would not put someone to death who did that? On top of that, Sansa is constantly trying to bring her down.

So, then we get to the massacre in Kings Landing. A horrendous deed, by our modern standards, but not by the standards established in this world. The city refused to surrender, and Cersei beheaded her best friend. Any city would expect to be sacked once her army broke in, and all of the armies were happy to participate in the sack.

Huh? They called Aery's mad for burning just a few people alive. Danny roasted a whole city.
I haven't read the history of westeros but was there one other time that a person killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people at a clip? And were not talking soldiers. We are talking men women and children that are not fighting. And if it has happened did the people call that person mad or crazy? Pretty much everyone in Westeros felt the red wedding was out of line just because they broke guest right but massacring a city isn't "a horrendous deed" by there standards? Would the people turn against the ruler? you're right, probably not. In Danny's case there's no way they could so they have no choice but to accept it and move on. Doesn't mean what she did was ok in there eyes.

 

[hand2handking]

Huh? They called Aery's mad for burning just a few people alive. Danny roasted a whole city.
I haven't read the history of westeros but was there one other time that a person killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people at a clip? And were not talking soldiers. We are talking men women and children that are not fighting. And if it has happened did the people call that person mad or crazy? Pretty much everyone in Westeros felt the red wedding was out of line just because they broke guest right but massacring a city isn't "a horrendous deed" by there standards? Would the people turn against the ruler? you're right, probably not. In Danny's case there's no way they could so they have no choice but to accept it and move on. Doesn't mean what she did was ok in there eyes.

you cant bring up ppl being horrified at the red wedding and guest right when that event ended guest right in westeros and ppl became more guarded after

ppl didnt uphold guest right after the red wedding by choice, and fear

cersei killed her people where was the man to kill her because she so dangerous?

and theres this

• When Jon Snow comes to treat with King-Beyond-the-Wall Mance Rayder during the Battle of Castle Black, Mance shares food and drink with him, and they even toast those on both sides who fell in the heavy fighting the night before. Mance then sees Jon eyeing a cooking knife, and quickly deduces that Jon's real reason for coming was to assassinate Mance, knowing full well that even if he succeeded he would never make it out of the camp alive. Mance is stunned that this is what the Night's Watch has come to, and asks if Jon would really kill a man under parley who shared food and drink with him. Given that Jon's own half-brother Robb Stark was murdered in an unthinkable violation of guest right, Mance's accusation stings Jon deeply, and he hesitates for a tense moment. However, before Jon can actually violate guest right, they are interrupted by the surprise arrival of Stannis Baratheon's army.[8]

 

[Doom.]

THIS **** HAS ME HOLLERING

 

[Barbados Slim]

you cant bring up ppl being horrified at the red wedding and guest right when that event ended guest right in westeros and ppl became more guarded after

ppl didnt uphold guest right after the red wedding by choice, and fear

cersei killed her people where was the man to kill her because she so dangerous?

and theres this

Where are you getting this from? How has guest right ended? Even if it has whether people uphold it or not anymore isn't the point. People thought that was awful hence the Rat Cook story.

I don't get your Cersei point. The High Sparrow tried to giver her justice for her crime via trial and she killed a bunch of people to avoid it. The common folk most likely thought that was awful but they're just common folk. Out of fear they did nothing. If the Hound let Arya go she would have served her justice.

 

[hand2handking]

 

[hand2handking]

Where are you getting this from? How has guest right ended? Even if it has whether people uphold it or not anymore isn't the point. People thought that was awful hence the Rat Cook story.

I don't get your Cersei point. The High Sparrow tried to giver her justice for her crime via trial and she killed a bunch of people to avoid it. The common folk most likely thought that was awful but they're just common folk. Out of fear they did nothing. If the Hound let Arya go she would have served her justice.

the rat cook was before the red wedding and the reason guest right was respected

its in the book subtly that after the red wedding ppl became more guarded about it i think its on the asoiaf wiki

so how is it the common folk are so important when dany kills them she has to die immediately, but when cersei does she gets to reign for the next three seasons?

and the hound said what he said but he didnt/couldnt prevent arya physically if thats what she wanted to do

writers made her b up at the last second, but even still cersei was given every chance to surrender since dany's arrival to westeros

that sacking of KL didnt happen in 5 minutes it was time in between the long night and when cersei beheaded missandei

 

[Barbados Slim]

hand2handking exactly. Both thought it was messed up and still doesn't mean guest right is out of the window.

 

[hand2handking]

no but youre trying to conflate the disrespect of guest right to the murder of "innocents"

while not respecting guest right is bad, custom will say that what dany did was in a war and what cersei did was during peacetime

 

[bruce negro]

Westeros is going to be worst off with this new small council than it would've been under Dany. Like yeah house Targaryen took a L in this finale but Westeros took the bigger L with this new Master of Coin who didn't even understand the concept of loan and interest in season 2 already ready to rebuild the brothels of KL first before infrastructure. The entire idea that killing innocents on the enemy side is "wrong" or a reason to abandon or murder a monarch does actually not fit very well with the overall setting of Westeros. No nobleman ever condemned another nobleman for the suffering or killing of innocent people in war. Sure, there are less accepted and more accepted ways of how to butcher, exploit, and kill the smallfolk, but none of that is likely to turn people against a ruler.

Dany can be cruel, but it's not cruelty that's out of the ordinary for either the world that the show runners created, or the world of the books, or the kind of societies that they are based on. This is a world in which the "good guys" can feed people their own children, gouge out eyes before slitting throats, feed people to dogs, behead shell-shocked soldiers etc. Dany fits into that world. But, for some reason, from the middle of series 7 onwards, her advisors are increasingly shocked by her behaviour. So, they plot against her, and reasonably enough, she punishes them. And punishing them is then used as justification for treating her as a villain. Varys repeatedly betrayed her, before trying to poison her. What medieval monarch would not put someone to death who did that? On top of that, Sansa is constantly trying to bring her down.

So, then we get to the massacre in Kings Landing. A horrendous deed, by our modern standards, but not by the standards established in this world. The city refused to surrender, and Cersei beheaded her best friend. Any city would expect to be sacked once her army broke in, and all of the armies were happy to participate in the sack.

The city DID surrender, and I think that made it a HUGE deal that she burned everyone alive after the surrender. Man, woman, child. Everyone.

 

[hand2handking]

didnt nobody give a f about the ppl of KL before dany burned them all

even before the battle, nobody said damn i hope no townpeople get killed in this battle

nobody gave a f when tywin killed them, nor cersei

but now theyre the golden standard by which rulers are judged

 

[Barbados Slim]

the rat cook was before the red wedding and the reason guest right was respected

its in the book subtly that after the red wedding ppl became more guarded about it i think its on the asoiaf wiki

so how is it the common folk are so important when dany kills them she has to die immediately, but when cersei does she gets to reign for the next three seasons?

and the hound said what he said but he didnt/couldnt prevent arya physically if thats what she wanted to do

writers made her b up at the last second, but even still cersei was given every chance to surrender since dany's arrival to westeros

that sacking of KL didnt happen in 5 minutes it was time in between the long night and when cersei beheaded missandei

I know it was before the wedding but the purpose of bran telling the story after was to drive home the point that not only was murder wrong, but murdering a guest under your roof is unforgivable. Anyway my main point was if people thought that was messed up then clearly what Danny did was in their eyes given the history of westeros or the world they live in.

As for the bold part it's bad writing which is what %99 of us have been saying for weeks brah.
Danny didn't have to die right away after what she did, but like Cersie, she had to go eventually and there was just one ep left. People have wanted Cersie to catch the fade for awhile. We were just wondering how it was gonna go down. If there were more episodes after Danny did what she did and she lived, I doubt people would be as upset... Although there are a ton of other things to be mad about.

 

[had pants]