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I'm new to a lot of kettle bell work, explain the difference in Russian vs American?

Here's a solid write up on the "debate":

The Great Kettlebell Swing Debate
Written by C.J. Martin
Quite a few folks following our Competition programming have been wondering whether kettlebell swings should be performed as American Swings, Russian Swings or a hybrid. I have procrastinated an answer for long enough, so here it comes . . .
IT DEPENDS.
(I know, the least satisfying answer ever . . . but almost always the most accurate and best.)
Let’s take a look at the traditional American and Russian swings first, and then talk about how to determine which of those is best for you, or if there is a hybrid option that might work better.
The Russian Swing
The Russian swing starts with the kettlebell just below the groin (above the knees) and is swung to chest level – approximately a 90-degree angle to the torso. The movement is short, brisk and compact. It is a hip-hinge movement, with roughly 20-degrees (or less) of flexion at the knee. The power of the swing is generated from the hips while the spine is held perfectly stable and neutral. At the apex of the swing, the bell is at chest level, and the athlete’s glutes are contracted, quads are engaged (pulling the knees up), belly is rock solid and braced for impact, and lats are actively pulling the shoulders away from the ears. Additionally, the Russian swing should be performed with rhythmic diaphragmatic breathing – filling the abdomen on the downswing and forcefully expelling through the teeth, while bracing the belly, at the top of the swing.
The American Swing
The American swing should differ from the traditional Russian swing only in the finish position. The mechanics of the swing itself should be identical – the bell should pass just below the groin, there should be no more than 20 degrees of knee flexion, the hips should generate the power, the glutes should contract hard, the quads should engage to pull the knees up, and the belly should be rock solid. The difference is simply that the athlete will allow the force produced on the kettlebell to carry it all the way overhead so that the bottom of the kettlebell is directly over the ears, shoulders, hips and ankles. Note, athletes should not be increasing the amount of knee flexion (turning the movement into a squat), nor should they be lifting the kettlebell with their deltoids to assist it into the overhead position. The force is still generated solely by the hip drive, and if optimal force is produced by the hips the athlete will likely have to decelerate the kettlebell as it approaches its apex.
The Russian Swing Must Come First!
The first thing to understand is that the Russian swing must be the foundational movement. The American swing is a progression the builds from the foundation of the Russian swing. If you cannot perform Russian swings well, you will not perform American swings well. Attempting to jump straight to American swings without a solid understanding of the Russian swing often creates poor habits, like squatting through the movement or pulling up on the kettlebell with the traps and deltoids. So, we must start by mastering the short, concise, powerful Russian swing before attempting to move on to the American swing . . . or a hybrid.
My Hips Are Strong and My Swing is Solid . . . Can I Go Overhead?
My chief concern when training an athlete is to determine whether they can perform the assigned movements with perfect, virtuous mechanics. Without regard to the particular movement we are talking about, there are a few mechanical principles from which we should almost never deviate. Most notably, our movements should sequence in a wave of contraction from core to extremity, and we should be able to maintain a fixed (and typically neutral) posture.
Many athletes lack the mobility to achieve the range of motion required by the American swing. Restrictions in their thoracic spine and shoulder girdle often prevent them from raising their arms straight overhead with a completely fixed and neutral spine. These athletes typically compensate for their insufficient mobility by over-extending at the thoracic-lumbar junction. The example on the left demonstrates over-extension. You can see that compared to the photo on the right, Nichole’s ribcage is elevated and there is excessive curve at her lumbar spine.

The answer to the question of whether you can or should be going overhead with your kettlebell swings is not one that I can answer from afar. That answer depends entirely on whether you have three things:
The thoracic mobility to achieve the finishing position without overextending at the lumbar spine.
The midline stability and coordination to achieve the finishing position without overextending at the lumbar spine.
The discipline to achieve the finishing position without overextending at the lumbar spine.
It doesn’t take much for an experienced coach to determine whether an athlete meets the first two requirements . . . the answer to the third question will be answered once the athlete is challenged to maintain good mechanics despite gasping for air and fighting off fatigue. But just in case you do not have a good coach or training partner to help you determine if you have adequate mobility to perform American swings, here is a quick little tool to help you determine whether the overhead/American swing is right for you.
Step 1 – Lay down on your back with your chin and spine in a neutral position and your hands down at your sides.
Step 2 – Squeeze your bum and belly and at belly button level interlock your thumbs with your knuckles lined up – mimicking the position of your hands on the kettlebell.
Step 3 – Have a partner place their hand between your back and floor. (If you train alone, you can also stage your camera on the floor beside you and videotape this drill.) It’s likely (desirable, in fact) that there will be some space between your lower back and the floor. The more impressive your glute development (think Olympic-caliber sprinter), the larger that gap between back and floor will be.
Step 4 – Slowly begin to raise your hands from hip level to chest and eventually overhead until your knuckles touch the ground. Your partner will be there to determine if you change positions at any point. If the pressure on their hand decreases as you raise your arms (i.e., the space between your back and the floor increases) they will stop you. That is the height to which you should swing the kettlebell until you improve your thoracic mobility and/or midline stability.

This is a PASS at the standard Russian swing height.

This is a PASS at the hybrid swing height.

This is a FAIL at the American swing height.
The Hybrid Swing (Russican?)
I hope and assume that you all are able to pass chest level without losing a neutral spine position. But I am also guessing that not all of you got to the overhead position before you started to hinge and compensate with your spine. That point between Russian and American just before you start to lose your stable midline and neutral spine position is your unique version of the hybrid swing.
In our group sessions at Invictus, we will often suggest that most of our athletes swing the kettlebell to eyebrow height. This hybrid swing allows us to provide a common standard that can be met by the vast majority of our athletes. If the coach can see the athlete’s eyes under the bell, they’ve met the standard. It’s a compromise position that we have taken in group coaching, but for athletes training for competition, I want to see them swinging the kettlebell as high as they can without sacrificing good movement, a neutral spine and stable midline.
The Quick and Dirty Conclusion
You all might have a slightly different swing height for TRAINING. I am ok with that. If you’re training for health and fitness, determine which swing better fits your training goals for the given day, with the understanding that whichever method you choose must be performed with perfect mechanics.
For athletes out there looking to compete in the sport of CrossFit, I suggest swinging to the height that makes the most sense for you and your possible mobility restrictions until just a few weeks prior to the competition season. It will not take long to make the adjustment to American swings, and you will have enjoyed many months of training good mechanics. You will also buy yourself many months to work on your mobility so that when the competition season comes around you can repeat our little test and hit the full range on an American swing with perfect mechanics.

Russian Kettlebell Swings should be a fundamental movement that needs to be mastered before moving on to/ or trying the American Swing. Personally, not a fan of the American Swing, prefer the Russian
 
Here's a solid write up on the "debate":
 
Russian Kettlebell Swings should be a fundamental movement that needs to be mastered before moving on to/ or trying the American Swing. Personally, not a fan of the American Swing, prefer the Russian
Same here. I only do Russian kb swings during our wods. I don't see the need to go overhead with it.
 
Got in after almost a week out.

Today's work:

SMR - glutes/piriformis
2 min banded hip liberator stretch

Strength:
3 rep max in front squat (try to stay within 6 working sets)

Got a 10# PR today (274#). Last time is front squatted for a 3RM was about a month ago.

WOD:
AMRAP for 20 minutes
1 Cindy
200m run
20 double unders
1 Cindy
400m run
40 double under
1 Cindy
600m run
60 double unders
1 Cindy
800m run
80 double unders
Etc...

I got the 800m run done and about 5 double unders. Running 4 miles at work during lunch probably didn't help.
 
Last two days...

Monday

20-15-10-5

Deadlift @185
"Strict Pull Ups"
Dumbell Shoulder press w/40# dumbells

Last set of 5 was Deadlift @225

Snatch Grip Deadlift
2x5 @185
2x5 @225
1x5 @285

Tuesday

Birthday WOD for someone that turned 36

3 Hang Clean @135
6 Burpee Box Jump
3 Power Clean @135
6 Burpee Leap Frog
3 Clean and Jerk @135
6 Kettle Bell Swings

Hang Clean
2x5 @135
2x5 @155
2x3 @185

Due to time constraints been doing strength after the MetCon/WOD, :{
 
This morning:

5x250m sprints on the rower (rest two minutes in between efforts)

For time:

25-20-15-10-5

Wall balls (20#)

KB swings (53#)

Weighted sit-ups (53#)
 
Last two days...

Monday

20-15-10-5

Deadlift @185
"Strict Pull Ups"
Dumbell Shoulder press w/40# dumbells

Last set of 5 was Deadlift @225

Snatch Grip Deadlift
2x5 @185
2x5 @225
1x5 @285

Tuesday

Birthday WOD for someone that turned 36

3 Hang Clean @135
6 Burpee Box Jump
3 Power Clean @135
6 Burpee Leap Frog
3 Clean and Jerk @135
6 Kettle Bell Swings

Hang Clean
2x5 @135
2x5 @155
2x3 @185

Due to time constraints been doing strength after the MetCon/WOD, :{

Both days noted. I'm doing these!
 
Work to a heavy set of 3 in sumo-deadlift

(handstand work in between each set)

AMRAP in 12 minutes

3 muscle ups

6 hand stand push ups

9 burpee lateral hops (12inch)
 
Work to a heavy set of 3 in sumo-deadlift
(handstand work in between each set)

AMRAP in 12 minutes

3 muscle ups
6 hand stand push ups
9 burpee lateral hops (12inch)

Dope wod, I haven't been able to do consecutive ring muscle ups since September. Shoulder is jacked up smh.
 
Dope wod, I haven't been able to do consecutive ring muscle ups since September. Shoulder is jacked up smh.
I haven't been able to since last May. Tore some ligaments in my shoulder. I did 6 "grounded" muscle ups instead.
 
really want to make a home gym. i really think i could build one for less than $2,000. only need a bar, squat rack, a bench, and bumper plates. only problem is i have no room :(
 
Don't forget a pull up bar...

I was in the same boat, money wasn't an issue, space was.
 
I haven't been able to since last May. Tore some ligaments in my shoulder. I did 6 "grounded" muscle ups instead.

How you tear ligaments? I hope it's not what I did. Been using voodoo wrap, crossover symmetry and light dumbbell work to warm up real good but still limited. Can't bench heavy either.
 
How you tear ligaments? I hope it's not what I did. Been using voodoo wrap, crossover symmetry and light dumbbell work to warm up real good but still limited. Can't bench heavy either.
Soccer. Went to ground at full speed and shoulder got stuck when it hit the ground (indoor so basically concrete). The voodoo wrap plus sleeper stretch has helped me as well. I always take a lacrosse ball and smash my deltoids, specs, and trapezeus around my clavicle to loosen that area up. If i'm feeling ballsy i'll use a bar to smash them. 

I struggle with pushups, dips, and bench the most. I can snatch/jerk light weight. Clean, squats, and push presses are all good. 

How did you injure you're shoulder? It's funny how all the crazy movements i do in Crossfit, i never get injured there. It's always soccer.
 
Soccer. Went to ground at full speed and shoulder got stuck when it hit the ground (indoor so basically concrete). The voodoo wrap plus sleeper stretch has helped me as well. I always take a lacrosse ball and smash my deltoids, specs, and trapezeus around my clavicle to loosen that area up. If i'm feeling ballsy i'll use a bar to smash them. 

I struggle with pushups, dips, and bench the most. I can snatch/jerk light weight. Clean, squats, and push presses are all good. 

How did you injure you're shoulder? It's funny how all the crazy movements i do in Crossfit, i never get injured there. It's always soccer.

Man smh what's crazy everything you said above is the same problems. I don't remember anything particular I did to injure my shoulder. It started small then got worse as I kept on. Not sure if it will get right unless surgery....
 
Do a google search for the 7 minute rotator cuff solution.

I tore my rotator cuff in high school and it never healed right. The 7 minute thing has helped a lot. Still hurts and has pressure in it but not as bad as it used to be.
 
Do a google search for the 7 minute rotator cuff solution.

I tore my rotator cuff in high school and it never healed right. The 7 minute thing has helped a lot. Still hurts and has pressure in it but not as bad as it used to be.

Thanks man gonna try this. Is it something you must do before each workout?
 
Thanks man gonna try this. Is it something you must do before each workout?
Just download a copy, look at what might work for you and try to fit it in when you can.

There are a few different programs in the book for rehab and injury prevention. 
 
^ I might have to try that one some time

Today:
3 rounds with a 2 minute rest in between rounds

5 min clock

500m row
15 pull-ups
Max reps push press (95#)

Counted the push presses:
30-17-18
 
This morning was not the business.

3 rounds:

30 sec airdyne sprint

90 sec rest

30 sec max rep touch and go burpees (Games 12.1 standard)

90 sec rest

2 rounds for time:

30 goblet squats (53# kb)**

30 box jumps (24")

30 alternating box step ups (15 each side with 24" box and 53# kb)**

30 kb snatches (15 each side, 53# kb)

**Kb can be held however you want but it has to be above the belly button

20 minute cut-off

Completed in 19:20
 
I read somewhere that like 74% of people who do crossfit suffer an injury.

Any of yall got injured yet?
 
Nope, knocks on wood.

I use proper form and listen to my body. Many people rush into it and get hurt.

Then again "injury" is subjective. To some ripping their hands (calluses) is deemed an injury, to others it's a reason to use tape, :lol

CF is a sport with inherent risk, especially when competing. Injuries will happen.
 
The only injuries i have experienced have happened OUTSIDE of Crossfit. Soccer specifically. The key is proper instruction of the movements.
 
People still rip their hands? Wow.
Probably the most easily avoidable "injury" in CF.
 
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