Originally Posted by
SenorRoboto2k5
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
SenorRoboto2k5 wrote:
streethoopkilla wrote:
i think these guys just get tired legs by the 4th. they spend the first 3 quarters playing defense blocking shots, outlet passes, fast breaks, and come 4th quarter their legs arent in them to put up shots and get to the rim as they would earlier in the game. nonetheless its still not much of an excuse since they are all young
I think their utter lack of depth has a lot to do with this. Basically 3 guys carrying a team all game has a lot more of an effect than most think.
Guys like Chalmers today, Z at some points can step up, but not nearly as consistently or as much as needed. They were relying on Haslem, Miller, and House as being their consistent role players to compliment the Big 3 every night. But Haslem got hurt, Miller has been a disappointment, and it's not 2008 Eddie House out there. Mike Bibby is over the hill and he's not much of an upgrade from Arroyo, House, and Chalmers.
And I'm sick of people complaining about the Heat bench. You have arguably 2 of the top 4 players in the game and another guy in the top 15.
What do you want for a supporting cast? There are salary caps....you know!
The supporting cast of....Miller, Bibby, Big Z,Chalmers, James Jones, House and Dampier are more than capable. But I dont think people realize how hard it is for a supporting cast role players to get going if you're always the last option and a pure afterthought.
If the Heat actually ran a real offense and not just let Lebron, Wade and Bosh take scoring turns they'd be a much better team.
I think they'd also do much better if they used Lebron and Wade in waves and not have them play together as much with one being a pseudo sixth man type of guy.
I'm not complaining about anything. I've been pointing out from day one the limitations of what they could do with the rest of the team, and I was simply trying to show that my point was holding.
With the Big 3 taking up most of the payroll and much of the remainder spent on Miller (again, a disappointment) and Haslem, the Heat can only fill out the rest of their rotation with minimum/veteran/rookie contracts. It takes the right market and some luck to land the right combination of veterans - ones that fit and can contribute consistently. The Celtics are one of the only teams to pull this off (0
. The Heat haven't. Bibby, Z, etc. are no slouches, but they are far from the steady output that a team needs as their fourth and fifth best players. The Celtics' fourth best player is, arguably, Ray Allen; the Heat's is Mario Chalmers or Z.
The Heat have three of the best players in the world and the talent between these three eclipses that of some other NBA teams. But it's dangerous to 99% rely on just three players, no matter how good they are. Three guys have only so much energy to completely carry a team on their shoulders alone. True, they have no offense; but the Big 3 often have the energy to make the athletic drives and explosive plays to mask that fact in the beginning of the games, only to have that energy fade and their flaws to show later on. And this flaw can partly be explained to the fact that they are forced to fill out their roster with cheap unproven or ring-seeking bargains.
I'm not saying they need a fourth or fifth superstar. But they need players that can give them significant and consistent outputs to lessen the load, even if it means the Big 3 are still carrying 90% of the load. Chalmers and Dampier can do some good things, but you never know when and how much. It's not good enough. And the salary cap limitations have me wondering if it'll ever become good enough.
I get what you are saying but I dont think they'll ever be able to get a 4 or 5 guy who's really good for cheap unless they hit on one in the draft. Maybe Chalmers develops into that guy( He was a lottery pick in 200
I think the only way they overcome this problem is by moving Wade to a Ginobili/Lamar Odom type of role. You cant not start him but I would play him ALOT without Lebron being on the floor too. This would be also hard to accomplish because to do this effectively you would have slash both Lebron and Wades minutes by at least 5 minutes a game.
