Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[BIG LEEMELONE]

jennings jumper is broke and I think he has gotten worse every year. I ran a pickup game with him last year and I thought he was just bs'ing because of the competition but he playsthe same way in the L. gives himself the green light but he kinda seems like he doesn't even care if his shot goes in or not. it's a joke to compare him to wall

 

[hood17]

Why is Rocky at a shooting range and why did they give him a MOTHER !@#$%^& FLAMETHROWER!!!!!!!

 

[antidope]

I'm going to say that hes trolling. He has to be.

doubt it

Yeah he is. Theres no way hes being serious.

 

[champcruthik]

NT hates Brandon Jennings.

He's a good NBA basketball player. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

If Lebron hates Deshaun Stevens he should bring him to miami, he will be dead of alcohol poisoning before the Christmas day game.

 

[datznasty]

This is the video that the Dallas Mavericks showed Dwight Howard during their free agency presentation last month

http://videos.videopress.com/7gUQqrhk/dhmavs_ultimate_video_project_1280x720_fmt1.ogv

 

[shoeking2101]

Because when he's on the floor he's been more valuable. Jennings has shown NO improvement. Wall has done nothing but improve. His contract wasn't based on half of a season....it's based on 1 everything he's done when on the floor(which is a lot contrary to what you've been spewing) and 2 his potential. He's better at EVERYTHING than Jennings besides a jumper which doesn't matter because Jennings chucks so much it negates that fact. He's also younger. When healthy Wall has played at a top 10(pg wise) level in a pg heavy league. Jennings has never in his career reached that level. Ever. Does that sufficiently answer this ridiculous question?

Yo when it comes down to it, Wall IS a guy who although talented, has a problem staying on the floor. Also, during his stint in Washington they have been for the most part pretty bad, and that's a fact. So it goes without saying to me that he doesn't warrant being maxed out. I guess what i'm getting at is, for someone who can't stay on the floor and hasn't brought real wins to the wiz since he got there, is he 60+ M's better than Jennings?

As of RIGHT NOW, he isn't. The Wizards haven't gotten anywhere near the playoffs, while in that same span, a Brandon Jennings led team has. If your going to max someone out, he has to show an ability to trend upward in the most important column: Wins. Since he's been a Wizard, they've gone 23 wins, 20 wins,and 29 wins. Jennings in that same span has gotten his team to the playoffs twice.

While Wall is better, he isn't 60+ M's better and it's a huge gamble to max him out. We'll see if it pays off. All i'm saying is Wall got 88M's and by comparison a PG who has lead his team to the playoffs twice got 24.

 

[grandtheftbike]

This is the video that the Dallas Mavericks showed Dwight Howard during their free agency presentation last month

http://videos.videopress.com/7gUQqrhk/dhmavs_ultimate_video_project_1280x720_fmt1.ogv

 

[tyonenine]

I think 95% of the league would go to the heat if given the chance. Probably more

 

[frink85]

please tell me thats some fan video and not real "GLOBAL DOMINATION"

 

[iamjusayn]

Stevenson on twitter saying he tryna go to MIA

The nerve of this clown!

 

[dahuhuhyah]

Because when he's on the floor he's been more valuable. Jennings has shown NO improvement. Wall has done nothing but improve. His contract wasn't based on half of a season....it's based on 1 everything he's done when on the floor(which is a lot contrary to what you've been spewing) and 2 his potential. He's better at EVERYTHING than Jennings besides a jumper which doesn't matter because Jennings chucks so much it negates that fact. He's also younger. When healthy Wall has played at a top 10(pg wise) level in a pg heavy league. Jennings has never in his career reached that level. Ever. Does that sufficiently answer this ridiculous question?

Correct. Jennings is nothing more than your local ball hogging, bad shooting, no passing dude that NOBODY wants on their team. Every local basketball spot has a Jennings.

 

[shoelyesses]

Yo when it comes down to it, Wall IS a guy who although talented, has a problem staying on the floor. Also, during his stint in Washington they have been for the most part pretty bad, and that's a fact. So it goes without saying to me that he doesn't warrant being maxed out. I guess what i'm getting at is, for someone who can't stay on the floor and hasn't brought real wins to the wiz since he got there, is he 60+ M's better than Jennings?

As of RIGHT NOW, he isn't. The Wizards haven't gotten anywhere near the playoffs, while in that same span, a Brandon Jennings led team has. If your going to max someone out, he has to show an ability to trend upward in the most important column: Wins. Since he's been a Wizard, they've gone 23 wins, 20 wins,and 29 wins. Jennings in that same span has gotten his team to the playoffs twice.

While Wall is better, he isn't 60+ M's better and it's a huge gamble to max him out. We'll see if it pays off. All i'm saying is Wall got 88M's and by comparison a PG who has lead his team to the playoffs twice got 24.

not fair comparison one person clearly had a much more talented team....by your standards Derek Fisher now>both because he lead a team recently to the finals.

Jennings is a score first pg who really isn't a efficient/effective scorer. Plus from a franchise/commercialization standpoint wall is more marketable.... ie same reason Lin got his ridiculous contract.

You put Jennings on any of those wizs teams Wall had and they wouldn't be making the playoffs either. I mean is he leaps and bounds better the Jennings......NO. But his ceiling is higher, he hasn't been stagnant (actually regressed) as far as improving as a player like Jennings has, and is the franchise of a desolated team in which Jennings is not.

 

[shoeking2101]

Correct. Jennings is nothing more than your local ball hogging, bad shooting, no passing dude that NOBODY wants on their team. Every local basketball spot has a Jennings.

But when it comes down to it, that "local ball hogging bad shooting no passing dude" is getting into the playoff party. Wall isn't getting close to that right now. He may next season, he may become a perennial all star from here on out, but thus far in the league he hasn't shown much that has amounted to WINS. Jennings, to his credit has...somewhat.

 

[durantula]

See birdman? Birdman played the year before. But na, it's identical.

Point was that the staff knows how to work a player back in because Birdman was not tossed into the fire quickly. He was worked back in according to the plan they had set and they stuck with it, despite needing the help. Miller and Lewis both often injured were serviceable last season and remained healthy the entire year. Same for Ray Allen.

Clearly, it isn't the same situation. Riley is known for his conditioning requirements, but he has shown patience. As much time as the players spend with the medical staff, you can see that they do a rather good job throughout the season.

Getting Wade on the court during the playoffs was big alone. Again, Greg is in better shape than most know and has the luxury of working into the Heat's rotation at his speed, rather than forced as he was in Portland.

He can be in ray allen shape, it doesnt matter. Bad knees are bad knees.

@ yall think deshawn is being serious

 

[mgrand15]

Nope. If Wall is that much better than Jennings, prove it. Mind you Wall just got maxed out for 88M's, has been extremely injury prone, and hasn't come close to the Playoffs in his tenure with Washington.

Jennings for all his faults, has at least had his team semi-competitive and into the playoffs twice. Numbers wise, Wall has him but not by much, and at least he's on the floor.

One just got 24 M's, the other got 88M's. I'm just saying...

Are you kidding me? Last year Jennings was getting benched until they fired their coach. Jennings has NEVER carried that team to the playoffs. The Bucks have made it a point to have deep teams and not rebuild. All the Buck rosters have been atleast twice as good as all of Wall's rosters.

Why even bring up the playoffs? U kidding?

 

[dt43]

Wall getting 80m's doesn't mean the prevalent notion is that Wall is much better than Jennings.

It means that the Washington Wizards (who gave Wall his contract, not the public) see John Wall as an invaluable asset to their franchise's future.

It wasn't like the Wizards were like "Okay well Jennings got 3/24, therefore we'll give John about ehh... 80mil" they weren't thinking about Jennings bro. They were thinking about the fact that they couldn't afford to lose Wall at this point.


How much better Wall is than Jennings RIGHT NOW isn't relevant, what's relevant is the fact that a prospect like John Wall at 22 years of age is an invaluable asset to a struggling franchise and Jennings is not.

The gap in perception is due to Wall being one of the highest-rated talents in recent times. His ceiling is expected to be much higher than Jennings.

See that's the thing, why is Wall viewed as an invaluable asset to a franchise and Jennings isn't? What has Wall done to warrant being an invaluable asset?

I agree that the Wiz weren't thinking about Jennings, I don't think they were either and yeah his ceiling is expected to be higher, but he hasn't done much of anything that suggest he will eventually reach that ceiling. A Half of a season?

What has he done? He's coming off of a season where he averaged 19-8-4 with a 20+ PER. Jennings has never reached that level of productivity or efficiency. In fact, let me give you the list of players who have put up 20+ PER seasons at age 22 or younger:

http://bit.ly/11xyYla

Funny, I don't see Brandon Jennings on the list. But I do see a lot of players who either ended up being franchise players, or are likely on their way to becoming franchise players.


Wall took a team from 5-28 looking worse than the Bobcats, to playing .500 playoff-caliber ball. Whereas Jennings team was actually worse with him on the floor (look it up). Not understanding how the Jennings comparisons makes any sense.

 

[victor page]

You act like their personal performances are conducive to WHY each of their teams have fared the way they have.

Milwaukee didn't make the playoffs because Jennings "led" them and the Wizards not making the playoffs doesn't have anything to do with Wall's performances (when he's played). 

There are 11 other players on each team you might wanna go down the list and compare before we bring the playoffs into a discussion about Jennings and Wall.

Jennings also has played one more season than he has.

 

[shoeking2101]

not fair comparison one person clearly had a much more talented team....by your standards Derek Fisher now>both because he lead a team recently to the finals.

Jennings is a score first pg who really isn't a efficient/effective scorer. Plus from a franchise/commercialization standpoint wall is more marketable.... ie same reason Lin got his ridiculous contract.

You put Jennings on any of those wizs teams Wall had and they wouldn't be making the playoffs either. I mean is he leaps and bounds better the Jennings......NO. But his ceiling is higher, he hasn't been stagnant (actually regressed) as far as improving as a player like Jennings has, and is the franchise of a desolated team in which Jennings is not.

NT loves going to the extreme. Derek Fisher? Really? Come on man, your better than that. Derek fisher isn't comparable to the two. (To any starting PG for that matter) And Wall's Wizards teams were just as talented as Jennings Bucks squads. The Bucks were not leaps and bounds better than the Wizards. And even so, Jennings isn't the one getting maxed out, Wall is. If you can't get your team in the playoffs in the EAST, should you really be getting maxed out?

If we put Jennings on those Wiz teams...they may make the playoffs. Do I think so? No, but I'm not a fortune teller. And for all of Wall's improvements,and Jennings regression, Wall has nothing but 12 and 13 seeds in the conference to show for it while Jennings has been in the playoffs.

 

[datznasty]

And Wall is your typical fast running, high jumping, can't shoot dudes who can't wait til games are over so he can throw himself lob passes and do dunks and he just got a max.

 

[jsindaa]

Yo when it comes down to it, Wall IS a guy who although talented, has a problem staying on the floor. Also, during his stint in Washington they have been for the most part pretty bad, and that's a fact. So it goes without saying to me that he doesn't warrant being maxed out. I guess what i'm getting at is, for someone who can't stay on the floor and hasn't brought real wins to the wiz since he got there, is he 60+ M's better than Jennings?

As of RIGHT NOW, he isn't. The Wizards haven't gotten anywhere near the playoffs, while in that same span, a Brandon Jennings led team has. If your going to max someone out, he has to show an ability to trend upward in the most important column: Wins. Since he's been a Wizard, they've gone 23 wins, 20 wins,and 29 wins. Jennings in that same span has gotten his team to the playoffs twice.

While Wall is better, he isn't 60+ M's better and it's a huge gamble to max him out. We'll see if it pays off. All i'm saying is Wall got 88M's and by comparison a PG who has lead his team to the playoffs twice got 24.

He's had 1 time where he missed a significant period of time...stop it. You're overstating that issue and comparing two completely different situations. Wall the whole season last year for the Wiz puts them ahead of the Bucks. He scores a point less while providing a huge difference in literally every other phase of the game. He's without a doubt 60+ M's better. Not even a question

 

[flyerthandelta]

Tmac and Vince should be HOF.

 

[shoeking2101]

He's had 1 time where he missed a significant period of time...stop it. You're overstating that issue and comparing two completely different situations. Wall the whole season last year for the Wiz puts them ahead of the Bucks. He scores a point less while providing a huge difference in literally every other phase of the game. He's without a doubt 60+ M's better. Not even a question

If it's not even a question that Wall is 60+M's better than Jennings he would have at least got close to a playoff appearance. Is that not fair to say? And if that's your guy, and he can't get you close to a playoff spot in the east, how is he worth a max deal? When you have guys like Jennings at least getting his team in the playoffs.The Bucks Roster(s) have not been that much more superior than Washington's, if at all.

 

[iamjusayn]

I was pretty surprised to see Jordan Crawford playing a decent game today.

Dude is known to be a clown and actually is but his jumpshot and D was on point today at the drew league

Him n nick young were going at it.

Nick's game today

 

[dt43]

He's had 1 time where he missed a significant period of time...stop it. You're overstating that issue and comparing two completely different situations. Wall the whole season last year for the Wiz puts them ahead of the Bucks. He scores a point less while providing a huge difference in literally every other phase of the game. He's without a doubt 60+ M's better. Not even a question

If it's not even a question that Wall is 60+M's better than Jennings he would have at least got close to a playoff appearance. Is that not fair to say? And if that's your guy, and he can't get you close to a playoff spot in the east, how is he worth a max deal? When you have guys like Jennings at least getting his team in the playoffs.The Bucks Roster(s) have not been that much more superior than Washington's, if at all.

You cannot be serious.






Here is another list, players who put up the numbers Wall put up last year at age 22 or younger (ranked by efficiency)

http://bkref.com/tiny/I7cYZ


Look at the other names on that list and tell me with a straight face that John Wall is not worth more to a franchise than Brandon Jennings. Please do