Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[JD617]

Man people overlook just how damn hard it to win a championship in the NBA. Yall dudes clown Rose, CP3, Melo, Dwight for not winning ships like there is more than one trophy handed out each year. How you guys expecting every superstar to win it all when there is so many in the league. NBA is a superstar's league and always has been. Normally the top guy in the league has his reign for a period and right now it's going to be tough for any of these guys to beat LeBron damn James especially with the type of team he has in Miami right now. Before that is was Kobe/Shaq/Duncan/MJ etc. It's tough to wrestle ships away from any of these dudes when they get into a good situation. Tons of GREAT GREAT players have gone without rings in their careers and that's going to continue to be the case. Too many talented players in the L for it to be any other way.

If the clippers called and offered cp3 for tony Parker right now...San Antonio would accept and pop would be the first one at the gate waiting for cp3 when he gets off the plane

I'm really puzzled with how some y'all hate on CP3, he was the 3rd best player in the league last year easily.

You can disagree but the proof is in the pudding. There is no way you can look at their numbers, the effect they had on their respective teams, their teams performances without them and not see that Paul is better. It's not even a matter of opinion, I love Parker just as much as a the next guy but Chris Paul is the best pg in the league right now.

All of this.

Originally Posted by erupt107th  

CP3 and Durant are gonna get all the hate from the dudes that have nothing to say about Bron anymore

I already hate it and it isn't even fully happening yet.

 

[oompaoloompa]

When the cameras weren't pointing at them...

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Only big man that didn't have a problem with Kobe was DJ Mbenga

 

[denni5themenace]

I saw this mentioned on Twitter, but what's with Shaq, Bynum, and D12 ALL not being able to co-exist to an extent w/ Kobe?

wins 3 titles with shaq - had a falling out due to strong personalities
wins 2 titles with bynum - no problems here
has a bad season with dwight - dwights a *****?

i don't see how any of that is SOLELY on kobe.

 

[do work son]

I saw this mentioned on Twitter, but what's with Shaq, Bynum, and D12 ALL not being able to co-exist to an extent w/ Kobe?

You know the answer to this

 

[cashbanks]

This

Either Houston goes Dwight's way and suddenly Harden and co. aren't playing to their strengths.

Or they play the way that made them semi-successful and Dwight is unhappy again.
Kareem said Dwight talked about wanting to work with him when he got to LA... then he never heard from Dwight again.

So he wants to play back-to-the-basket and try to dominate like Shaq, but he's not willing to put in the work to do it.

He's got a lackluster post game. We all know that. No coach is gonna build an entire offense around a lackluster post game. He wants to blame the coaches or the situation, but not the fact that he has limited moves down there. You can say they tried to "force" him into a PnR system, but you can also say they chose to run a PnR system because the alternative (to post up Dwight all the time) doesn't make too much sense, given his limited skills.

no dont you know hes already as dominant as Shaq was and is going to become a FANTASTIC back to the basket guy after 10yrs in the league

dudes a delusional cry baby

 

[licensed to ball]

No one ever said playing with Kobe was easy.
Usually the opposite.

Word to Smush.

 

[maxelite]

Mike Miller amnestied

 

[shoelyesses]

This

Either Houston goes Dwight's way and suddenly Harden and co. aren't playing to their strengths.

Or they play the way that made them semi-successful and Dwight is unhappy again.
Kareem said Dwight talked about wanting to work with him when he got to LA... then he never heard from Dwight again.

So he wants to play back-to-the-basket and try to dominate like Shaq, but he's not willing to put in the work to do it.

He's got a lackluster post game. We all know that. No coach is gonna build an entire offense around a lackluster post game. He wants to blame the coaches or the situation, but not the fact that he has limited moves down there. You can say they tried to "force" him into a PnR system, but you can also say they chose to run a PnR system because the alternative (to post up Dwight all the time) doesn't make too much sense, given his limited skills.

like I said im not buying...I posted... Dwight probably ask this of la management etc... all before he even got there... And as all teams do etc...they told him they would and said all they needed to say to get him to want to sign with them.

Once they got there, and based on the coaching (dantoni) and their loyalty to kobe and wanting to get him another chip, they basically put it on hold...and did him on some oh yea, we will get to it, yea yea we will work on it. And after a while Dwight got fed up. In a interview midway thru the season he kinda eluded to this.... and made some snide/sneak diss comments basically confirming this.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Mike Miller amnestied

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[johnnyredstorm]

whats the point of amnestying miller? save money on the luxury tax?

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

 

[maxelite]

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Damn



I literally just saw it on my twitter feed 3 mins ago.



My fault.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

No one wants to pay Nate man...

 

[licensed to ball]

Rck stop being a jerk. Give the guy a break he wasn't that late

 

[senorroboto2k5]

like I said im not buying...I posted... Dwight probably ask this of la management etc... all before he even got there... And as all teams do etc...they told him they would and said all they needed to say to get him to want to sign with them.

Once they got there, and based on the coaching (dantoni) and their loyalty to kobe and wanting to get him another chip, they basically put it on hold...and did him on some oh yea, we will get to it, yea yea we will work on it. And after a while Dwight got fed up. In a interview midway thru the season he kinda eluded to this.... and made some snide/sneak diss comments basically confirming this.

The Lakeshow may nor may not have promised him what he wanted to hear. But in the end it's just a sound coaching decision to NOT build an offense around a limited post game, regardless of what was promised to him.

I think there's a chance we will be seeing the same thing in Houston. I'm sure they promised him something similar - to feature him in the post - otherwise he wouldn't have been so excited about signing there.

If they do and it works, hey, I guess it was the situation in LA and ORL, people's coaching preferences, and wanting to cater to an old-*** Kobe - not the fact that he has a drop step and an awkward sweeping hook that goes in at a decent rate. Maybe there is some unseen post game that was held back.

But the potential for mess is there... if his limited post moves only carry them so far, eventually McHale will go back on whatever promises HOU made (likely to the PnR style that served them pretty well this past year), simply because it's the right decision if they aren't winning at a high level. Leaving Dwight to pout again.

 

[coldcity]

No one wants to pay Nate man...

do you actually think hes worth what he wants?

i kinda doubt he's coached into his semi-greatness by anyone aside from thibs

all bs & homerism aside

 

[Deleted member 38182]

I haven't had my coffee yet, sue me.....

 

[licensed to ball]

The guy deserves more than the minimum though.

Maybe not a whole lot more.
But something more.

He's definitely earned it IMO.

A 3 or 4 mill a year contract is deserving for Nate when someone like K.Bogans can make 5 million in a year... :x

 

[coldcity]

The guy deserves more than the minimum though.

Maybe not a whole lot more.
But something more.

He's definitely earned it IMO.

A 3 or 4 mill a year contract is deserving for Nate when someone like K.Bogans can make 5 million in a year... :x

well as i heard a former boston fan turned brooklyn fan say "bogans is a beast on defense & worth every penny" i didnt even have the heart to tell him defferent

personally i dont think hes worth more than 2 per ......3 is streching it but giving him 2-3 per & multi yr aint happening unless its with a crap bottom feeding team who wont sniff the off's

 

[mjsaver]

Nate still being offered the minimum ? If its just the minimum that's ridiculous.

Dam shame bums like Novak can get paid but dudes wanna shortchange one of the entertaining players in the league.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

The guy deserves more than the minimum though.

Maybe not a whole lot more.
But something more.

He's definitely earned it IMO.

A 3 or 4 mill a year contract is deserving for Nate when someone like K.Bogans can make 5 million in a year... :x

yup

 

[sorkoram]

whats the point of amnestying miller? save money on the luxury tax?

Yep.

He was supposed to make 6.2mil these season, saves close 17mil on luxury tax for this season.

 

[shoelyesses]

The Lakeshow may nor may not have promised him what he wanted to hear. But in the end it's just a sound coaching decision to NOT build an offense around a limited post game, regardless of what was promised to him.

I think there's a chance we will be seeing the same thing in Houston. I'm sure they promised him something similar - to feature him in the post - otherwise he wouldn't have been so excited about signing there.

If they do and it works, hey, I guess it was the situation in LA and ORL, not the fact that he has a drop step and an awkward sweeping hook that goes in at a decent rate.

But the potential for mess is there... if his limited post moves only carry them so far, eventually McHale will go back on whatever promises HOU made (likely to the PnR style that served them pretty well this past year), simply because it's the right decision if they aren't winning at a high level. Leaving Dwight to pout again.

that's true.... but the difference is and I believe Dwight is that, they said they would be working with him on it....and that he could I guess from time to time test run it in the game...and due to one having dantoni as a coach, and two loyalty to kobe and wanting to please him and "hurry up" and get him a ring before he retires....the whole concept of working with him, helping him trying to get a more polished post game went right the hell out the window.

With Houston it obviously different, they one don't have a player like a Kobe Bryant, who is at the end of his career and looking for a chip RIGHT NOW. Second the organization as a whole etc...isn't expected to win right now and make a best of the moment with the team we got before the bottom falls out like it will/has.

Also there is a difference in coaching. And lastly the expectation of the team is totally different, along with where the rockets are in terms of movement versus the lakers.

So I think they will try it and try to work with him, and try to let him work it a little in the game. They can do so because they have the luxury of lesser expectations and working towards being a championship caliber team. Plus the fan base is totally different.

Now if the rockets become bonafide contenders etc...and he still hasn't gotten it, after working and training with him...then yea id agree and at that point he either has to realize it aint in him...or go to a loser who will allow him more time and just let him do him.

 

[antidope]

But didnt Kevin McChale said that hes going to be putting him in a lot of pick and roll which was why it even became a topic of conversation? Thats why I brought it up when the conversation originally started. I doubt Dwight Howard is really going to walk in there and make McChale throw his game plan out of the window.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/sports/basketball/recasting-a-dream-is-howards-goal.html?_r=0

In an interview with ESPN.com, McHale alluded to Howard’s potential as a pick-and-roll big man. “He can score 10 points and totally dominate the game,” McHale said. “There are very few players in the N.B.A. that can do that. He can bolt down the paint, block six or seven shots, get 20 rebounds, roll hard and get people shots without touching the ball.” McHale is right: defenses are so afraid of Howard’s catching the ball on the move to the rim that his cuts to the basket open up plays all over the court. Pair that threat with Harden, a top pick-and-roll scorer, and watch out. But it is hard to imagine that Howard will be happy with the role McHale described. Howard has expressed his desire to develop into a dominant post presence, though his body seems ill-equipped for the task.

The difference in Houston imo....is while they will be working him pick and roll, they simultaneously will be working with him on his post game and slowly working it into his game, in the game...

Sounds like based on nash's interview, and kareems...they didn't care about him really developing and growing as a player RIGHT NOW, they just wanted him to play a style that would work for dantoni, and would overall help Kobe get a chip...and then worry about him growing/developing as a better player after Kobe retires and they in a rebuild mode.

And Dwight was probably like nah...im not gonna put me getting better as a overall player on hold, so Kobe can get his 6 ring etc.... and retire...then wait till on the decline, heading towards the end of my career and the team is in reload/rebuild mode to try to work on my game.

And that's why they mad, lakers fans mad lol...They wanted a dude to stunt his growth, just play and do w/e it would take to make the lakers and kobe get a chip before he is done so the lakers/kobe stans can be satisfied.

Then when they realize that there is no hope for him and the development of his post game, they will move away from it and do PnR for the majority of his touches, and lets not act like that regardless of how much he improves in the post (if he does at all) that he will always be a far superior PnR player. Theyre going to go to that when they need a basket from him 9 out of 10 times. Its PnR for him whether he wants it or not.