Official 2012 NBA Draft Thread

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They are referring to Sullinger.
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oh thanks! man THEE Pretentious University guys can't catch a break
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Originally Posted by cleansneaksonly21

Austin Rivers looks crazy pigeon-toed in the 7 Drill vid... 
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I know some unsure dudes that and try do that ++%% to make them look cute in front of inferior women..he definitely looks like one of them dudes.
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Chad Ford's Mock Draft 8.0

It's crunch time. With the NBA draft now less than 10 days away, the finishing touches of the draft process are playing out with individual workouts, team interviews and doctors combing over physicals combined with heated arguments in war rooms across the NBA.

While teams are getting closer to finalizing their draft boards, there's still time for things to change. Here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, about how the draft might play out on June 28.

New Orleans

Anthony Davis

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 222 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
Analysis: Davis is the clear No. 1 pick. The Hornets are turning down all trade offers for Davis and trying to figure out the best way to build around him. Look for them to seriously consider dealing the No. 10 pick if they can get a young veteran to play alongside Davis in return. This team has no intention of being bad for the next five seasons now that Davis is in place.

Charlotte

Thomas Robinson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 244 pounds
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Bobcats continue to talk with teams about trading the No. 2 pick. But if they keep it, most of the signals coming out of the organization point to Robinson being the man. He is a super athletic, physical 4 who should be an instant upgrade over Tyrus Thomas and D.J. White.

I'm hearing Harrison Barnes may be in second place on their wish list right now. Apparently, MJ is a fan. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Bradley Beal are in the mix, too, though I'm told MKG didn't blow anyone away in his workout for the Bobcats on Monday and also hurt his back a little.

Washington

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 233 pounds
Age: 18
School: Kentucky
Analysis: The Wizards are happy at No. 3 and I continue to hear it will come down to Kidd-Gilchrist or Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes, I'm told, is also now in the picture. Andre Drummond is too, but he's much further down the list. So who gets the nod?

The Wizards really need shooting, which should give Beal or Barnes a leg up. But I continue to hear that Kidd-Gilchrist remains the favorite. It's very close.


Cleveland

Bradley Beal

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 202 pounds
Age: 18
School: Florida
Analysis: The Cavs had Beal and Barnes in for a head-to-head workout on Saturday. While both played well, the word out of Cleveland is that Beal was a little better. That could seal the deal for Beal at No. 4 if he falls this far.

But remember that workouts are just one small part of a much bigger process. The Cavs have been very interested in Barnes for the past year and could decide they prefer his size.


Sacramento

Harrison Barnes

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 228 pounds
Age: 20
School: North Carolina
Analysis: Sacramento is another team that is seriously considering moving its pick if it can. GM Geoff Petrie is on the hot seat and the Kings are once again looking for a player who can come in and contribute immediately. If they can entice a team to give up a young veteran for the No. 5 pick, I think they do it. If they keep the pick, it's looking like they'll play it safe and grab Barnes. Drummond is in the mix too, but he's a much riskier proposition.

Portland (via Nets)

Andre Drummond

Position: C
Height: 7-foot-0
Weight: 279 pounds
Age: 18
School: UConn
Analysis: Blazers GM Neil Olshey is a risk-taker. He also knows he has some time to rebuild this team. So, unlike Petrie, Olshey has the capital right now to take a risk or two in the draft.

It may come down to a three-way choice (assuming the top five are off the board) between Drummond, Damian Lillard and Dion Waiters. I hear the Blazers like all three, but Drummond clearly has the biggest upside of the group. He also comes with the biggest question marks.


Golden State

Dion Waiters

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 221 pounds
Age: 20
School: Syracuse
Analysis: We've tried a number of different players in this spot and none of them have stuck. Perry Jones turned the Warriors off. Terrence Jones didn't wow in workouts. And news of Jared Sullinger's back issues have GMs in the lottery running scared.

Could the Warriors turn to Waiters? He would bring a lot of what Monta Ellis brought to the table at a much cheaper price. If the team believes Klay Thompson can slide over to the 3, or if they just want to fill out a three-guard rotation, Waiters could be the guy.

Toronto

Damian Lillard

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 189 pounds
Age: 21
School: Weber State
Analysis: The Raptors were high on Waiters early, but his stock has risen so rapidly that he could very well be off the board when they pick. If that's the case, Lillard may be the next best thing to Waiters as a dynamic backcourt scorer, which the team has lacked.

The Raptors are also open to trading their pick for a veteran wing, who would add some stability to their roster. If they keep the pick, Jeremy Lamb and Austin Rivers are also in the mix here.

Detroit

John Henson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 216 pounds
Age: 21
School: North Carolina
Analysis: Greg Monroe has been a revelation in the middle for the Pistons, but they really need to pair him alongside an athletic shot-blocker. Although Henson is painfully thin, he rebounds, blocks shots and defends multiple positions.

It wouldn't be a perfect solution in Detroit, but the Pistons don't have a lot of other options here unless they want to reach a bit for Meyers Leonard, who might be worth it after his stellar showing at the draft combine.

New Orleans(via Wolves)

Austin Rivers

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke
Analysis: We've had Jared Sullinger here the past few weeks. But just as he was working out in New Orleans, NBA team doctors were reviewing the physicals from the NBA draft combine. As we reported on Monday, Sullinger's physical had a number of team docs skittish.

If Sullinger isn't the guy, there is no obvious direction for the Hornets to go next. You could make the case for a dozen players. So why Rivers? He checks off a lot of boxes that the Hornets are looking for and gives them some insurance should Eric Gordon get too expensive as a restricted free agent this summer.

Portland

Jeremy Lamb

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 179 pounds
Age: 20
School: UConn
Analysis: If the Blazers get Drummond at No. 6, they can turn their attention to their needs in the backcourt. While a point guard might be ideal, with Lillard off the board, I think they go after a 2-guard. Lamb has great length for his position, is a smooth athlete and would give them some scoring in the backcourt.

Milwaukee

Meyers Leonard

Position: C
Height: 7-foot-1
Weight: 250 pounds
Age: 20
School: Illinois
Analysis: The Bucks gambled a few years ago on Brandon Jennings and it paid off big time. At this point in the draft, Leonard is risky but could have huge upside. The Bucks really need a center after trading Andrew Bogut to the Warriors at the trade deadline. Leonard is a work in progress, but has the size and athletic ability to be a dominant big man down the road.

Phoenix

Terrence Ross

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 197 pounds
Age: 21
School: Washington
Analysis: We've had both Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers associated with this pick in the past. However, if both players are off the board, Terrence Ross could be the guy.

He's big, he's super athletic and he can really shoot the basketball. The Suns desperately need help in their backcourt, and Ross could be a very solid addition.

Houston

Tyler Zeller

Position: C
Height: 7-foot
Weight: 247 pounds
Age: 22
School: North Carolina
Analysis: The Rockets' biggest need is in the middle, and Zeller should be a solid option. Scouts don't think Zeller is going to be an All-Star someday, but he's big, he runs the floor very well and he has a great touch around the basket. Meyers Leonard has passed him on our Big Board, but Zeller should ultimately land somewhere between Picks 8 and 14.

Philadelphia

Terrence Jones

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 252 pounds
Age: 20
School: Kentucky
Analysis: The Sixers might have a tough choice here between Jones, Jared Sullinger and Arnett Moultrie. They need size, but also shooting. Jones may be the compromise. He measured out very well for a power forward at the combine, has an NBA body and proved to be a solid rebounder and shot-blocker in college. He has tremendous upside if he puts his heart into it.

Sullinger, meanwhile, would give the Sixers the starting-caliber replacement for Elton Brand if he can stay healthy, while Moultrie is a long, bouncy, athletic big man who could stretch the floor.

Houston (via Knicks)

Arnett Moultrie

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 223 pounds
Age: 21
School: Mississippi State
Analysis: Moultrie can stretch the floor and really rebound. With the Rockets in desperate need of size, pairing Moultrie with Zeller could give them a good mix of bigs.

Dallas

Kendall Marshall

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 198 pounds
Age: 20
School: North Carolina
Analysis: With Jason Kidd 39 years old and a free agent, and Rodrigue Beaubois more of a combo guard, Marshall would offer much of what Kidd brings to the table -- incredible court vision and size -- right away. Marshall is not a great athlete or a great shooter, but he could keep Dirk & Co. happy.

Wolves (via Jazz)

Fab Melo

Position: C
Height: 7-foot
Weight: 255 pounds
Age: 22
School: Syracuse
Analysis: The team is praying that one of the wings, such as Terrence Ross or Austin Rivers, slides to them here. But if they don't, the Wolves may choose to go big with Melo. Nikola Pekovic was a revelation this year, but after that the cupboard is pretty bare. Darko Milicic has one more year on his deal, but he's not a long-term answer in Minnesota.

Orlando

Perry Jones III

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 20
School: Baylor
Analysis: This is a long way for Jones to slip in the draft. Many believe he's a top-five talent, but no one knows what position he'll play in the pros; his situation reminds me a lot of the one Josh Smith was in a few years ago. Jones may find a home in the lottery, but if he doesn't he could slide this far. Given Jones' raw talent, he's definitely worth the risk at this point.

Denver

Jared Sullinger

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 268 pounds
Age: 20
School: Ohio State
Analysis: A number of GMs are legitimately concerned with what their doctors found concerning Sullinger's back. They claim it's much more serious than what Sullinger's camp is saying. We will continue to try to get a handle on this situation in the next few days.

Still, there will be a certain spot in the draft where Sullinger's reward outweighs the risk. I'm not totally sure this is it, but the Nuggets need a 4 who can bang down low, so this might be a win-win for both Sullinger and Denver.

Boston

Andrew Nicholson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 22
School: St. Bonaventure
Analysis: Nicholson is another draft sleeper who may really rise with workouts. He's a big stretch 4 who has drawn some comparisons to David West. He would be another welcome addition to the Celtics' summer makeover.

Boston (via Clippers)

Moe Harkless

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 207 pounds
Age: 19
School: St. John's
Analysis: The Celtics get a pretty safe pick with Nicholson at No. 21 and then roll the dice a bit with Harkless at No. 22. He's long and athletic and he can put the ball on the floor and get to the basket. If the team is going to start rebuilding, they'll need to nail a few of these late picks like they did with Rajon Rondo and Avery Bradley.

Atlanta

Royce White

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 261 pounds
Age: 21
School: Iowa State
Analysis: As long as coach Larry Drew can buy into what White is and how to play him, he could be a steal at this point in the draft. The Hawks don't really have a primary ball handler anyway, which may make White a great choice if he's allowed to play his game.

Cavs (via Lakers)

Quincy Miller

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 219 pounds
Age: 19
School: Baylor
Analysis: If the Cavs add Beal, they could try to swing for the fences with Miller. There are a lot of concerns about his knee and what position he'll play in the pros. But his upside is so high that it might be worth taking a gamble this low in the draft. There's very little risk and a lot of potential reward here.

Memphis

Tony Wroten Jr.

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 18
School: Washington
Analysis: The Grizzlies don't have a ton of talent behind Mike Conley, and Wroten is definitely worth the risk at this point in the draft. He is the most spectacular passer in the draft and has great size and athleticism. He just needs to fix that broken shot of his.

Indiana

Marquis Teague

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 180 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
Analysis: Teague would've been a top-10 pick in 2013 had he decided to stay in school. Instead he followed the rest of Kentucky's stars into the draft. He could go as high as the mid-first round and I doubt he slips past the Pacers here. Adding Teague would allow Indiana to use Darren Collison as trade bait this summer.

Miami

Draymond Green

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 236 pounds
Age: 22
School: Michigan State
Analysis: The Heat need players with experience who excel in bringing out the best in their teammates. Green can be a point-forward type who does a little of everything. Think of him as a better-passing Udonis Haslem.

Oklahoma City

Evan Fournier

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 206 pounds
Age: 19
School: France
Analysis: Fournier is the type of player that the Thunder can easily stash for a year or two in Europe. Or, given the high level he has played at in France, he might be able to come in and get minutes for them right away -- especially if the Thunder decide they can't afford to re-sign James Harden this summer.

Chicago

John Jenkins

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 212 pounds
Age: 21
School: Vanderbilt
Analysis: The Bulls need a shooter, and Jenkins has one of the best strokes in the draft. His super-quick release and ability to finish at the basket make him an interesting prospect here.

Golden State (via Spurs)

Jeff Taylor

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 212 pounds
Age: 23
School: Vanderbilt
Analysis: The Warriors really need some help at the 3 and at this point Taylor is a safe bet. He's a terrific defender who can guard multiple positions, and he has become an adequate shooter off the catch.
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Damb Sully shouldve came out last year, amazing how much your stock can drop in twelve months...really hope my Wizards arent seriously considering Barnes
 
Originally Posted by Al3xis

Did he actually play defense? I'm not asking for anything more than a role player in the 2nd round (if that) but I'd still rather have Davis, Drummond, Zeller, Moultrie, Ezeli, Melo, Leonard, O'Quinn, James and Sims as guys projected as 5's ahead of him.
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I don't know what James you're talking about but the only guys on your list that will be available when Plumlee is picked will be O'Quinn, maybe Ezeli and Sims. Dont think you're taking too huge of a risk passing on either of those three.
 
No hate, but i was thinking, What do you guys think separates Anthony Davis from what Serge Ibaka is right now?

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Serge (according to DEX) :

STRENGTHS:- Lateral quickness- Shot-blocking skills- Shot-blocking tools- Energy/Intensity- Potential- Work ethic- High-level productivity- Ability to finish around basket- Frail frame- Freakish athleticism- Wingspan- 3-point range- Perimeter shooting ability

WEAKNESSES:- Decision making- Ball-handling skills- Back to basket scoring- Defensive awareness- Basketball IQ- Experience- Fundamentals- Not ready to contribute immediately- Passing skills
 
Originally Posted by cleansneaksonly21

No hate, but i was thinking, What do you guys think separates Anthony Davis from what Serge Ibaka is right now?

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STRENGTHS:- Lateral quickness- Shot-blocking skills- Shot-blocking tools- Energy/Intensity- Potential- Work ethic- High-level productivity- Ability to finish around basket- Frail frame- Freakish athleticism- Wingspan- 3-point range- Perimeter shooting ability

WEAKNESSES:- Decision making- Ball-handling skills- Back to basket scoring- Defensive awareness- Basketball IQ- Experience- Fundamentals- Not ready to contribute immediately- Passing skills
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He has none of these weaknesses. 
and honestly he might be better than him by year two. 
 
AD showed he can guard on the perimeter against versatile bigs who can put the ball on the floor. Not sure Ibaka can do that. AD can handle the ball too.
 
Despite all the hate that he has gathered in the Finals, it's Serge's 3rd yr which some of his weaknesses aren't AS weak and particularly his jumper has really been a weapon for the Thunder

So if AD, in his rookie yr, is a smarter 3rd yr Ibaka would Hornets fans be happy with that?
and as a followup to that,  How could Thunder management consider trading Ibaka? The Heat have shown you need a 3rd piece to defend, hit open jumper to space the floor and rebound. 
 
Originally Posted by cleansneaksonly21

Despite all the hate that he has gathered in the Finals, it's Serge's 3rd yr which some of his weaknesses aren't AS weak and particularly his jumper has really been a weapon for the Thunder

So if AD, in his rookie yr, is a smarter 3rd yr Ibaka would Hornets fans be happy with that?
and as a followup to that,  How could Thunder management consider trading Ibaka? The Heat have shown you need a 3rd piece to defend, hit open jumper to space the floor and rebound. 
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I think the Thunder have the same mindset as you, which is why we'll likely see Harden traded for a high draft pick (which I think will be used to get Brad Beal).
 
Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT

AD showed he can guard on the perimeter against versatile bigs who can put the ball on the floor. Not sure Ibaka can do that. AD can handle the ball too.
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That was on the college level tho....
 
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Who knew Harrison Barnes' nickname was "The Black Falcon"? 
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harrison has no drive and disappeared in games at unc. once his pg went down you knew UNC was done because barner does not have the MJ/Kobe take over a game when a teammate is out.
 
What do you know that everyone else doesn't that indicates Harrison has no drive? He's a gym rat from all indications. The limitations that he has in his game are definitely not from a lack of drive.
 
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Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT

AD showed he can guard on the perimeter against versatile bigs who can put the ball on the floor. Not sure Ibaka can do that. AD can handle the ball too.
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That was on the college level tho....
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Exactly. You guys think AD is going to come in and be as good as Ibaka is? Remember, almost everybody in the NBA was a great college player at one point. You dont think Ibaka was dominating before the NBA?
 
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