Official 2009 NBA MVP Thread vol Congrats to LeBron

[clutchshooter]

Originally Posted by WILLINC

How many times is this guy gonna post Dwight Howard pics ?


hop off

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Originally Posted by TrillipinoTrapstar

it's Clutchshooter, what else do you expect? He always posts wheelchair pics in response to Flash.

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[freddypee]

Im happy with Bron, but I want Kobe to win it (which wont happen)

 

[shuges]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by WILLINC

How i think it should be

1. Wade
2. Lebron
3. Kobe



How it will probably end up(due to the media)


1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade

Honest question, in 06, were you pushing for Kobe to win the award?

I think the situation this year with Wade will shed a lotta light on people that backed Nash or whoever in 06.

As I said, I would have zero problem with Wade getting it this year, IF, Kobe was selected in 06. But since that didn't happen, I don't see how the voters can choose Wade this year. And I hope the backlash is deafening because of it.

Agree with both of you, WILL and CP.

And yeah, I actually was pissed that year 24 didn't get it. That did it for me with Nash. Ever since then, I'm just not a fan of the guy. Great player.And it's not really his fault that the media fell in love with his nuts. But still, that was a total hose job.

Wade is balling and as of right now would be my pick.

But let's all not act as if LeBron isn't answering the challenges. When Beanhead dropped a bomb at MSG, Bron followed up with his own spectacular game.When Wade brings his team back in dramatic fashion to win in Chi, Bron does the same in LA against the Clips. The only knock on LBJ is that he hasn'tplayed "MVP" ball against the Lakers.
But still, against the Heat (though a lesser team), he has.

When it's all said and done, I'm going with the guy I picked early in the season, James (as long as he continues to play at this same level).

 

[allcaps26]

D-WADE MVP

 

[CP1708]

Paul with a triple double
Wade with a win vs the Celtics
Kobe destroys the Rockets single handedly.

We are so lucky to be witnessing these 4 players right now. D12 deserves some love, but against these 4 guys, he looks sorta pedestrian.

Didn't the Rockets duo just clamp down on Lebron last week?

One could make a case that..........nah, I'll wait a bit.

 

[parada45]

I say Wade but LBJ is going to win it.

 

[chris paul 3]

1.Kobe
2. Wade

 

[crossisom]

Originally Posted by SHUGES


And yeah, I actually was pissed that year 24 didn't get it. That did it for me with Nash. Ever since then, I'm just not a fan of the guy. Great player. And it's not really his fault that the media fell in love with his nuts. But still, that was a total hose job.

Same feelings here sort of. I felt the same way about Duncan when Kidd didn't get one too.

 

[MVP]

Originally Posted by SHUGES

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by WILLINC

How i think it should be

1. Wade
2. Lebron
3. Kobe



How it will probably end up(due to the media)


1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade

Honest question, in 06, were you pushing for Kobe to win the award?

I think the situation this year with Wade will shed a lotta light on people that backed Nash or whoever in 06.

As I said, I would have zero problem with Wade getting it this year, IF, Kobe was selected in 06. But since that didn't happen, I don't see how the voters can choose Wade this year. And I hope the backlash is deafening because of it.

Agree with both of you, WILL and CP.

And yeah, I actually was pissed that year 24 didn't get it. That did it for me with Nash. Ever since then, I'm just not a fan of the guy. Great player. And it's not really his fault that the media fell in love with his nuts. But still, that was a total hose job.

Wade is balling and as of right now would be my pick.

But let's all not act as if LeBron isn't answering the challenges. When Beanhead dropped a bomb at MSG, Bron followed up with his own spectacular game. When Wade brings his team back in dramatic fashion to win in Chi, Bron does the same in LA against the Clips. The only knock on LBJ is that he hasn't played "MVP" ball against the Lakers.
But still, against the Heat (though a lesser team), he has.

When it's all said and done, I'm going with the guy I picked early in the season, James (as long as he continues to play at this same level).

I don't believe you.

Speaking of Nash, I think one ofthe major reasons he got that first MVP is that PHX sucked so bad the year before. They went from 29 wins the previous season to 62 wins the following year +33game improvement. This could work in D-Wade's favor as well since the Heat are also on track for a 30 game improvement from last year, the only differencewould be that PHX finished with the best record in the West in 04/05 and the Heat at best will be 4th in the East.

 

[kaygeedagr8]

1) DWADE
2) DWADE
3) DWADE


you get the point but the fact of the matter is that lebron will win it because ESPN love him and is determined to make this award specifically for him!!!

 

[extraordinary swag]

I'll go with D-Wade cuz the rest of his team is garbage. He has to play out of his mind almost every night for them to have a chance at winning. Lebronwill win it though because his team got the better record and Kobe won last year ain't no way he gettin two straight years.

Where's the love for Deron Williams though? Dude is sole reason why Utah had the 12 game win streak and up near the top of the West.

 

[theblackhole76]

I think Wade deserves it in the exact same way Kobe deserved it in 05-06 and lebron did in 06-07.

However, let's not act like Lebron is not playing MVP ball either. All considered, Wade and Lebron's #s are effectively even. Wade is having a beastlyMarch but Lebron has been at an elite level all season. This is ABSOLUTELY not a knock on wade... just that why are so many people acting like Lebron somehowdoesn't "deserve" it and and is getting it BECAUSE of stern, etc.? Kobe, Wade, AND Lebron "deserve" it. Any other year, any of themwould be an MVP. Just that right now Lebron has the #s and the wins...

 

[CP1708]

^
Eh, what the hell, why not?

If you're going to use the argument that Bron has been doing this all year, so he gets it before Wade, ok, I'll live with that.

But then, Kobe has the same wins, slightly less numbers, but has the bigger GAMES above Lebron. Bron got shut down by the Rox. Kobe ethered them. Bron gotbeat down by the Celts without KG. Kobe hit 3 3's in the 4th and sealed the deal in OT WITH KG, and WITHOUT Bynum. Bron got locked up TWICE by theLakers. Kobe while not great, was sick but able to play great D and hit the nail in the coffin shot with that ridiculous fadeaway. Kobe also added theChristmas win for good measure vs the Celts. Kobe also had that damn near perfect 4th quarter vs the Spurs in which he single handedly accounted for likeevery bucket in the final 6 minutes via assist of his own shot, but we lost the game on a foul by Fish.

Yeah LeBron has been great all year, and he gets his triple doubles and has huge games, but in the big games, the HUGE games, the games MVP'swin........where's he been at?

That is something that needs to be addressed.

 

[tunnel vision]

To those who say D-Wade:

Where were you those years when Kobe and Lebron were tops statistically, yet was no closer to MVP than 3rd in votes? I agree that Wade's having a greatseason by carrying his garbage team to the playoffs but its been done before with Kobe and Lebron, while actually having better numbers (Kobe's 35, 5,4& Lebron's 30,7,7). Precedent has been set that MVPs have at least 50 wins and be a division winner, but right now a 45 win season for Miami whatthey're hoping to reach. I think its really a 2-man race between Bron and Kobe with Bron on top for now.

 

[theblackhole76]

Originally Posted by CP1708

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Eh, what the hell, why not?

If you're going to use the argument that Bron has been doing this all year, so he gets it before Wade, ok, I'll live with that.

But then, Kobe has the same wins, slightly less numbers, but has the bigger GAMES above Lebron. Bron got shut down by the Rox. Kobe ethered them. Bron got beat down by the Celts without KG. Kobe hit 3 3's in the 4th and sealed the deal in OT WITH KG, and WITHOUT Bynum. Bron got locked up TWICE by the Lakers. Kobe while not great, was sick but able to play great D and hit the nail in the coffin shot with that ridiculous fadeaway. Kobe also added the Christmas win for good measure vs the Celts. Kobe also had that damn near perfect 4th quarter vs the Spurs in which he single handedly accounted for like every bucket in the final 6 minutes via assist of his own shot, but we lost the game on a foul by Fish.

Yeah LeBron has been great all year, and he gets his triple doubles and has huge games, but in the big games, the HUGE games, the games MVP's win........where's he been at?

That is something that needs to be addressed.

Yeah, I don't deny Kobe either, I was only addressing some of the Wade vs. Lebron arguments. Wade has monster numbers. Lebron has monsternumbers. Wade has an impressive win-total turnaround. Lebron, believe it or not, does too (his team is on pace improve 20 wins, rocketing them to elite teamstatus... a very difficult improvement to make). Wade is critically vital to his team, Lebron is equally as vital. However, Lebron has lots of wins. Wade --not so much.

Kobe vs. Lebron is a completely different comparison altogether, which is why I didn't address Kobe. Not becauseI'm not considering him for MVP either... just because this thread is pretty much a Lebron vs. Wade argument. Even though I have a SLIGHT edge towardsLebron, in my mind I could also make a very good case for Kobe so it's really a tossup to me.

 

[CP1708]

^
Agree completely on the way the comparisons go between Kobe and Bron, and Wade and Bron.

Like I said, this is an awesome race for the award, much like last season was. Good time to be an NBA fan.

 

[willinc]

Its comes down to this just being Lebron's year. He is a hell of a player and his team is playing fantastic. I honestly, don't really have a problemwith him winning it. (He will win it)

Wade won't win the MVP until we get back in championship contention in a year or two.

 

[MVP]

See that's the one thing I don't get, since the before the season started, this year seems to be a coronation of LeBron James by the NBA and I wouldlike to know why.

 

[tunnel vision]

Originally Posted by CP1708

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Eh, what the hell, why not?

If you're going to use the argument that Bron has been doing this all year, so he gets it before Wade, ok, I'll live with that.

But then, Kobe has the same wins, slightly less numbers, but has the bigger GAMES above Lebron. Bron got shut down by the Rox. Kobe ethered them. Bron got beat down by the Celts without KG. Kobe hit 3 3's in the 4th and sealed the deal in OT WITH KG, and WITHOUT Bynum. Bron got locked up TWICE by the Lakers. Kobe while not great, was sick but able to play great D and hit the nail in the coffin shot with that ridiculous fadeaway. Kobe also added the Christmas win for good measure vs the Celts. Kobe also had that damn near perfect 4th quarter vs the Spurs in which he single handedly accounted for like every bucket in the final 6 minutes via assist of his own shot, but we lost the game on a foul by Fish.

Yeah LeBron has been great all year, and he gets his triple doubles and has huge games, but in the big games, the HUGE games, the games MVP's win........where's he been at?

That is something that needs to be addressed.

Both those game were decide by supporting cast becasue of Lebron and Kobe cancelling each other out.

You can make an argument for anyone by nitpicking games to make your player look superior. What about Kobe getting sweep by MVP candidate Howard. Should thatmove him up the list then...ofcourse not. Fact remains is that they both have the total number of losses and Bron's been playing statistically better (by aslight margin) than Bryant and doing it with less help yet theyre record are about even. About the big games...theyre a few coming up on the schedule with BOS,ORL twice, and SAS. If the Cavs get through that and finish with a similar record to the Lakeshow then you gotta give it to Lebron imo.

 

[tunnel vision]

Originally Posted by Mamba MVP

See that's the one thing I don't get, since the before the season started, this year seems to be a coronation of LeBron James by the NBA and I would like to know why.

I guess they figured since he got some help with Mo in the backcourt, he would turn his team into an elite contender. He's met thoseexpectations and more while leading them to the best record in the east and possibly in the league while putting up solid numbers.

 

[jordanfanatic23]

MAMBA.

 

[roc boy jada]

A lot of homer picks in here.

Wade won't win the MVP until we get back in championship contention in a year or two.
And wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by Kobefan23

Just to clarify a small thing, the general rule for MVP is not "best player on best team", but rather "best player on the top 3-4 teams in the league. Like many of you have said, this eliminated Kobe from consideration in '06 and by that criteria it should/will probably eliminate Wade this year.

Exactly. If it was "best player on the best team", KG would've been MVP last year. The criteria is also the reason D-Wade will notbe winning it this year, so nobody has to whine about Kobe not getting it a few years ago.

I don't see how people still complain about Kobe not winning it.

In the last 15 years, how many players have won the MVP without being on a team with one of the best records in the league?

Based on play and team record I think these 3 have a better chance of winning MVP over Wade (not in order):

Kobe
Howard
LeBron

And an argument can be made for Chris Paul.

 

[willinc]

Originally Posted by Roc Boy Jada

A lot of homer picks in here.

Wade won't win the MVP until we get back in championship contention in a year or two.

And wishful thinking.


I guarantee Miami will be title contenders again before the damn Nets. So settle down homeboy.

 

[onetrust]

Originally Posted by Tunnel Vision

To those who say D-Wade:

Where were you those years when Kobe and Lebron were tops statistically, yet was no closer to MVP than 3rd in votes? I agree that Wade's having a great season by carrying his garbage team to the playoffs but its been done before with Kobe and Lebron, while actually having better numbers (Kobe's 35, 5,4 & Lebron's 30,7,7). Precedent has been set that MVPs have at least 50 wins and be a division winner, but right now a 45 win season for Miami what they're hoping to reach. I think its really a 2-man race between Bron and Kobe with Bron on top for now.

Who had better numbers? I hope you ain't implying Kobe had better numbers than Wade? Better POINT avg is the ONLY thing he has on Wade thatyear as far as numbers go. Also, it hasnt' been done before by those two in the sense that he took his team from pretty much being last place to mostlikely having home court in the 1st round. And the last person who did do something like that, Nash, ended up winning the MVP.

 

[miamib30514]

Originally Posted by OneTrust

Originally Posted by Tunnel Vision

To those who say D-Wade:

Where were you those years when Kobe and Lebron were tops statistically, yet was no closer to MVP than 3rd in votes? I agree that Wade's having a great season by carrying his garbage team to the playoffs but its been done before with Kobe and Lebron, while actually having better numbers (Kobe's 35, 5,4 & Lebron's 30,7,7). Precedent has been set that MVPs have at least 50 wins and be a division winner, but right now a 45 win season for Miami what they're hoping to reach. I think its really a 2-man race between Bron and Kobe with Bron on top for now.

Who had better numbers? I hope you ain't implying Kobe had better numbers than Wade? Better POINT avg is the ONLY thing he has on Wade that year as far as numbers go. Also, it hasnt' been done before by those two in the sense that he took his team from pretty much being last place to most likely having home court in the 1st round. And the last person who did do something like that, Nash, ended up winning the MVP.

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