**Official '11 NYK LOCKOUT thread*** lockout over

Originally Posted by QuestLife

^That just makes me realize that Dolan will always be a problem for our teams success, as long as he is the owner.
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As I've always said, the Organization reflects the Owner
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

Don't even tempt me with Bismack info
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Marshon and Billups for D. Rose ? Lol



Funny how Mike D. wants to hire a defensive assistant now, and Amare talkin about defense


I liked how after Miami won games, first thing they mention is defense. Now listen to Mike..smh
 
Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Damn...
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u know u my guy..

Honestly we don't know who the hell were gonna pick

Marshon is at the top of MY list though

along with bismack, jimmer, and faried
 
2 players you can talk to Cavs about now: Ramon Sessions & JJ Hickson. Andy Varejao not available for just a draft pick."

@WindhorstESPN (brian windhorst)


Fields and the 17 DO IT DONNIE !
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Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

read y'all were trying to draft Marshon...
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I honestly think I won't have a positive or negative reaction to anyone we draft.. I'm just going with the flow this time. The Knicks have needs a lot of places, so just take the best player available who can contribute right now. I like a few different guys for different reasons... Marshon included. Not 100% sold on anyone at this point... barring an act of God and the Knicks can land Bismack. 
 
We should look into doing one of these.....

Draft: Brooks, Klay, Jimmer, or Selby and pick up 2 2nd rounders

Trade w/ Pacers: #15 and foster for #17 and douglas

Trade w/ Cavs: Hickson for #17
 
I like Brooks. That's actually who I want looking at the draft realistically. Doubt those other dudes are dropping to 17 (Jimmer, Bismack, Faried, etc.). Tough call between Brooks and Thompson. I'd draft those 2 over Selby though.

@Ballinsam23 Hickson? He's very good but I doubt we get him. Plus he's not playing back up to Amar'e. I don't even know why the Cavs would give him up. Kanter or Williams are not 100% ready to go players. Don't see either being better than Hickson anyway.

We should trade for Sessions. If we can't manage to trade for Nash and Hill.

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Where is Pringles talking about defense? I literally only recall one time he talked about it for an extended period of time this past season.
 
even if dantoni and amare talk about defense it's not like they know what it is

i could go around talking about rocket science but that won't make me know anything about it
 
Man this Knicks in 60 got me with goose bumps and @%!@. Will never forget that night and the buzz that building had.

$+!@ you Dolan, why's this feeling been forgotten already this offseason
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Sig change test - inspired by MSG PA announcer Mike Walczewski, best basketball PA announcer IMO
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i just want to buy a late 1st or an early 2nd. i think someone that can help us from the jump will fall in this draft.

It might be Reggie Jackson, or it might be Faried.
 
I understand getting some 2nd rounders (since it's more feasible) but you want another 1st round pick along with the 17th. We got the owner to spend money aint like we can outright buy a pick
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We don't got much to over in exchange.

Only thing helping us on that is that this draft is seen as "weak"
 
NBA drafts are always depressing.. its always about who is gonna work hardest will do good in the A. Hoping for the best. Can someone refresh my memory.. when is the draft again?
 
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

I understand getting some 2nd rounders (since it's more feasible) but you want another 1st round pick along with the 17th. We got the owner to spend money aint like we can outright buy a pick
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We don't got much to over in exchange.

Only thing helping us on that is that this draft is seen as "weak"
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how do you think we got Toney? We bought the pick from the Lakers for 3 million dollars cash. 
I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Bulls with 2 late-end picks decide to trade one of those picks. 

Last year Dallas got Dominique Jones for cash. It happens in the NBA, just have to be proactive about it.
 
Imagine if we kept Don Nelson as Head Coach.

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[h1]'WRONG MAN FOR JOB'   NELLIE: KNICKS WOULDN'T CHANGE[/h1]

By FRANK ISOLA


Tuesday, March 12th 1996, 1:95AM


  Don Nelson, saying he was the "wrong man for the job," emerged from
seclusion yesterday to defend his reputation and coaching style and deliver a
few subtle jabs to his former players.


  "There isn't anything I didn't like about New York except for the team,"
Nelson said. "I thought the team was old and needed change. I tried to change it
philosophically and it didn't work.


  "I've always told my players that when things go wrong, the first place to
look is in the mirror. And I want to be the first to tell you that that's
exactly where I looked after being released from my job. I have to decide why
I've been fired twice in two years  what I'm doing wrong, what changes do I need
to make as a coach and as a person to get the modern-day player to play harder
and more consistently."


  Nelson was fired Friday after eight months and 59 games as coach of the
Knicks. He looked refreshed and somewhat relieved as he addressed the media for
45 minutes at Mickey Mantle's restaurant after receiving the Award of Courage
from Sloan-Kettering.


  "I wanted to give you guys a chance to talk to me and see that I'm not this
vicious animal some of you think I am," he said. "But don't feel sorry for me.
I'm getting paid."


  Nelson, retiring to a new home on Maui, leaves the Knicks with a winning
record, about $2 million and questions as to why he could not get his players to
perform. 


  "It's a very difficult team to coach," said Nelson, who watched Sunday's
win over the Bulls and said the team would have lost had he been coaching. "It
would have been for anyone else coming in here. The guy with the best chance is
(Jeff) Van Gundy. He's got them in the saddle now and he's going to do it the
way they did it before and I think that's the best way."


  Nelson admitted the Knicks, accustomed to Pat Riley's coaching style, never
accepted his methods.


  "I've always been a very flexible coach and flexibility has always been
part of my teams. . . . That was the wrong approach with this team," he said. "I
think this was an inflexible team, one very traditional and set in its ways.
Whatever I tried early on was not really accepted very well . . . because they
didn't want to do it . . . they wanted to continue with the old ways.


  "I was the wrong guy for the job. I know you've said that already. . . . I
don't disagree with that. I feel very sorry that Ernie (Grunfeld) and Dave
Checketts gave me an opportunity and thought I was the right man. I thought I
was the right man and it didn't work out."



GRAPHIC: NELLIE ON THE KNICKS


Don Nelson, fired Friday as Knicks coach, touched on a variety of topics in
45 minutes with the press yesterday:



On Patrick Ewing, who expressed serious reservations about Nelson's offense
in training camp: "I don't think Patrick enjoyed playing for me as much as I
enjoyed coaching him. We have some philosophical differences. Personally, I
think he needs to be the second-best player on the team at his age. I don't
think he can carry the team physically like he has. I'm not saying anything
derogatory about him, but that's my belief.



On Anthony Mason and the decision to make him the point forward: "Because you
had a very old backcourt, what I wanted to do was get Derek Harper more involved
in the offense as a shooter. We needed that because, as you know, Mason is not a
shooter ... but [the offense] wasn't always accepted by him and the players. I
thought it was a good move and I'd do it again. I was always amazed that Mase
wasn't happier. I don't know why he wasn't happy. He knows that I respected him
and I gave him the ball a lot. I gave him a lot of freedom, but he still wasn't
happy. To this day I don't know why."



On John Starks, whom Nelson tried to get traded and ultimately benched: "I
believe that John Starks should have been moved for Vinny Del Negro. That was a
no-brainer. It would have alleviated all the problems with John had he been
traded.


  "John doesn't like me, but that's okay. I like him. I understand John. I
know who he is. If he just would have relinquished some of his time without all
these antics every time I took him out of the game, I could have left him as a
starter. But there was all this bickering and allegations that I was picking on
him. I was never picking on him really. I hope he sees that now. It was
something I had to do. John didn't take it well. We did have our meetings. We
did talk, but when John gets angry there isn't a lot of talking to do. You
pretty much listen unless you have a loud voice."



On Charles Oakley: "Personally, I really needed Oakley next to me. Of the old
players he was the one player that even though he didn't always agree he was
willing to give something a chance. I needed him at my side. Personally, I
missed him. I really think he's the cornerstone of the whole team."



On Ernie Grunfeld: "Ernie and I never disagreed on anything except the job
that I was doing this year. But I would agree with him I wasn't doing a great
job. But I didn't know how to do a better job. That was my problem."



On Jeff Van Gundy: "I probably learned more from Jeff Van Gundy this year
than he learned from me. And I've had a lot more experience. There isn't
anything he really doesn't have except an opportunity, Things are going along
well right now, but he'll also have some hard times. But I hope you would give
him the benefit of the doubt as he grows into his job."
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