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And win 3 super bowls doing it
But they haven't won a Super Bowl since they started trading their picks, tho.
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But they haven't won a Super Bowl since they started trading their picks, tho.
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The Pareiot way has been overblown due to having the luxury and greatness of Tom Brady. He, like Peyton, can mask a lot of issues. I'm not completely dismissing what they do but it seems like they miss picks and nobody noticed
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But, besides a few can't miss players every so often, the draft is mainly a crapshoot. I would like more opportunities/leeway to miss if I were a GM.
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I thought it would be Sackorpick
mr marcus
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Brady never had the weapons Manning has had. Brady peak was the moss/Welker era
Patriots literally molded Edelman into what he is. Converted qb outta kent st who stalked Wes for years to learn the art.
Patriots literally molded Edelman into what he is. Converted qb outta kent st who stalked Wes for years to learn the art.
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Here comes another Brady vs Manning war
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2 QBs that matter
Better then luck vs Kap vs Russ
Is it a coincidence you put them in that order?
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If you trade back and accumulate more picks you got a higher chance of one of them hitting though
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It speaks volumes on how good both are. Making 'star' WRs out of all kids of talent levels, allowing front office folks to miss on picks as still be praised as a top organization, and having their team in the hunt for a title every year. Not easy to do
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2 QBs that matter
Better then luck vs Kap vs Russ
Is it a coincidence you put them in that order?
I think that's the order of who will finish the season with the most INTs
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It's been statically proven that teams with the most draft picks have "better" drafts.
Gonna fan the flames here a little bit for
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It has felt for weeks, right or wrong, like a quarterback controversy was coming in Washington. On Sunday, that controversy disappeared for all the wrong reasons. A scrambling Robert Griffin suffered a noncontact injury, dislocating his ankle while rolling out to the sideline. The injury led Washington to bring in backup Kirk Cousins, who had an impressive day in leading Washington to a 41-10 victory over a hapless Jaguars team.
First, Griffin. It was obviously sad to see the face of the Washington franchise facedown in pain on the sideline for minutes on Sunday, especially after having battled through a serious knee injury and a year of limited motion on said knee. Washington sources suggested Sunday night that Griffin could be back in four to five weeks, but that seems unlikely.
Every other example of a dislocated ankle I can find resulted in a season-ending injury. In many cases, the injury occurred to a bigger, slower player who had his ankle rolled up in a crowd, resulting in a dislocated ankle and other damage. That includes guys like J.D. Walton, Eric Foster, and Connor Barwin. A noncontact dislocated ankle might be unprecedented. It might insinuate that there’s less damage and that the return timetable might be quicker, but we’ll know more after today’s MRI.
In the bigger picture, this is probably going to be the injury that ends Griffin’s career as a franchise quarterback upon whom a team would depend as a long-term solution. His skills are still there in one way or another, but after an ACL tear in college, assorted injuries including a second ACL tear in his first two pro seasons, and this ankle injury without contact, it would be very tough for a GM to build around Griffin the same way that, say, the Colts are building around Andrew Luck. Griffin will still have a career, but if this is a season-ending injury, he veers away from the Luck career path and more toward that of somebody like Randall Cunningham or Trent Green as the above-average talent who has a few impressive post-hype seasons in between injuries.
For at least the next month, Washington will turn the starting job over to Cousins, who had attracted attention as possibly the better option for Jay Gruden’s offense anyway. He was excellent filling in for Griffin in Week 2, going 22-of-33 for 250 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions. Of course, Griffin had looked good before he left; he started 2-of-3 for 38 yards, and the incompletion was a bomb downfield to DeSean Jackson that was incorrectly ruled to be a drop on the field, costing Griffin a 50-plus-yard completion.7
I wrote about Cousins in December before he came in as the starter for a deposed Griffin at the end of the campaign. At the time, Cousins had looked good in a relief role against the Ravens and won his lone start against the Browns, but he had been brutal in his other pro appearances, especially in terms of avoiding turnovers. Washington brought him into the lineup as a trade showcase for three starts, which came against generous competition. Two of his three starts came against bottom-six pass defenses in Dallas (which finished 27th in DVOA) and Atlanta (last) before finishing up with the eighth-ranked Giants. Here’s how that went:
Split Cmp Att Cmp% Yds Y/Att TD INT Fum Touches/TO
Before December 2013 Starts 48 83 57.8% 604 7.3 4 5 3 11.5
December 2013 Starts 69 130 53.1% 747 5.7 4 5 2 19.6
Total through 2013 117 213 54.9% 1351 6.3 8 10 5 15.3
Against bad competition and with first-team practice reps, Cousins somehow played worse. His turnover rate thankfully improved, but it was still far worse than Griffin’s rate in the same offense; even if you include only Griffin’s numbers from his supposedly disastrous 2013 campaign, he turned the ball over once every 25.2 touches. Of the 47 quarterbacks who threw 200 passes or more in the regular season and playoffs between 2012 and 2013, Cousins was 43rd in completion percentage and yards per attempt, 44th in passer rating, and 46th in interception rate. His rate numbers are an almost exact duplicate for Mark Sanchez’s final season as the starter in New York, when he completed 54.3 percent of his passes and averaged 6.4 yards per attempt. Cousins turns the ball over more frequently than Sanchez did that final year, and he didn’t even get attacked by any offensive linemen.
While 213 passes isn’t an enormous sample, of course, plenty of other quarterbacks have been written off in far smaller doses. Cousins was very good Sunday, but it was against a terrible Jacksonville pass defense that left the likes of Niles Paul and Andre Roberts wide open. I lost count of how many times I saw Cousins complete a pass to a receiver who had nobody within three yards. If he gets to play the Jaguars every week, Cousins will be a star. Perhaps Gruden has suddenly turned Cousins into a self-aware, accurate passer. Given that I saw dropped Cousins interceptions during the preseason and on Sunday, though, I’m skeptical.
It has felt for weeks, right or wrong, like a quarterback controversy was coming in Washington. On Sunday, that controversy disappeared for all the wrong reasons. A scrambling Robert Griffin suffered a noncontact injury, dislocating his ankle while rolling out to the sideline. The injury led Washington to bring in backup Kirk Cousins, who had an impressive day in leading Washington to a 41-10 victory over a hapless Jaguars team.
First, Griffin. It was obviously sad to see the face of the Washington franchise facedown in pain on the sideline for minutes on Sunday, especially after having battled through a serious knee injury and a year of limited motion on said knee. Washington sources suggested Sunday night that Griffin could be back in four to five weeks, but that seems unlikely.
Every other example of a dislocated ankle I can find resulted in a season-ending injury. In many cases, the injury occurred to a bigger, slower player who had his ankle rolled up in a crowd, resulting in a dislocated ankle and other damage. That includes guys like J.D. Walton, Eric Foster, and Connor Barwin. A noncontact dislocated ankle might be unprecedented. It might insinuate that there’s less damage and that the return timetable might be quicker, but we’ll know more after today’s MRI.
In the bigger picture, this is probably going to be the injury that ends Griffin’s career as a franchise quarterback upon whom a team would depend as a long-term solution. His skills are still there in one way or another, but after an ACL tear in college, assorted injuries including a second ACL tear in his first two pro seasons, and this ankle injury without contact, it would be very tough for a GM to build around Griffin the same way that, say, the Colts are building around Andrew Luck. Griffin will still have a career, but if this is a season-ending injury, he veers away from the Luck career path and more toward that of somebody like Randall Cunningham or Trent Green as the above-average talent who has a few impressive post-hype seasons in between injuries.
For at least the next month, Washington will turn the starting job over to Cousins, who had attracted attention as possibly the better option for Jay Gruden’s offense anyway. He was excellent filling in for Griffin in Week 2, going 22-of-33 for 250 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions. Of course, Griffin had looked good before he left; he started 2-of-3 for 38 yards, and the incompletion was a bomb downfield to DeSean Jackson that was incorrectly ruled to be a drop on the field, costing Griffin a 50-plus-yard completion.7
I wrote about Cousins in December before he came in as the starter for a deposed Griffin at the end of the campaign. At the time, Cousins had looked good in a relief role against the Ravens and won his lone start against the Browns, but he had been brutal in his other pro appearances, especially in terms of avoiding turnovers. Washington brought him into the lineup as a trade showcase for three starts, which came against generous competition. Two of his three starts came against bottom-six pass defenses in Dallas (which finished 27th in DVOA) and Atlanta (last) before finishing up with the eighth-ranked Giants. Here’s how that went:
Split Cmp Att Cmp% Yds Y/Att TD INT Fum Touches/TO
Before December 2013 Starts 48 83 57.8% 604 7.3 4 5 3 11.5
December 2013 Starts 69 130 53.1% 747 5.7 4 5 2 19.6
Total through 2013 117 213 54.9% 1351 6.3 8 10 5 15.3
Against bad competition and with first-team practice reps, Cousins somehow played worse. His turnover rate thankfully improved, but it was still far worse than Griffin’s rate in the same offense; even if you include only Griffin’s numbers from his supposedly disastrous 2013 campaign, he turned the ball over once every 25.2 touches. Of the 47 quarterbacks who threw 200 passes or more in the regular season and playoffs between 2012 and 2013, Cousins was 43rd in completion percentage and yards per attempt, 44th in passer rating, and 46th in interception rate. His rate numbers are an almost exact duplicate for Mark Sanchez’s final season as the starter in New York, when he completed 54.3 percent of his passes and averaged 6.4 yards per attempt. Cousins turns the ball over more frequently than Sanchez did that final year, and he didn’t even get attacked by any offensive linemen.
While 213 passes isn’t an enormous sample, of course, plenty of other quarterbacks have been written off in far smaller doses. Cousins was very good Sunday, but it was against a terrible Jacksonville pass defense that left the likes of Niles Paul and Andre Roberts wide open. I lost count of how many times I saw Cousins complete a pass to a receiver who had nobody within three yards. If he gets to play the Jaguars every week, Cousins will be a star. Perhaps Gruden has suddenly turned Cousins into a self-aware, accurate passer. Given that I saw dropped Cousins interceptions during the preseason and on Sunday, though, I’m skeptical.
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How did I miss this?
Laid out.
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But when Sapp did this to Clifton it was a dirty play
Didn't they make this an illegal move now and called it the "Sapp Rule"? haha
Didn't they make this an illegal move now and called it the "Sapp Rule"? haha
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aepps20
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I remember that Sapp Sherman beef like it was yesterday. Put a jersey on.
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Nope, he's got a higher QB rating than Tom Brady.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick has the second highest quarterback rating in the NFL.
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What list did u look at? he's 4th on the one i posted. Although 2 of the guys ahead of him have only played one game (Cousins and Cam Newtons backup)
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Every time I read posts on the PATRIOT WAY and that trading back every draft BS I start cursing out loud to myself.
Don't get me started on that ****.
Belichick's genius as a coach has masked some HUGE blunders as the GM and fans + media let him skate with that.
Man let me get away from here now before I start ranting.
Belichick's genius as a coach has masked some HUGE blunders as the GM and fans + media let him skate with that.
Man let me get away from here now before I start ranting.
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Not after last night: http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
47.0 :x
Big Phil sittin right above Rodgers and Brees
Quaterback rating, not QBR. Two completely different things. QBR is some ESPN ****, like PER.
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Every time I read posts on the PATRIOT WAY and that trading back every draft BS I start cursing out loud to myself.Don't get me started on that ****.
Belichick's genius as a coach has masked some HUGE blunders as the GM and fans + media let him skate with that.
Man let me get away from here now before I start ranting.
Rant away. I want to hear a non-biased, Patriot's fan view of it.
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Do you mean Passer rating? Because QBR definitely stands for Quarterback Rating.Quaterback rating, not QBR. Two completely different things. QBR is some ESPN ****, like PER.
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You mean, Adidas?
You're REALLY acting like this is 100% on Robert?
And FWIW, RG3 on one leg >>>>>>> Kirk Cousins last year. Simple as that.
Kirk, right now, has a fantastic opportunity to show what he can do. There is no QB controversy yet. Cousins has to pretty much play lights out football for there to be one. If it's anything less than Cousins going in God-mode, it's going to be RG3's job when he gets back.
I'm not blaming RG3 100%
I would of never given up all those pics for him in the first place, that's on management.
It's proven picks >>>>>>>>>> a single player.
But RG3 and Co. pinned that organization in a corner.
He knew how much was invested in him, and the business/ media weight he carried.
Dudes a snake and a cornball.
Not to mention an average at best NFL quarterback.
#FACTS
Opinion as facts, huh?
3/3. Keep it going. If you know ANYTHING...and I mean, ANYTHING about Shanahan (and Snyder), then you will know that this isn't solely on Robert. You are letting your vitriol towards the guy cloud any sort of objectivity.
Pretty much. All the "leaks" were Shanahan to Sally Jenkins.
You gonna keep making stuff up to fit your narrative? Where did he say ANYTHING about his possible return?
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