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you are begging the question. the concept of a "gender identity" is where the dispute lies. You believe there is some ghost or spirit inside you called a gender identity and it can be different from your sex.
many people do not. that's why this is controversial.
Gender identity is a social theory not some fact of nature, and no one has to believe in it.
I think we have a two sexes and a whole bunch of personality traits that loosely correlate to sex.
I see no compelling evidence of gender spirits. males can be stereotypically feminine, and a woman can be masculine. none of this necessitates the concept of an internal "gender identity"
and again you brought up intersex people which have nothing to do with this.
it doesn't say any of that any more than a human being being born without a brain stem,
calls into question the fact that humans have brains.
again you keep confusing sex characteristics or chromosomes for sex. sex is the gametes your body is organized to produce.
it's not your genes, or the genitals in isolation. Intersex condition doesn't say anything about trans people as trans people are not intersex.
a trans woman's body is organized around the production of small gametes aka sperm, thus the sex is male. they aren't intersex. they don't have a DSD.
its not reluctant admittance, again if I cut off my arm, is the absence of an arm a new type of arm?
you won't respond to any of these questions because your logic is leads to the absurd.
Obviously there are people who suffer from gender dysphoria and need to transition.
but you have no idea why, you have no idea if they all do it for the same reasons,
and you have no idea if it's a fixed and immutable trait.
and I know you don't know because not even medical science knows.
You can't ignore the fact the science and research behind all of this is incredibly limited.
and the conflation with gayness is also silly, sexual orientation doesn't require experimental medical treatment. All the evidence shows that sexual orientation doesn't really change,
there is previous research indicating that gender dysphoria dissipates with puberty in most cases.
it's not the same thing.
I don't know why you are pretending to disagree with me when you don't.
my point at the top was most people don't believe in the concept of "gender identity" that is seperate from sex, and the differences between men and women is a big part of all human societies,
so naturally trying to insatiate this concept in culture and law is going to be controversial.
the only difference is you believe in the theory of gender identity and I don't.
but as YOU said, this type of change will generate push back.
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