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In the words of Kobe himself, that was one giant bikram yoga stretch right there CP
NBA Legacy Thread, Update Resumes
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In the words of Kobe himself, that was one giant bikram yoga stretch right there CP
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absurdity of Duncan being overrated is just about crazy., ill get to it later...but I think y'all maybe looking at him through laker tinted glasses.
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absurdity of Duncan being overrated is just about crazy., ill get to it later...but I think y'all maybe looking at him through laker tinted glasses.
As I said, I have him at top PF, I have him top 10. Just giving a fairly reasonable argument against him, ya know? More in depth than saying "he sucks, cuz he's tall" or some lame stuff like that.
As I said, I have him at top PF, I have him top 10. Just giving a fairly reasonable argument against him, ya know? More in depth than saying "he sucks, cuz he's tall" or some lame stuff like that.
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1 of the most entertaining threads in a long time.
Keep up the good work, fellas.
Keep up the good work, fellas.
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1 of the most entertaining threads in a long time.
Keep up the good work, fellas.
Keep up the good work, fellas.
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thats a post full of stuff more about the spurs been overrated then it is TD
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thats a post full of stuff more about the spurs been overrated then it is TD
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It doesn't really matter WHY someone won a ring, it is a damn ring. The record books won't say that Lakers was tired so that is why Spurs won. I mean I could see if they only won 1 time then maybe you would have an argument (in your own mind maybe). So can we say the same thing about the Lakers? They only won rings because the Spurs were tired?
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It doesn't really matter WHY someone won a ring, it is a damn ring. The record books won't say that Lakers was tired so that is why Spurs won. I mean I could see if they only won 1 time then maybe you would have an argument (in your own mind maybe). So can we say the same thing about the Lakers? They only won rings because the Spurs were tired?
go some where with that homer crap
Duncan is given credit for the Spurs success, much as people give Shaq the credit for LA's, so when the Spurs fail, Duncan fails, yes? That's all I was getting at. And my angle wasn't the Spurs being overrated, it was that Duncan's career was one of good timing. Picture it this way, if Boston got that #1, and he isn't teamed with the Admiral right off the bat, is he still as great? I'm not hating on the guy there, I'm asking the question that COULD have happened. Same as any player. MJ COULD have been a Blazer. Kobe COULD have been a Hornet. Durant COULD have been a Blazer, etc etc. People prop Duncan up like he has ZERO faults, ZERO failures, and that is simply not true. They have gotten their @#$#@ kicked so many times. But all people say about Duncan is 4 titles. He played more than 4 years though didn't he?
That is what you picked up out of all that?
Maybe you guys don't remember that series, that's fine. I said, and will say yet again, I give the man his credit. I said he is the #1 PF of all time. I placed him within my own personal top 10. I was making an argument ANGAINST because someone asked if he was the be all end all slam dunk at his position. That's all. This was the angle I came up with. And all you guys picked out was that we were tired in 03?
4 titles
an 8 seed, during a shortened season
a Net team coming off a finals run the year before
a Pistons team coming off a finals run the year before
a dreadful Cavs team that got by the aging Pistons team that had like 300 combined playoff games in their career.
Is ANY of that information, untrue? ANY of it?
Ok then, so there is an angle. And I presented that angle, that's all. If someone wants to take the other side of the debate, and give the pro Duncan angle, by all means, I will post that directly underneath his resume, with mine below it. I merely gave the other side of the coin guys. Just as I did Lebron, just as I did Nash. None of it makes me right, it's just a differing opinion. That is what this thread is intended for. Examining these great NBA players careers and resumes. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
go some where with that homer crap
Duncan is given credit for the Spurs success, much as people give Shaq the credit for LA's, so when the Spurs fail, Duncan fails, yes? That's all I was getting at. And my angle wasn't the Spurs being overrated, it was that Duncan's career was one of good timing. Picture it this way, if Boston got that #1, and he isn't teamed with the Admiral right off the bat, is he still as great? I'm not hating on the guy there, I'm asking the question that COULD have happened. Same as any player. MJ COULD have been a Blazer. Kobe COULD have been a Hornet. Durant COULD have been a Blazer, etc etc. People prop Duncan up like he has ZERO faults, ZERO failures, and that is simply not true. They have gotten their @#$#@ kicked so many times. But all people say about Duncan is 4 titles. He played more than 4 years though didn't he?
That is what you picked up out of all that?
Maybe you guys don't remember that series, that's fine. I said, and will say yet again, I give the man his credit. I said he is the #1 PF of all time. I placed him within my own personal top 10. I was making an argument ANGAINST because someone asked if he was the be all end all slam dunk at his position. That's all. This was the angle I came up with. And all you guys picked out was that we were tired in 03?
4 titles
an 8 seed, during a shortened season
a Net team coming off a finals run the year before
a Pistons team coming off a finals run the year before
a dreadful Cavs team that got by the aging Pistons team that had like 300 combined playoff games in their career.
Is ANY of that information, untrue? ANY of it?
Ok then, so there is an angle. And I presented that angle, that's all. If someone wants to take the other side of the debate, and give the pro Duncan angle, by all means, I will post that directly underneath his resume, with mine below it. I merely gave the other side of the coin guys. Just as I did Lebron, just as I did Nash. None of it makes me right, it's just a differing opinion. That is what this thread is intended for. Examining these great NBA players careers and resumes. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
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you really think a great player like Duncan doesnt get a ring some how? that spurs team was built around him. you dont think boston would do the same?
u touched on about all those PF tht had more talent then him. IMO that is what made him so great. he didnt have all the talent in the world but would work on his game summer after summer and add stuff to it. you wont find many bigman that lock down both sides of the floor like he did. he is one of the most clutch players in the 2000's.
u touched on about all those PF tht had more talent then him. IMO that is what made him so great. he didnt have all the talent in the world but would work on his game summer after summer and add stuff to it. you wont find many bigman that lock down both sides of the floor like he did. he is one of the most clutch players in the 2000's.
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you really think a great player like Duncan doesnt get a ring some how? that spurs team was built around him. you dont think boston would do the same?
u touched on about all those PF tht had more talent then him. IMO that is what made him so great. he didnt have all the talent in the world but would work on his game summer after summer and add stuff to it. you wont find many bigman that lock down both sides of the floor like he did. he is one of the most clutch players in the 2000's.
u touched on about all those PF tht had more talent then him. IMO that is what made him so great. he didnt have all the talent in the world but would work on his game summer after summer and add stuff to it. you wont find many bigman that lock down both sides of the floor like he did. he is one of the most clutch players in the 2000's.
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We could knock the Lakers' championships since 2000 too, no?
Not that I am going to do that.
Not that I am going to do that.
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think he's being under sold on how much skill and talent he really had.
Kg was more talented..Webber..maybe..Rasheed..hell no.
Kg was more talented..Webber..maybe..Rasheed..hell no.
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think he's being under sold on how much skill and talent he really had.
Kg was more talented..Webber..maybe..Rasheed..hell no.
Kg was more talented..Webber..maybe..Rasheed..hell no.
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We could knock the Lakers' championships since 2000 too, no?
Not that I am going to do that.
Not that I am going to do that.
No no, absolutely he could have gotten a ring elsewhere, OR, he could have been wasted to death, ala Garnett.
As much credit as we all give Duncan, don't Pop and the SA front office get some love too? What about Admiral? I've seen people around here say that Manu is a HOF'er, if Duncan was in Boston, and their FO was a damn mess, would Duncan be 4-4 right now? That's what I'm askin man. Duncan was in the right place, at the right time. It was a perfect set up for him.
I take nothing away from the guy, I do NOT mean to make it sound like the guy is overrated like Nash is. He is great on both sides of the court, he was clutch in the playoffs, he did work on his game. I give him ABSOLUTE credit for those things. Like I said, I was merely making a case. That's all.
Allen, I was throwing Sheeds raw skill. The guy had no brain, I know that, but raw skill, range from anywhere, high shooting form, quick as hell feet, hell, he gave Duncan more trouble than any PF during their primes, that has to count for something. The guy was just lazy. And we all lost out for that.
No no, absolutely he could have gotten a ring elsewhere, OR, he could have been wasted to death, ala Garnett.
As much credit as we all give Duncan, don't Pop and the SA front office get some love too? What about Admiral? I've seen people around here say that Manu is a HOF'er, if Duncan was in Boston, and their FO was a damn mess, would Duncan be 4-4 right now? That's what I'm askin man. Duncan was in the right place, at the right time. It was a perfect set up for him.
I take nothing away from the guy, I do NOT mean to make it sound like the guy is overrated like Nash is. He is great on both sides of the court, he was clutch in the playoffs, he did work on his game. I give him ABSOLUTE credit for those things. Like I said, I was merely making a case. That's all.
Allen, I was throwing Sheeds raw skill. The guy had no brain, I know that, but raw skill, range from anywhere, high shooting form, quick as hell feet, hell, he gave Duncan more trouble than any PF during their primes, that has to count for something. The guy was just lazy. And we all lost out for that.
Allen, you touched on KG perfectly earlier, tell me, what would David, KG, and Bowen been like defensively in the 01-02 seasons? David and Dunc both cleaned house in the paint, but KG was good enough to chase the whole floor, he could guard PG's if you asked him. And yet still grab boards and block shots down low. Do you see where I was comin from that back then, that 3 on D could have surpassed what Dunc did with them? Or you think I'm totally off the reservation?
Duncan certainly had the 4th quarter nuts that KG didn't, I can't argue there, but in terms of aspects, there were things KG could have been just as great as Duncan, and this convo would be a lot closer, yes?
Duncan certainly had the 4th quarter nuts that KG didn't, I can't argue there, but in terms of aspects, there were things KG could have been just as great as Duncan, and this convo would be a lot closer, yes?
Allen, you touched on KG perfectly earlier, tell me, what would David, KG, and Bowen been like defensively in the 01-02 seasons? David and Dunc both cleaned house in the paint, but KG was good enough to chase the whole floor, he could guard PG's if you asked him. And yet still grab boards and block shots down low. Do you see where I was comin from that back then, that 3 on D could have surpassed what Dunc did with them? Or you think I'm totally off the reservation?
Duncan certainly had the 4th quarter nuts that KG didn't, I can't argue there, but in terms of aspects, there were things KG could have been just as great as Duncan, and this convo would be a lot closer, yes?
Duncan certainly had the 4th quarter nuts that KG didn't, I can't argue there, but in terms of aspects, there were things KG could have been just as great as Duncan, and this convo would be a lot closer, yes?
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correct if im wrong but sheed range for days didnt come till later in his career right? he also didnt start to really lock up on D till later on. which is also when he forgot how to rebound and score in the post
