Mass Shooting Thread: Waiting on the next one.

[hand2handking]

You answered your own question.

im asking whats the difference is in the end result if the person is going to be racist/violent

which matters more the means or the ends?

we know white people are socialized into it

which is why i asked if maybe its inherent

when its alcoholism or other mental illnesses its genetic predispositions

 

[getback]

im asking whats the difference is in the end result if the person is going to be racist/violent

which matters more the means or the ends?

Not every white parent conditions their children to be racist. Thus... if white people were inherently racist, every white person on earth would be racist.

However, if we're talking about if person A and person B arrived at being racist via different methods (nature vs. nurture), I supposed it wouldn't matter. The notion of someone being born inherently racist is ludicrous though, so it's moot.

 

[hand2handking]

Not every white parent conditions their children to be racist. Thus... if white people were inherently racist, every white person on earth would be racist.

However, if we're talking about if person A and person B arrived at being racist via different methods (nature vs. nurture), I supposed it wouldn't matter. The notion of someone being born inherently racist is ludicrous though, so it's moot.

so in essence its a numbers game

the number that do vs the number that dont

and of those that dont how many then take it a step further and raise their white children to not just be not racist but actively fight against it

the notion of passive or tacit acknowledgement is agreement

or going along to get along

 

[MalcolmNewton]

or you know.....hold it in front of them.

Anyway I wonder how much that cost and how heavy they are?

If it's anything like normal ballistic plates you are looking at close to 15 lbs, $60-$90/per plate. Add the kids books/computer/ipad on top of that, that's a lot of weight kids are lumbering around all day long.

 

[getback]

and of those that dont how many then take it a step further and raise their white children to not just be not racist but actively fight against it

Not a lot or at least not enough. Otherwise, the construct of the modern system wouldn't be as stable and unchanging as it has been over generations.

 

[getback]

If it's anything like normal ballistic plates you are looking at close to 15 lbs, $60-$90/per plate. Add the kids books/computer/ipad on top of that, that's a lot of weight kids are lumbering around all day long.

So it's like pick your poison. Do you want to be somewhat protected in the case a shooter attacks your school....or do you want a life full of back/neck/shoulder problems

 

[Nouss]

Hold up, you can wrap your head around black folks being stereotyped in a negative light but simultaneously do so to white and other none black people? The only word you're missing is devil.

This shows that it isnt because your incompetent. Its because your racist.

Dude genuinely asked if white people are inherently mass murderers. Do you hear yourself?

I routinely have to explain to folks that we, as black people, are only asking for equality not supremacy. And its due, in part, to **** like this.

Get up outta here with that bs.

 

[hand2handking]

Hold up, you can wrap your head around black folks being stereotyped in a negative light but simultaneously do so to white and other none black people? The only word you're missing is devil.

This shows that it isnt because your incompetent. Its because your racist.

Dude genuinely asked if white people are inherently mass murderers. Do you hear yourself?

I routinely have to explain to folks that we, as black people, are only asking for equality not supremacy. And its due, in part, to **** like this.

Get up outta here with that bs.

no i asked if they are inherently violent

mass shooting being a byproduct of that violence

ask yourself why are they so attached to their guns if its not because they each reserve the right to "go postal" if they feel so inclined

calling me racist for asking the question and posing it as equality/supremacy is facetious

you can sit on your high horse and act higher than thou but even in this thread it has been noted how metals detectors go n inner city schools yet when has there been a mass shooting in an inner city school?

equality IS being able to ask the question the same way they have for the past 400 years

the only difference is i dont have the societal/historical legacy of violence subjugation and racism

if you punch me equality is i punch you back

supremacy is you punch me i kill you

your version of equality is you punch me and then we agree not to punch from now on

but im the one with the black eye

 

[MalcolmNewton]

David Hogg home swated

CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. - The family of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student David Hogg was "swatted" Tuesday morning, prompting deputies to respond to their Parkland home.

A call came into the Broward Sheriff's Office claiming a hostage situation at the home.

Coral Springs Fire Rescue arrived at the scene to find there was no hostage situation and the call was a prank.

Hogg was not home at the time of the incident and is currently in Washington with his mother to accept the RFK Human Rights award.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

no one is inherently more violent or inherently more racist. there are occurrences that maybe more likely to occur when certain societal, environmental, and economical conditions are met, but that doesnt indicate that all people within that group inherently are a certain way. its like the link between black people, poverty and crime. crime is more likely to be perpetrated by those under the poverty line, and in america black people are disproportionately poor due to history and racial societal factors. but that doesnt mean that black people are inherently criminal. not for people who arent racist atleast. the similarities between mass shooters in this country have less to do with them being white or male and more to do with the the position that white males people hold in this society. and the conditions that come with that

 

[hand2handking]

and when those conditions are met for the ones that come after and are born into it it becomes inherent

like evolution ppl will adapt to their environment

willie lynch letter

like societally no one would pick an obese trainer to help lose weight because the assumption is if that person cant lose it themselves they cant help you

despite the fact that person may be the best person to motivate and push you

but that same obese person can go be an nfl lineman and now is a superior athlete

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

and when those conditions are met for the ones that come after and are born into it it becomes inherent

come after and born into what? what is becoming inherent? the fact that all these conditions can and are probably met by millions of people and not everyone of them turn into a elliot rogers probably points to the fact that theres nothing "inherent" about it. its not like fathers are passing down a "i can deal with my white male fragility" gene to their sons.

 

[hand2handking]

come after and born into what? what is becoming inherent? the fact that all these conditions can and are probably met by millions of people and not everyone of them turn into a elliot rogers probably points to the fact that theres nothing "inherent" about it. its not like fathers are passing down a "i can deal with my white male fragility" gene to their sons.

but in aggregration is it becoming more common or less common?

are these acts increasing or decreasing?

like you said environmental factors prevent everyone from doing it but environmentally is it slanted towards more or less?

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

but in aggregration is it becoming more common or less common?

are these acts increasing or decreasing?

like you said environmental factors prevent everyone from doing it but environmentally is it slanted towards more or less?

how would you even be able to quantify it? i still wouldnt contribute it to an inherent quality as much as i would attribute it to this country slowly becoming more socially progressive, which directly challenges and in essence eats away at the power and dominance of the "straight white male". that power struggle has more to do with societal roles than it has to do with any inherent quality shared by any number of people

 

[Nouss]

no i asked if they are inherently violent

mass shooting being a byproduct of that violence

ask yourself why are they so attached to their guns if its not because they each reserve the right to "go postal" if they feel so inclined

calling me racist for asking the question and posing it as equality/supremacy is facetious

you can sit on your high horse and act higher than thou but even in this thread it has been noted how metals detectors go n inner city schools yet when has there been a mass shooting in an inner city school?

equality IS being able to ask the question the same way they have for the past 400 years

the only difference is i dont have the societal/historical legacy of violence subjugation and racism

if you punch me equality is i punch you back

supremacy is you punch me i kill you

your version of equality is you punch me and then we agree not to punch from now on

but im the one with the black eye

Everything you are talking about is white supremacy.

Not to be confused with white people.

Asking if white folks are inherently violent is the same as asking if black folks are inherently violent.

Im looking at this from an anthropological viewpoint. Humans are scum towards other humans and animals and the earth.

And by any chance you confuse this as me absolving white folks of their past transgressions and continued transgressions in america and abroad today. Stop.

These school shootings are an American problem, it just so happens that white folks are the overwhelming majority of perpetrators.

That doesnt mean the white race is inherently violent.

The hypocrisy is so wild...i dunno if your actually aware of what your saying.

 

[hand2handking]

how would you even be able to quantify it? i still wouldnt contribute it to an inherent quality as much as i would attribute it to this country slowly becoming more socially progressive, which directly challenges and in essence eats away at the power and dominance of the "straight white male". that power struggle has more to do with societal roles than it has to do with any inherent quality shared by any number of people

thats fair

eating away at the power of SWM

but the fact that for whatever perceived situation these people are pickin up guns and shooting en masse points to me another symptom of white supremacy

white privilege

where these people feel it is within their purview to take lives at their discretion

and retain their guns as a means to do so

like i said earlier im not so much hung up on if its inherent from birth

as much as the end result being a system of socialization that promotes white supremacy

Everything you are talking about is white supremacy.

Not to be confused with white people.

Asking if white folks are inherently violent is the same as asking if black folks are inherently violent.

Im looking at this from an anthropological viewpoint. Humans are scum towards other humans and animals and the earth.

And by any chance you confuse this as me absolving white folks of their past transgressions and continued transgressions in america and abroad today. Stop.

These school shootings are an American problem, it just so happens that white folks are the overwhelming majority of perpetrators.

That doesnt mean the white race is inherently violent.

The hypocrisy is so wild...i dunno if your actually aware of what your saying.

distinguishing between white supremacy and white people is exactly what im trying to do by asking the question

if its so obvious that they are not all inherently violent then that leaves environment and society at large

so how do we go about dismantling that?

when there clearly are a number, probably much more than previously thought (that got our president elected?) who are actively subscribing to this ideology

im not saying it to be hypocritical im asking the question the same way a white racist would?

is that not equality?

or is equality to say simply that since its not ALL of them the ones that are are negligible?

 

[sooperhooper]

Humans are top emotional to have a handheld device made to kill. People can't even be responsible with cell phones, [texting and driving] let alone a gun.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

thats fair

eating away at the power of SWM

but the fact that for whatever perceived situation these people are pickin up guns and shooting en masse points to me another symptom of white supremacy

white privilege

where these people feel it is within their purview to take lives at their discretion

and retain their guns as a means to do so

like i said earlier im not so much hung up on if its inherent from birth

as much as the end result being a system of socialization that promotes white supremacy

That i can understand. dont forget to add americas strange obsession with guns and the second amendment.

 

[Nouss]

Man, i loafed and didnt read what frenchbreadbuilds said but dude echoes my sentiments.

You really cant see the parallels you're making and those made by none black racists.

If he wants to continue debating you that is his choice. But im done today.

 

[sooperhooper]

Why is race even being discussed.

 

[Nawzlew]

no i asked if they are inherently violent

mass shooting being a byproduct of that violence

ask yourself why are they so attached to their guns if its not because they each reserve the right to "go postal" if they feel so inclined

that'd be the nurture part of nature vs nurture.

and when those conditions are met for the ones that come after and are born into it it becomes inherent

like evolution ppl will adapt to their environment

willie lynch letter

like societally no one would pick an obese trainer to help lose weight because the assumption is if that person cant lose it themselves they cant help you

despite the fact that person may be the best person to motivate and push you

but that same obese person can go be an nfl lineman and now is a superior athlete

that's not how evolution works.

why would someone losing weight choose an NFL linemen to be their trainer? they might be athletic but know very little about losing weight

 

[MalcolmNewton]

 

[Barbados Slim]

Now we're getting off topic.

If it's anything like normal ballistic plates you are looking at close to 15 lbs, $60-$90/per plate. Add the kids books/computer/ipad on top of that, that's a lot of weight kids are lumbering around all day long.

Word. Well at least solutions are being discussed as foolish as some are.

I never understood why some feel that the students would feel like prisoners if they install metal detectors. Does anyone feel that way at an airport or stadium? It's an inconvenience but we all understand it's for safety. Why can't we assume kids will understand that too?

 

[cragmatic]

Damn, gun nuts are truly threatened by David Hogg

 

[gry60]

Finish this for me;

If you drink and drive (drive drunk) you go to jail and pay fines/attend classes. If you drink while in possession of a gun ________......

You get a blue lives matter tee

where these people feel it is within their purview to take lives at their discretion

and retain their guns as a means to do so

It isn't just white people; it is Americans.

There is no respect for life in this country.

None.

Part of it is the culture (and what people truly value - possessions), and another part of it is the preponderance of guns and the cheapening of life through laws (vague self-defense laws).