**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

[sohi 23]

Honestly tho no matter how immature I think Dlo is, that ham quote yesterday was inexcusable and he should’ve been fired immediately.

He really should’ve been fired when he questioned laker fans living and dying by every game and saying it’s a marathon not a sprint. That was an absolutely ridiculous quote.

 

[jab step]

Honestly tho no matter how immature I think Dlo is, that ham quote yesterday was inexcusable and he should’ve been fired immediately.

He really should’ve been fired when he questioned laker fans living and dying by every game and saying it’s a marathon not a sprint. That was an absolutely ridiculous quote.

Was he calling out Reaves, Dlo, or both? Quote was hilarious . He knew he was outta there so he had to get it off his chest.

Dlo saying he dominated the season and it was only one game where he stunk and he's looking forward to doing what he did in game 2 in game 3 (even though they lost in game 2) to come out and drop 0 in game 3 is an all-timer.

This is after calling out Ham and Dennis for no reason and getting locked up by Keon Ellis. Ham literally benched Dlo till the last game of the Denver series last year. He gave him plenty of opportunities.

And this is after last season in the playoffs saying Minny didn't know how to use him and proceeds to get cooked in the Denver series.

Every time he opens his mouth he comes out and plays terrible.

Get him out of here . But mostly because his flaws are too large in the playoffs.

 

[sohi 23]

Speaking facts jab step

I always tried to give Dlo the benefit of the doubt because of the Byron Scott / Nick Young ****, but he’s really just an idiot. Every time he talks he says something stupid and he’s simply not a playoff player and he never will be.

 

[grittyman]

Honestly tho no matter how immature I think Dlo is, that ham quote yesterday was inexcusable and he should’ve been fired immediately.

He really should’ve been fired when he questioned laker fans living and dying by every game and saying it’s a marathon not a sprint. That was an absolutely ridiculous quote.

It’s ridiculous to say out loud.

But the truth is, the NBA season is a marathon and fans overreact to everything some of people be ready to throw in the towel for a game when the Laker are down in the 1st quarter.

Dude shot himself in the foot with his own words but there were def some truths behind some of the things Ham said. Only someone incapable of reading the room would say them… chalk it up to inexperience.

 

[jab step]

Speaking facts jab step

I always tried to give Dlo the benefit of the doubt because of the Byron Scott / Nick Young ****, but he’s really just an idiot. Every time he talks he says something stupid and he’s simply not a playoff player and he never will be.

I wanted him to succeed so badly here since he was the last piece to Kobe and those rebuilding years, but the sample size is large enough (4 separate playoff appearances). He's not going to cut it in the playoffs.

I'll put aside all the stupid things he says because ultimately they are harmless and it seems like his teammates love him. But from an on-court perspective, if he isn't hitting shots, he's not going to bring much else in a playoff game.

I'm a big fan of his passing ability, but even that falls off in the playoffs.

 

[jab step]

It’s ridiculous to say out loud.

But the truth is, the NBA season is a marathon and fans overreact to everything some of people be ready to throw in the towel for a game when the Laker are down in the 1st quarter.

Dude shot himself in the foot with his own words but there were def some truths behind some of the things Ham said. Only someone incapable of reading the room would say them… chalk it up to inexperience.

I totally agree. What he said made sense, but not coming from him. If a vet coach/established coach said it, it would be looked at differently.

Right message, wrong messenger, and wrong time.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Turner x AD would’ve moved mountains

I recall some folks saying acquiring Turner wasn’t going to move the needle lol

 

[Lizakers]

Ham throwing players under the bus and making the injury excuse pisses me off so much

 

[darthska]

Dude shot himself in the foot with his own words but there were def some truths behind some of the things Ham said. Only someone incapable of reading the room would say them… chalk it up to inexperience.

All this.

 

[MIKE LOWERY]

Wait...



That Darvin Ham quote is real? Ain't no way bruh. True or not, you gotta fire this ***** immediately.

 

[jab step]

Who goes after Dlo, and for what price? I don't see teams really offering him much at all. Where would he even fit? This may help the Lakers retain him for the low as a backup plan if they can't get someone better.

I see Orlando is interested, but how much would they offer him?

 

[darthska]

Not sure if you really want to spend the entire regular season relying on him and when the postseason comes around his one dimensional style can really hurt you.

I’m not sure the answer of how to proceed with him.

I always had my eye on Rui in WAS. I did.
The trouble is this, I think: it's easier to be 'the guy' on a team going nowhere... ever. It's a dangerous thing to learn: that the season doesn't matter. You don't learn performing under pressure... ever.

Different sport, but what we're seeing from Rui right now, (decent in the regular season, frustrating playoffs), this is what I think would happen if Trout were on a consistently contending team, and he's one of my all time favorites.

 

[tupac003]

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Rui was good against Denver and everybody else in the playoffs last year. This was the worst series of his career. Could've swung a game

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

One could argue Darvin Ham RUIned Hachimura

 

[darthska]

The idea that coaches make players do things (like closeout) or prevent players from doing things (like pass better) is frustrating.

 

[grittyman]

Conspiracy guys said Ham took off his Laker gear as soon as the buzzer sounded because he knew this was it.

I love the internet.

 

[essential1]

Who goes after Dlo, and for what price? I don't see teams really offering him much at all. Where would he even fit? This may help the Lakers retain him for the low as a backup plan if they can't get someone better.

I see Orlando is interested, but how much would they offer him?

Or they could just lose him for free.

Sign him and get it over with. Far riskier to piss somebody off, especially one who beats to his own drum.

 

[jab step]

Or they could just lose him for free.

Sign him and get it over with. Far riskier to piss somebody off, especially one who beats to his own drum.

What do you think he gets on the market?

And Dlo has no leverage and isn't good enough to get "pissed" off.

He is 100% going where the money is.

 

[essential1]

What do you think he gets on the market?

And Dlo has no leverage and isn't good enough to get "pissed" off.

He is 100% going where the money is.

It’s not about “what he can get on the market” it’s about him saying “If I leave, I create a huge hole for your roster that you can’t replace easily, if at all.”

There is also a level of reasonableness that both sides would need to negotiate with.
DLo isn’t getting max money. Nobody thinks he will including him. But the Lakers also won’t be able to offer him pennies on the dollar. The likelihood is somewhere around what he’s getting now. Possibly slightly more should he really flirt with leaving and take money elsewhere even if it’s less AAV within a mil or 2, but more years.

The reports regarding last year’s negotiation was Lakers wanted a 2 year guaranteed deal. DLo asked for the opt out. In return DLo waived his no trade.

There’s a bunch of contracts throughout the NBA where guys bleed a few million a year extra from a team because they run out of resources.

and if he’s going to whoever pays the most money, that’s your few million in his direction.

 

[tupac003]

We go back and forth on D.lo...but if we keep it a buck...

If Bron and AD want D.lo back...he will be back.

 

[jab step]

It’s not about “what he can get on the market” it’s about him saying “If I leave, I create a huge hole for your roster that you can’t replace easily, if at all.”

There is also a level of reasonableness that both sides would need to negotiate with.
DLo isn’t getting max money. Nobody thinks he will including him. But the Lakers also won’t be able to offer him pennies on the dollar. The likelihood is somewhere around what he’s getting now. Possibly slightly more should he really flirt with leaving and take money elsewhere even if it’s less AAV within a mil or 2, but more years.

The reports regarding last year’s negotiation was Lakers wanted a 2 year guaranteed deal. DLo asked for the opt out. In return DLo waived his no trade.

There’s a bunch of contracts throughout the NBA where guys bleed a few million a year extra from a team because they run out of resources.

and if he’s going to whoever pays the most money, that’s your few million in his direction.

That's fair. But this is assuming other teams will want him. What team is looking at him for an amount he will accept? His value is in the gutter in my opinion. He has leverage if another team is willing to offer him a contract for a substantial amount of money.

But I do agree. The contract he is on now is a fair rate for him. I just don't think you can ultimately win it all with him as a starter on your team and paying him 18-20 million. We will agree to disagree on that front. That's why if the Lakers do keep him (meaning they couldn't get anyone better than him), it's as a possible asset, but more likely trade filler/salary filler.

 

[Brownstone]

wrong thread

 

[essential1]

I’ll break it down into 4 categories

Any offer under $15mil - He walks
15-18 mil is a steal
18-21 mil is reasonable common ground and good value
21-24 is probably what DLo wants
25+ makes it complicated due to cap commitments to Bron and AD and would require moving Gabe as a salary dump to compensate for all the salaries.

 

[CP1708]

Not trying to give you a hard time but you you haven't offered an alternative to what the Lakers are currently doing. I get that you don't want to resign LeBron but what alternative do we have? We are over the cap, this allows us to resign our current players but LeBron and Russell leaving free agency then we cannot replace them. We just lose them for nothing.

The best we can do is hope for young players to progress (Hood Schino, Christie), get a better coach and maybe consolidate mid-sized salaries and draft picks for a fringe All-Star player.

What does your ideal Lakers offseason look like?

I have said my alternative for about a year now.

2020 was great (obviously) and I wanted them to go all in for another 2021 run. My belief being the clock was ticking on Bron and we didn't have years to waste.

And now we've wasted 4 years.

In 2021 we thought AD would take over and be #1.
In 2022 we thought AD would take over and be #1.
In 2023 we thought AD would take over and be #1.
In 2024 we thought AD would take over and be #1.

I'm good on seeing the same season over again in 2025.

Make a move NOW rather than wait til it's too late.

Can't trade Bron now, right? He wouldn't have a high value with his contract + mileage.

So move AD BEFORE we get to that point. A year early? Maybe. We don't know, given his injury history.
This year he did A LOT to repair that concern. So his value now, in theory, should be higher than it was last year.

Get what you can get. Couple young guys + expirings + picks. Best deal you can find.

Honest Convo with Bron. He can stay. Or, if he chooses to chase ring, we can help facilitate that. But let him have the choice. (In theory, trading AD would basically make the decision for him I would imagine) But don't make it messy. Don't Woj or Shams info thru the media. Keep it quiet, private.

Get back under the tax. Reset your payroll.

Develop your youth and try to add more picks as you can. But also be available for the next (in their prime) star(s).

Get new coach that you empower for multiple years with no Klutch hangin over their head. If we fire Ham, this will be Bron's 4th coach in LA.