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FOH Bron gone be washed up he can't even do nothing with 2 other all Stars against GS. We don't need his clown *** making 40 million a year and he taking games off.
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Bron better than Kobe.
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Nah but this ain't the time nor the place for that debate.
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Easily.
And it doesn't matter if the Warriors are gunna run **** for the next 5 years. If you have Bron on your roster, you always have a shot at the ring.
All it takes is 1 injury and you never know what can happen.
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The disrespect to 2-time NBA world champion Adam Morrison
The disrespect to this former Laker:
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Bron ain't doing a gaddamn thing at age 36 or 37 (with all that mileage) if it's 5 years GS is running things. Send his clown *** across the hallway and let him play with the Dippers. Even the thought is nauseating. If he wanted to come here should have done it 3 years ago, it's probably the dumbest idea I've heard in a loooooong time.
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To be clear, I put the possibility at less than 1%. I'll raise it to like 5% because Magic Johnson is a wizard and can make anything happen, but yeah, it's just fun to talk about. The thought of Bron/PG with Dlo/Ingram/Lonzo/Nance/Zubac 
I need this team to be good again in the worst way
Also, I think Bron would rock 23 over here [emoji]128522[/emoji]
I need this team to be good again in the worst way
Also, I think Bron would rock 23 over here [emoji]128522[/emoji]
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I'd rather see him go to the Clips to play with the banana boat crew.
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lets just dead the lbj talks
focus is #2 and #28 on
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focus is #2 and #28 on
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Despite what the clowns that spout this nonsense would have you to believe. LeBron alone is not making every single team a contender. This team is nowhere near ready.
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I'm hoping for Lonzo and Bell or Bam.
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Ball and I really don't care with 28.
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I feel you, but I lowkey think he has a better shot at winning over here than he would if Wade/Melo/Bron hooked up under Doc. That team would have literally nothing expect the banana boat crew. No depth or defense whatsoever.
The warriors are about to go or are in the midst of a historic run, but KD has a history of injuries. If he got hurt and missed the playoffs, I think a Lebron led team that is well constructed could take down the Warriors without KD. Really the only team I would give a shot to take down the warriors except maybe the Spurs.
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Dude, just stop.
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Yea but he doesn't want to play with a bunch of kids, he's gonna want to move them for vets (Wiggins for Love).
Can't do that for a 35 yr old Lebron.
Can't do that for a 35 yr old Lebron.
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Bron should have lost last year and he had Myrie also playing out of his mind to beat a KD less GS. Even with an injury to Steph or KD he ain't touching them boys. You'd literally be hoping BOTH of them get injured to even have a legitimate chance. It's asinine.
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Anyways...any news on how the ball or Jackson workout went? Would kill for some footage
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I feel you, the age is the biggest concern. Both Lebron's age and the fact that our core would be like a year or 2 away from really competing when Bron is a free agent next year.
But in that letter he wrote in the Lee Jenkins article, he talked about how he knew he had to have patience cuz he was playing with kids. I think he's aware of the situation he would be stepping into in LA. And to be honest, I would move those kids for pieces to compete around Bron, but I don't think that's what Lebron will want to do. He knows he needs athletes and shooting to compete. If Ingram/Lonzo/Dlo show vast improvement next year, and you can pair that with PG, Bron might look at it as his best situation.
And we all know Bron wants to be a billionaire. Playing for the Lakers would get him a lot more fans. Plus working under Magic would be a great sell too. Bron wants to be a team owner and a billionaire one day, I think Magic would be able to sell him on The Lakers making tthat possible like it did for Magic.
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LeBronze ain't going nowhere where he has to teach kids how to win playoff games and Finals games
He would go to a team with vets who know how to get it done in big games i.e. Wade, Melo, CP3 with the Slippers
Plus, he don't want none of the West Coast, he will stay in the Leastern Conference where he can prance to the Finals each year and have a shot at a ring
He would go to a team with vets who know how to get it done in big games i.e. Wade, Melo, CP3 with the Slippers
Plus, he don't want none of the West Coast, he will stay in the Leastern Conference where he can prance to the Finals each year and have a shot at a ring
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Should the Lakers pass on Lonzo Ball for another top prospect?
http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider...-ball-josh-jackson-deaaron-fox-2017-nba-draft
Will the Los Angeles Lakers keep UCLA point guard Lonzo Ball in his hometown or pass on him in favor of Kansas wing Josh Jackson or Kentucky point guard De'Aaron Fox? And what should they do?
Insider's Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton discuss the Lakers' options with the No. 2 overall pick in this year's NBA draft.
Kevin Pelton: When the Boston Celtics landed the No. 1 pick in the lottery with the L.A. Lakers at No. 2, it seemed like we had a good handle on how those picks would go. The Celtics would take Markelle Fultz with the first pick, and the Lakers would get to draft hometown star Ball.
Now, the Lakers drafting Ball no longer appears to be a sure thing. You still had him going to L.A. in your most recent mock draft earlier this week. What are you hearing about their chances of drafting Ball? If you had to put odds on it today, what would you say?
Ford: The Lakers have made a concerted effort to dissuade other teams, agents and the media from believing that Ball to L.A. is a done deal. It's a good strategy for several reasons, but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't taking Ball.
The Lakers want to control the narrative, which is that they -- not LaVar Ball, Lonzo's father -- are running the process. They have new management and need to project strength. They also don't want teams that might be looking to trade up for a player like Jackson and Fox to assume that they don't have to deal with the Lakers. A trade is still very much an option for the Lakers. They'd prefer to start winning again sooner than later.
I also think it reflects a genuine split within the organization about whom the best long-term candidate is. Ball was a clear favorite of the prior administration run by Mitch Kupchak and still has his fans within the organization. But the Lakers also took note on how Fox outplayed Ball in their head-to-head matchup in March. And Jackson has always been another favorite in the organization.
While the feeling is that Ball is a good fit with the Lakers offensively, Fox and Jackson are gritty defenders and vocal leaders on the court, something the Lakers feel the team is lacking. Jackson in particular seems to have some strong supporters in the organization who think defense should be the priority.
I still think they lean toward Ball, but I'd put the odds somewhere like this: Ball 40 percent, Jackson 35 percent, Fox 25 percent.
Jackson comes in Wednesday to work out, followed by Ball on Thursday. Fox will be in, too. Workouts might be key. If one of those players really shines or falters, it will change the dynamic.
Pelton: That seems troubling, given how potentially misleading draft workouts can be, as former front-office executive Ben Falk detailed in a post last week on his site, Cleaning the Glass.
Let's discuss the Lakers' alternative options, starting with Ball. When we discussed him and Fultz last month, I said Ball would be my top pick for most teams, a group that includes the Lakers.
Offensively, I think Ball and D'Angelo Russell could coexist well, because both have the ability to space the floor playing off the ball. In fact, assuming the Lakers hang on to Russell, I think adding Ball could make him more effective.
Russell played well in the second half of the season when Luke Walton nominally made him the shooting guard and Jordan Clarkson the point guard. Ball had a similar effect at UCLA on Bryce Alford, who went from a scapegoat for the team's struggles as a point guard to a highly efficient shooting guard playing with Ball.
Defensively, well, that combination is not great, but Ball and Russell have the size to defend either guard spot.
Ford: I lean toward Ball as well, Kevin. I think he's the best passer in the draft. His floor vision is just special. I think he brings a confidence to the game that is infectious. Ball makes others around him better. His jump shot is ugly, but it goes in, and he has deep, deep range.
Ball has great size for his position. His defense is a problem. And so is his dad. But I think we've forgotten just how special Ball was all season.
With that said, I'd be comfortable with them drafting Jackson. He began the season No. 1 on my Big Board, and I think he's deserving of the No. 2 spot.
He's ready now. He's the best two-way player in the draft. His motor and competitiveness remind me a bit of a young Kevin Garnett playing the wing. He's a natural playmaker.
His only issue, and it's a big one, is his shooting -- both outside shooting and free throw shooting. He started hitting 3-pointers late in the season, but his form is a mess. And his free throw shooting pretty much remained horrific (56.6 percent at KU).
But he can probably get better at those things. Shooting was one reason teams passed on Kawhi Leonard, to whom Jackson has been compared.
Pelton: There are a couple of things worth noting on the comparison to Leonard. The first is that Jackson will be about four months older on draft day than Leonard was when he was drafted after two years at San Diego State.
The second is that my research has found free throw percentage in college is slightly more predictive of NBA 3-point percentage than college 3-point percentage. While Leonard was a poor 3-point shooter in college, he did shoot a solid 74.4 percent from the free throw line.
What about Fox?
Ford: I understand the current infatuation with Fox. He finished the season with a bang. He has aced every interview he has done -- he makes a strong impression as a person.
Fox brings elite quickness and speed to the game, and leadership on both ends of the court. But his jump shot is a major work in progress, he struggles to go right on drives, and it's unclear how his thin frame will hold up to the daily physicality of the NBA. Those are considerable flaws.
To me, the choice is Ball or Jackson, and if I were drafting today, I'd probably take Ball.
Pelton: My recent story on the importance of the pull-up 3 for NBA point guards sharpened my concerns about Fox. Young point guards with similar difficulty shooting the 3 have tended to disappoint. Basically, a team drafting Fox in the top five is counting on him either figuring out the jumper or being an outlier on the scale of John Wall. I wouldn't be comfortable taking that risk at No. 2 in the draft this year.
While I would do my diligence on Jackson and Fox, to me Ball is clearly far ahead of those two players as prospects. One important thing we've discussed in the past is how much better the chances are of success for a prospect who is in the top 10 of my stats-only projections as well as the top 10 of the draft prospect rankings. Jackson (who ranks 30th in my stats-only projections) and Fox (34th) don't meet that criteria.
The other players besides Fultz and Ball who do -- Zach Collins, Jonathan Isaac and Dennis Smith -- aren't apparently in consideration by the Lakers. So I would take Ball at No. 2, assuming Fultz goes No. 1.
Insider's Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton discuss the Lakers' options with the No. 2 overall pick in this year's NBA draft.
Kevin Pelton: When the Boston Celtics landed the No. 1 pick in the lottery with the L.A. Lakers at No. 2, it seemed like we had a good handle on how those picks would go. The Celtics would take Markelle Fultz with the first pick, and the Lakers would get to draft hometown star Ball.
Now, the Lakers drafting Ball no longer appears to be a sure thing. You still had him going to L.A. in your most recent mock draft earlier this week. What are you hearing about their chances of drafting Ball? If you had to put odds on it today, what would you say?
Ford: The Lakers have made a concerted effort to dissuade other teams, agents and the media from believing that Ball to L.A. is a done deal. It's a good strategy for several reasons, but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't taking Ball.
The Lakers want to control the narrative, which is that they -- not LaVar Ball, Lonzo's father -- are running the process. They have new management and need to project strength. They also don't want teams that might be looking to trade up for a player like Jackson and Fox to assume that they don't have to deal with the Lakers. A trade is still very much an option for the Lakers. They'd prefer to start winning again sooner than later.
I also think it reflects a genuine split within the organization about whom the best long-term candidate is. Ball was a clear favorite of the prior administration run by Mitch Kupchak and still has his fans within the organization. But the Lakers also took note on how Fox outplayed Ball in their head-to-head matchup in March. And Jackson has always been another favorite in the organization.
While the feeling is that Ball is a good fit with the Lakers offensively, Fox and Jackson are gritty defenders and vocal leaders on the court, something the Lakers feel the team is lacking. Jackson in particular seems to have some strong supporters in the organization who think defense should be the priority.
I still think they lean toward Ball, but I'd put the odds somewhere like this: Ball 40 percent, Jackson 35 percent, Fox 25 percent.
Jackson comes in Wednesday to work out, followed by Ball on Thursday. Fox will be in, too. Workouts might be key. If one of those players really shines or falters, it will change the dynamic.
Pelton: That seems troubling, given how potentially misleading draft workouts can be, as former front-office executive Ben Falk detailed in a post last week on his site, Cleaning the Glass.
Let's discuss the Lakers' alternative options, starting with Ball. When we discussed him and Fultz last month, I said Ball would be my top pick for most teams, a group that includes the Lakers.
Offensively, I think Ball and D'Angelo Russell could coexist well, because both have the ability to space the floor playing off the ball. In fact, assuming the Lakers hang on to Russell, I think adding Ball could make him more effective.
Russell played well in the second half of the season when Luke Walton nominally made him the shooting guard and Jordan Clarkson the point guard. Ball had a similar effect at UCLA on Bryce Alford, who went from a scapegoat for the team's struggles as a point guard to a highly efficient shooting guard playing with Ball.
Defensively, well, that combination is not great, but Ball and Russell have the size to defend either guard spot.
Ford: I lean toward Ball as well, Kevin. I think he's the best passer in the draft. His floor vision is just special. I think he brings a confidence to the game that is infectious. Ball makes others around him better. His jump shot is ugly, but it goes in, and he has deep, deep range.
Ball has great size for his position. His defense is a problem. And so is his dad. But I think we've forgotten just how special Ball was all season.
With that said, I'd be comfortable with them drafting Jackson. He began the season No. 1 on my Big Board, and I think he's deserving of the No. 2 spot.
He's ready now. He's the best two-way player in the draft. His motor and competitiveness remind me a bit of a young Kevin Garnett playing the wing. He's a natural playmaker.
His only issue, and it's a big one, is his shooting -- both outside shooting and free throw shooting. He started hitting 3-pointers late in the season, but his form is a mess. And his free throw shooting pretty much remained horrific (56.6 percent at KU).
But he can probably get better at those things. Shooting was one reason teams passed on Kawhi Leonard, to whom Jackson has been compared.
Pelton: There are a couple of things worth noting on the comparison to Leonard. The first is that Jackson will be about four months older on draft day than Leonard was when he was drafted after two years at San Diego State.
The second is that my research has found free throw percentage in college is slightly more predictive of NBA 3-point percentage than college 3-point percentage. While Leonard was a poor 3-point shooter in college, he did shoot a solid 74.4 percent from the free throw line.
What about Fox?
Ford: I understand the current infatuation with Fox. He finished the season with a bang. He has aced every interview he has done -- he makes a strong impression as a person.
Fox brings elite quickness and speed to the game, and leadership on both ends of the court. But his jump shot is a major work in progress, he struggles to go right on drives, and it's unclear how his thin frame will hold up to the daily physicality of the NBA. Those are considerable flaws.
To me, the choice is Ball or Jackson, and if I were drafting today, I'd probably take Ball.
Pelton: My recent story on the importance of the pull-up 3 for NBA point guards sharpened my concerns about Fox. Young point guards with similar difficulty shooting the 3 have tended to disappoint. Basically, a team drafting Fox in the top five is counting on him either figuring out the jumper or being an outlier on the scale of John Wall. I wouldn't be comfortable taking that risk at No. 2 in the draft this year.
While I would do my diligence on Jackson and Fox, to me Ball is clearly far ahead of those two players as prospects. One important thing we've discussed in the past is how much better the chances are of success for a prospect who is in the top 10 of my stats-only projections as well as the top 10 of the draft prospect rankings. Jackson (who ranks 30th in my stats-only projections) and Fox (34th) don't meet that criteria.
The other players besides Fultz and Ball who do -- Zach Collins, Jonathan Isaac and Dennis Smith -- aren't apparently in consideration by the Lakers. So I would take Ball at No. 2, assuming Fultz goes No. 1.
http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider...-ball-josh-jackson-deaaron-fox-2017-nba-draft
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This Ball smokescreen is pretty simple if the Lakers come out and say he’s our guy, then the Celtics have leverage to use against them since they pick 1st. No smart organization would ever do that. It's all posturing. Zo was the pick the moment they were announced at 2.
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@ ya'll spending 2 pages talking about the possibility of Lebron coming here. Do ya'll ever read before you post and think "This is pointless talking about"?
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