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on both points, yes.Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT
thats where your theory is flawed.Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
My logic is simply impenetrable on this one, it would be silly to assume that it is steroids.
Just because you are uninformed about what makes a duck a duck doesn't make it a duck....uh..yeah.
Looks the same size to me.
I don't buy the steroids, not enough evidence.
EDIT:
Actually no evidence really.
Juicing doesnt necessarily make an athlete bigger , it helps you at whatever you train for. Track & Field sprinters use PEDs and they dont do it to get bigger, they do it to get faster.
if a hitter with Warning trrack power juiced, it turns those Fly balls into Homer runs and wall shots.
btw, you're looking in the wrong spot, an athletes base is his legs, and if he would want to make himself stronger and increase speed and endurance the biggest change would be his mid area and lower half
I understand this, I was just using other peoples logic against them, posting before anf after pictures seems to be an unreliable measure of PED use and it seems you agree with me.
My point is PED's can't make garbage great...
on both points, yes.Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT
thats where your theory is flawed.Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
My logic is simply impenetrable on this one, it would be silly to assume that it is steroids.
Just because you are uninformed about what makes a duck a duck doesn't make it a duck....uh..yeah.
Looks the same size to me.
I don't buy the steroids, not enough evidence.
EDIT:
Actually no evidence really.
Juicing doesnt necessarily make an athlete bigger , it helps you at whatever you train for. Track & Field sprinters use PEDs and they dont do it to get bigger, they do it to get faster.
if a hitter with Warning trrack power juiced, it turns those Fly balls into Homer runs and wall shots.
btw, you're looking in the wrong spot, an athletes base is his legs, and if he would want to make himself stronger and increase speed and endurance the biggest change would be his mid area and lower half
I understand this, I was just using other peoples logic against them, posting before anf after pictures seems to be an unreliable measure of PED use and it seems you agree with me.
My point is PED's can't make garbage great...
Osh is a smart dude so he sounds always convincing. Doesn't mean he's right. He can quote a study from whoever and whatever he likes claiming that steroids don't help guys and you and I know that simply isn't true. Why were 95% of the guys taking it if there was no advantage? The guy is quoting some scientist who claims upper body strength has no benefit in hitting a baseball...Does anyone in their right mind believe that?Originally Posted by franchise3
My dude Osh, won
Osh is a smart dude so he sounds always convincing. Doesn't mean he's right. He can quote a study from whoever and whatever he likes claiming that steroids don't help guys and you and I know that simply isn't true. Why were 95% of the guys taking it if there was no advantage? The guy is quoting some scientist who claims upper body strength has no benefit in hitting a baseball...Does anyone in their right mind believe that?Originally Posted by franchise3
My dude Osh, won
You act like there haven't been PED's that flew under the radar.Originally Posted by franchise3
All I know is, wouldn't Bautista be the FIRST dude to get random testing done on him?
But yet, not a peep about him using anything.
You act like there haven't been PED's that flew under the radar.Originally Posted by franchise3
All I know is, wouldn't Bautista be the FIRST dude to get random testing done on him?
But yet, not a peep about him using anything.
I still love baseball but to me after the era we went through if someone puts up gaudy numbers I don't give them the benefit of the doubt anymore unless they fit a certain type of physical build that I see conducive to power numbers or have consistently produced for a long time. I just posted an article on how testing is still lackluster, the chances of you getting caught juicing up during the off-season are so minimal its a smart risk for a lot of guys still. If Baustista was on pace to hit 40 home runs would it be different? Sure, I could believe it.Originally Posted by Proshares
I'm shocked at AMP's argumentyou really went out there man, it just sounds like you don't or never will believe anyone can cleanly do something in MLB.
Bautista didn't just come out of nowhere, he bounced around from a few teams in 04 and had only THREE full season in Pittsburgh. It's not like he's a player with a ton of years experience. Dwayne Murphy and Cito Gaston began working and tinkering with his swing in 2008 and it led to a breakout in September of 2009.
Look at the steroid era, the averages around the league were through the roof. So you mean that you really believe that Bautista is the one player who has found the magical substance that no one else has? I doubt that. It's easy nowadays to jump out and say "100% certain he's a user" before than looking at the whole argument.
I still love baseball but to me after the era we went through if someone puts up gaudy numbers I don't give them the benefit of the doubt anymore unless they fit a certain type of physical build that I see conducive to power numbers or have consistently produced for a long time. I just posted an article on how testing is still lackluster, the chances of you getting caught juicing up during the off-season are so minimal its a smart risk for a lot of guys still. If Baustista was on pace to hit 40 home runs would it be different? Sure, I could believe it.Originally Posted by Proshares
I'm shocked at AMP's argumentyou really went out there man, it just sounds like you don't or never will believe anyone can cleanly do something in MLB.
Bautista didn't just come out of nowhere, he bounced around from a few teams in 04 and had only THREE full season in Pittsburgh. It's not like he's a player with a ton of years experience. Dwayne Murphy and Cito Gaston began working and tinkering with his swing in 2008 and it led to a breakout in September of 2009.
Look at the steroid era, the averages around the league were through the roof. So you mean that you really believe that Bautista is the one player who has found the magical substance that no one else has? I doubt that. It's easy nowadays to jump out and say "100% certain he's a user" before than looking at the whole argument.
Originally Posted by Kevin Cleveland
Osh's narcissism puts mine to shame.