John Salley On Michael Jordan! "He's Not The Greatest Player Ever"

[iamyourfather]

More disconcerting should be the dudes on Lebron's jock. He should not be in this type of conversation. Hell, even Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe should not be in this conversation.

whats crazy to me is the disrespect laker fans have towards shaq... these short memory dudes acting like kobe led the lakers to 3 straight and shaq's just a scumbag who left the team. 

shaq deserves a statue in l.a more than kobe does. or at least before him. kobe has never dominated and brought the success to that franchise the way shaq did. ever. 

shaq averaging 38 and 17 = beast. 

 

[iamyourfather]

For Magic Johnson's sake, I'm sure he was rather be HIV positive than be compared or mentioned with Rajon Rondo..............and I can't say that I would blame him.

 

[flyerthandelta]

 

[ayodude]

More disconcerting should be the dudes on Lebron's jock. He should not be in this type of conversation. Hell, even Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe should not be in this conversation.

 I mean I was feeling everything you were saying until I saw Kobe, dude is type nice. He could be considered amon the greats and should be in the conversation.

 

[3900stabler]

Saying Jordan is better than Lebron, aight I get that. My very first post in this thread acknowledged that.
But KOBE? Really? Since Lebron has came into the league he has OWNED kobe completely. I also don't understand how Lebron gets picked on for playing with D-Wade and Bosh when Kobe in his career has played with Shaq, Pau, Karl Malone, GP, and now Steve Nash & Dwight Howard all the while being coached by Phil Jackson for 10 plus years. (Without that help, Kobe went on record stating he would rather play on another planet than play for the Lakers but I digress )
Kobe has never shot over 50% in a season, never been upwards of 6 assist in a season, has never rebounded over 7 a game for a season, and you want to bring up "LeChoke" and his playoff failures why not look at 04' against detroit, 08 against the C's when Paul Pierce shut him down, or even in game 7 in 06' second half.
I'm not even that big of a stat guy but I don't see how you can come up with Kobe>Lebron. Baffling.

Let's also remember Kobe in Game 7 of 2010 finals missing 18/24 shots @ home vs Boston. Ron Artest defense against Pierce and timely shooting in the 4th saved Kobe from one of the worst performances an elite player has ever had. But when I bring that up Laker fans run to Kobe defense and talk about his 15 rebounds. These same Laker fans are the same ones that ripped LBJ in his last game as a cav for not being a clutch player yet he went triple-double on the C's and he was going through the motions.

Let's not forget Kobe's choke job vs OKC this past postseason. Laker fans keep telling me how much D. Fish sucks but he hit the biggest shot in that finals vs Orlando. If D. fish misses that 3 the series is tied 2-2 with game 5 in Orlando. I firmly believe orlando would have and should have won the title that year. And how has no one brung up Kobe getting swept by the Mavs in the second round last year. Now everybody claim the Mavs are soft. Didn't look soft the me.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

how am i ignoring 2012? when did i type "2012 was a fluke" or anything similar to dismiss this year's title?
i'm bringing up 2011 because what lebron did was pathetic, and yes the mavs were the softest team in the finals since the 2006 mavs, the 2 softest teams to make it to the finals since before i was born
and i never said the 06 team was tougher, i said they were the softest team since the previous mavs team that got beat by the refs and dwade's 900,000 free throws

the entire league considered them soft, even their own coach called them out in the 11 season to the media calling them soft. 

oh wait he's a liar, their own coach called them soft but i'm wrong, they're the toughest team since the bad boy pistons 
lol@ shawn marion  a great defender. the nets werent soft, k-mart by himself was tougher than their starting 5 minus tyson chandler. they had a prime j-kidd, prime richard jefferson all of whom were stronger and more athletic than oldass jason kidd, jason terry (who at 33/34 years of age out scored LEBRON IN HIS PRIME IN THE FINALS)

there is nobody on that mavs roster who can even be considered close to a 'lebron stopper' and shawn marion definitely isnt one of them. that wasnt a kobe-bruce bowen match up. lebron is clearly bigger, stronger, faster, younger, better than shawn marion. 

and yet he averages 17.8 per game


but in your eyes this year's title erases all of that. and the mavs AREN'T soft. dirk isn't soft. jet terry isnt soft. peja stojakovic smh

and they beat the heat without caron butler. 

defend 17.8 ppg and a PRIME lebron dropping his scoring average almost 9ppg in the finals from the regular season. 

First you said they were the softest team in 30 years and then in 5 years. What consistency. You keep saying the EXACT same trolling that is said by Skip Brainless in the Mark Cuban video I posted, but you won't address the video and Cuban owning your arguments based on simplistic trolling with arguments based on facts. I repeat what Cuban said about LeBron in the 2011 finals:

"LeBron actually played it right more often than not. He made the right pass to the right guy who didn't make the right play. And that's exactly what we wanted."

You're trying to argue that a team whose leading rebounder averaged 7.5 rebounds per game (not a typo). You cannot be taken seriously. Laughing at Shawn Marion being a great defender while simultaneously trying to portray Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson as some tough guys.

It wasn't only Shawn Marion LeBron had to beat. If he beat him, he had Tyson Chandler waiting for him under the basket. I can also say that Kobe got completely shut down by Tayshaun Prince in the 2004 finals.

If you try to put the most negative spin possible on a player's career, you can do it with any player. Including Jordan. For example, I can say that when he retired the first time, the Bulls won only two less games without him. When LeBron left the Cavaliers, they won 42 games less without him. At the age of 38, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won a championship and was the Finals MVP. At the age of 38, Jordan missed the playoffs. At the age of 39, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was all-NBA 1st team. At the age of 39, Jordan wasn't even all-NBA 3rd team. Jordan losing the ball to Nick Anderson and getting kicked out of the 95 playoffs was PATHETIC as well. You can keep pointing out LeBron's 17.8, but the fact is that it won't have a negative effect on his legacy:

Larry Bird averaged 15.3 on .419 shooting in a finals.
Magic Johnson averaged 16.2 and was outscored by 10 points by Andrew Toney, a player most people here haven't even heard of, yet Magic was the finals MVP that series. The following year he averaged 18.0 in the finals and lost.
Kobe averaged 15.6 points on .367 shooting and was outscored by a 34 year-old Reggie Miller by 9 points.
Shaq averaged 13.7.

 

[3900stabler]

First you said they were the softest team in 30 years and then in 5 years. What consistency. You keep saying the EXACT same trolling that is said by Skip Brainless in the Mark Cuban video I posted, but you won't address the video and Cuban owning your arguments based on simplistic trolling with arguments based on facts. I repeat what Cuban said about LeBron in the 2011 finals:
"LeBron actually played it right more often than not. He made the right pass to the right guy who didn't make the right play. And that's exactly what we wanted."
You're trying to argue that a team whose leading rebounder averaged 7.5 rebounds per game (not a typo). You cannot be taken seriously. Laughing at Shawn Marion being a great defender while simultaneously trying to portray Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson as some tough guys.
It wasn't only Shawn Marion LeBron had to beat. If he beat him, he had Tyson Chandler waiting for him under the basket. I can also say that Kobe got completely shut down by Tayshaun Prince in the 2004 finals.
If you try to put the most negative spin possible on a player's career, you can do it with any player. Including Jordan. For example, I can say that when he retired the first time, the Bulls won only two less games without him. When LeBron left the Cavaliers, they won 42 games less without him. At the age of 38, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won a championship and was the Finals MVP. At the age of 38, Jordan missed the playoffs. At the age of 39, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was all-NBA 1st team. At the age of 39, Jordan wasn't even all-NBA 3rd team. Jordan losing the ball to Nick Anderson and getting kicked out of the 95 playoffs was PATHETIC as well. You can keep pointing out LeBron's 17.8, but the fact is that it won't have a negative effect on his legacy:

Larry Bird averaged 15.3 on .419 shooting in a finals.
Magic Johnson averaged 16.2 and was outscored by 10 points by Andrew Toney, a player most people here haven't even heard of, yet Magic was the finals MVP that series. The following year he averaged 18.0 in the finals and lost.
Kobe averaged 15.6 points on .367 shooting and was outscored by a 34 year-old Reggie Miller by 9 points.
Shaq averaged 13.7.

Don't waste your time by presenting balanced and objective analysis with facts and figures. There will always be a section of the population that will always be irrational and hate-filled when it comes to Lebron

 

[knightlovesqueen]

 

[iamyourfather]

First you said they were the softest team in 30 years and then in 5 years. What consistency. You keep saying the EXACT same trolling that is said by Skip Brainless in the Mark Cuban video I posted, but you won't address the video and Cuban owning your arguments based on simplistic trolling with arguments based on facts. I repeat what Cuban said about LeBron in the 2011 finals:
"LeBron actually played it right more often than not. He made the right pass to the right guy who didn't make the right play. And that's exactly what we wanted."
You're trying to argue that a team whose leading rebounder averaged 7.5 rebounds per game (not a typo). You cannot be taken seriously. Laughing at Shawn Marion being a great defender while simultaneously trying to portray Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson as some tough guys.
It wasn't only Shawn Marion LeBron had to beat. If he beat him, he had Tyson Chandler waiting for him under the basket. I can also say that Kobe got completely shut down by Tayshaun Prince in the 2004 finals.
If you try to put the most negative spin possible on a player's career, you can do it with any player. Including Jordan. For example, I can say that when he retired the first time, the Bulls won only two less games without him. When LeBron left the Cavaliers, they won 42 games less without him. At the age of 38, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won a championship and was the Finals MVP. At the age of 38, Jordan missed the playoffs. At the age of 39, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was all-NBA 1st team. At the age of 39, Jordan wasn't even all-NBA 3rd team. Jordan losing the ball to Nick Anderson and getting kicked out of the 95 playoffs was PATHETIC as well. You can keep pointing out LeBron's 17.8, but the fact is that it won't have a negative effect on his legacy:

Larry Bird averaged 15.3 on .419 shooting in a finals.
Magic Johnson averaged 16.2 and was outscored by 10 points by Andrew Toney, a player most people here haven't even heard of, yet Magic was the finals MVP that series. The following year he averaged 18.0 in the finals and lost.
Kobe averaged 15.6 points on .367 shooting and was outscored by a 34 year-old Reggie Miller by 9 points.
Shaq averaged 13.7.

1. i said the mavs in 06 and 2011 are the 2 softest teams to make the finals in 32 years AND that the 2011 mavs are the softest team to make the finals SINCE the 06 mavs. since meaning that there have been 5 other teams SINCE the 06 team and the 2011 mavs are the softest SINCE that team. so yes, i'm repeating myself and you're not reading it right

2. mark cuban said what he said because people weren't giving the mavs credit for their schemes against the heat. the fact is lebron being the player everyone is hyping him up to be here ("the player that's affected the game more than ANYBODY IN L EAGUE HISTORY") should rise above and beyond game plans and defenders. 

but he didnt

you know who did that series? Dwyane wade who had 26.5, 7 AND 5 on 51% shooting. 

DWADe's stat line was up in points, rebounds and assists from the regular season

was dwade facing a different defense? were the mavs ignoring him? Dwade stepped it up, lebron faded. blame it on other players all you want. lol "lebron made the right pass but other players just didnt hit the s hots" what a joke. 

it is inexcusable for a player of lebron's stature, top 2 in the league, hell top player in the league, to score 6 points in FIVE FOURTH QUARTERS IN THE NBA FINALS

3. and your magic and bird stats are nice, what do they have in common with lebron? NEITHER player you mentioned should be considered goats for that very reason.

Jordan's career playoff numbers > regular season numbers. when the stage got bigger, his game got bigger. there hasnt been a more impressive finals performance since jordan's 93 finals, except maybe shaq's 38 and 16 on 61% shooting

i've taken nothing away from lebron in 2012. find a post where i've even remotely diminished the heats accomplishments in this thread. i'll paypal you 200$

the fact is he was 0-2 before this year. dominated twice in the finals. the goat was never dominated in the finals

i accept your apology

 

[shoeking2101]

Let's also remember Kobe in Game 7 of 2010 finals missing 18/24 shots @ home vs Boston. Ron Artest defense against Pierce and timely shooting in the 4th saved Kobe from one of the worst performances an elite player has ever had. But when I bring that up Laker fans run to Kobe defense and talk about his 15 rebounds. These same Laker fans are the same ones that ripped LBJ in his last game as a cav for not being a clutch player yet he went triple-double on the C's and he was going through the motions.
Let's not forget Kobe's choke job vs OKC this past postseason. Laker fans keep telling me how much D. Fish sucks but he hit the biggest shot in that finals vs Orlando. If D. fish misses that 3 the series is tied 2-2 with game 5 in Orlando. I firmly believe orlando would have and should have won the title that year. And how has no one brung up Kobe getting swept by the Mavs in the second round last year. Now everybody claim the Mavs are soft. Didn't look soft the me.

 

[knightlovesqueen]

1. i said the mavs in 06 and 2011 are the 2 softest teams to make the finals in 32 years AND that the 2011 mavs are the softest team to make the finals SINCE the 06 mavs. since meaning that there have been 5 other teams SINCE the 06 team and the 2011 mavs are the softest SINCE that team. so yes, i'm repeating myself and you're not reading it right

2. mark cuban said what he said because people weren't giving the mavs credit for their schemes against the heat. the fact is lebron being the player everyone is hyping him up to be here ("the player that's affected the game more than ANYBODY IN L EAGUE HISTORY") should rise above and beyond game plans and defenders. 
but he didnt
you know who did that series? Dwyane wade who had 26.5, 7 AND 5 on 51% shooting. 
DWADe's stat line was up in points, rebounds and assists from the regular season


was dwade facing a different defense? were the mavs ignoring him? Dwade stepped it up, lebron faded. blame it on other players all you want. lol "lebron made the right pass but other players just didnt hit the s hots" what a joke. 

it is inexcusable for a player of lebron's stature, top 2 in the league, hell top player in the league, to score 6 points in FIVE FOURTH QUARTERS IN THE NBA FINALS

3. and your magic and bird stats are nice, what do they have in common with lebron? NEITHER player you mentioned should be considered goats for that very reason.
Jordan's career playoff numbers > regular season numbers. when the stage got bigger, his game got bigger. there hasnt been a more impressive finals performance since jordan's 93 finals, except maybe shaq's 38 and 16 on 61% shooting


i've taken nothing away from lebron in 2012. find a post where i've even remotely diminished the heats accomplishments in this thread. i'll paypal you 200$
the fact is he was 0-2 before this year. dominated twice in the finals. the goat was never dominated in the finals


i accept your apology

Yea good thing lebron chked two years in a row and kd, beard, and the short bus PG wpn the title.

Man that lebron is a choker he'll never win a championsh....


oh

 

[knightngale]

Let's also remember Kobe in Game 7 of 2010 finals missing 18/24 shots @ home vs Boston. Ron Artest defense against Pierce and timely shooting in the 4th saved Kobe from one of the worst performances an elite player has ever had. But when I bring that up Laker fans run to Kobe defense and talk about his 15 rebounds. These same Laker fans are the same ones that ripped LBJ in his last game as a cav for not being a clutch player yet he went triple-double on the C's and he was going through the motions.
Let's not forget Kobe's choke job vs OKC this past postseason. Laker fans keep telling me how much D. Fish sucks but he hit the biggest shot in that finals vs Orlando. If D. fish misses that 3 the series is tied 2-2 with game 5 in Orlando. I firmly believe orlando would have and should have won the title that year. And how has no one brung up Kobe getting swept by the Mavs in the second round last year. Now everybody claim the Mavs are soft. Didn't look soft the me.

Lebron had about 5 players doing Derek Fisher like performances these playoffs. The 3 point shooting won the finals for the Heat. Which is why I don't think they will repeat. Live by the 3 and die by the 3.

I firmly believe the Thunder would have won the Finals if the refs had called that foul on Lebron in game 2

 

[flyerthandelta]

I come bk into this thread hrs later and I'm still seeing this Bron talk compared to MJ the bath salts ain't run out yet y'all still trolling

 

[jetsetr]

who is John Salley?

 

[flyerthandelta]

@iamyourfather yo let these kids be i wouldn't budge they obviously haven't been watching bball for that long we get that!

 

[darthska]

Let's talk about being a good teammate, a media darling, and a competitor:

- Jordan was an uber-competitor, a great media darling, and a terrible teammate. Jordan haters and Kobe/Lebron fans trying to knock Jordan will be quick to point out things like icing out Isiah, telling teammates to stop feeding Cartwright, & his words to Kwame... and they're right. But they fail to put his accomplishments into a reverent perspective, like what he did was ho-hum. "He only won because he was coddled, and was gifted w/ Phil & Scottie."

- Kobe has been an uber-competitor, a terrible poster boy (mainly because of the CO incident), and a spoiled teammate. Kobe haters and Jordan/Lebron fans trying to knock Kobe will be quick to point out things like the Shaq/Kobe feud and the quitting in the playoffs against the Suns when it was suggested that he was shooting too much... and they're right. But they fail to put his accomplishments into a reverent perspective, like what he has done is ho-hum. "He only won because he was coddled, and was gifted w/ Phil and Shaq/Pau."

-Lebron has been an EXCELLENT teammate, a great media darling, but nowhere near as competitive as we wish he were. Lebron haters and Jordan/Kobe fans trying to knock Lebron will be quick to point out things like the '07 Finals, the '04 Olympics, the 4th quarter disappearances, and the '11 Finals... and they're right. But they fail to put his accomplishments into a reverent perspective, like what he has done is ho-hum. "He's only succeeding because he's being coddled, & because he needed a superstar teammate." (and those last 5 words are hilarious coming from Kobe fans or Jordan fans).

 

[True Blues]

Let's talk about being a good teammate, a media darling, and a competitor:
- Jordan was an uber-competitor, a great media darling, and a terrible teammate. Jordan haters and Kobe/Lebron fans trying to knock Jordan will be quick to point out things like icing out Isiah, telling teammates to stop feeding Cartwright, & his words to Kwame... and they're right. But they fail to put his accomplishments into a reverent perspective, like what he did was ho-hum. "He only won because he was coddled, and was gifted w/ Phil & Scottie."

How are we defining a "good teammate"? As getting along with others or leveraging their talents?

For example, while Jordan was certainly a tyrant in the Bulls' locker room, I think it's possible that he did this in part intentionally so as to "get the most of his teammates." That is, by being a poor teammate, he was actually being a good one-- if that makes any sense whatsoever. (Maybe a better analogy is that Jordan ruled with the proverbial stick, rather than a carrot.) Had he not would the Bulls would have won many titles as they did? For all the talk of Pippen, Horace, and Rodman, let's not forget he was running with absolute nobodies like Luc Longley, Dickie Simpkins, Scott Williams, John Salley, et al. That 1997-98 team was especially bad. In fact, I think many of those Bulls teammates might actually appreciate how hard Jordan rode them in retrospect. For instance, I've heard interviews with Steve Kerr, who was reportedly one of Jordan's whipping boys, talk glowingly about Jordan's leadership.

 

[darthska]

If you work hard, people will follow you.

You can be a jerk who has people follow you due to your hard work, and there is a LAUNDRY LIST of people who fit that description.

Or you can be a nice guy who has people follow you due to your hard work, like Magic.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

*Puff Daddy*.............."See your mind got control of your heart.......when it's supposed to be the other way around.......your heart's supposed to got control of your mind"
Your letting your love for your hometown team cloud your judgement on the matter at hand champ. The fact is the 2011 were indeed soft, nothing wrong with that of course but it is what it is. There's no slander involved.

Blah blah blah

I'm over it, the banner still hanging up.

Continue the Lebron/Jordan bickering.

 

[steveakabeazy]

everyone is entitle to they own opinion you can make an argument for mj not being the best based on what russell, chamberlain & kareem have done but u better not entertain that bs that he not in the top 5 . u lose all credibility by sayin that mess. stern should take this guys rings back smdh...

 

[xtapolapacetl]

1. i said the mavs in 06 and 2011 are the 2 softest teams to make the finals in 32 years AND that the 2011 mavs are the softest team to make the finals SINCE the 06 mavs. since meaning that there have been 5 other teams SINCE the 06 team and the 2011 mavs are the softest SINCE that team. so yes, i'm repeating myself and you're not reading it right

2. mark cuban said what he said because people weren't giving the mavs credit for their schemes against the heat. the fact is lebron being the player everyone is hyping him up to be here ("the player that's affected the game more than ANYBODY IN L EAGUE HISTORY") should rise above and beyond game plans and defenders. 
but he didnt
you know who did that series? Dwyane wade who had 26.5, 7 AND 5 on 51% shooting. 
DWADe's stat line was up in points, rebounds and assists from the regular season


was dwade facing a different defense? were the mavs ignoring him? Dwade stepped it up, lebron faded. blame it on other players all you want. lol "lebron made the right pass but other players just didnt hit the s hots" what a joke. 

it is inexcusable for a player of lebron's stature, top 2 in the league, hell top player in the league, to score 6 points in FIVE FOURTH QUARTERS IN THE NBA FINALS

3. and your magic and bird stats are nice, what do they have in common with lebron? NEITHER player you mentioned should be considered goats for that very reason.
Jordan's career playoff numbers > regular season numbers. when the stage got bigger, his game got bigger. there hasnt been a more impressive finals performance since jordan's 93 finals, except maybe shaq's 38 and 16 on 61% shooting


i've taken nothing away from lebron in 2012. find a post where i've even remotely diminished the heats accomplishments in this thread. i'll paypal you 200$
the fact is he was 0-2 before this year. dominated twice in the finals. the goat was never dominated in the finals


i accept your apology

You still haven't given any concrete arguments as why the 2002 Nets with a leading rebounder averaging 7.5 and Todd MacCulloch as their starting center were "tougher" than the 2011 Mavs. You addressed Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson as tough guys, but what about them was exactly tough? Their dunk highlights? And what about the 2011 Mavs was soft? The fact that they were a jumpshooting team that hit every jumpshot they threw up? Your ridiculous comment is an opinion of a troll, and can never be backed up by facts. You mentioned Jordan's 93 finals as being especially great. Well I can ask you what exactly was so "tough" about those Suns? They had Charles Barkley who was a ferocious rebounder but played no defense. Just like the rest of those Suns other than Majerle who was a perimeter defender. They had zero protection under the basket. The tallest player on their roster was 6'10 and he sucked.

Cuban's quote - "What a joke"? Maybe you think so, but obviously the overwhelming majority of people who think that Cuban's arguments against Bayless are ownership personified don't. And in the end, the opinion of many will prevail over the opinion of a lone troll renegade.

"The same defense was on Wade"? You can't be serious if you're trying to say that the Mavs defense focused every bit as much on Wade as they did on LeBron. Again, listen to Cuban mention all the different defensive schemes they had specifically for LeBron. They focused on LeBron because preventing LeBron from having a good series would increase their chances of success of winning more than preventing Wade from having a good series.

Your argument about having averages rise in the finals from your regular season averages is such a joke. What about Jordan's 1996 finals performance where his averages went south, especially his bad shooting percentage? Unlike Shawn Kemp who significantly elevated his game that series from his regular season averages. Hakeem Olajuwon never had his averages fall in a finals like Jordan had in the 96 finals.

Jordan's regular season averages:

30.1 points on .497 shooting
6.2 rebounds
5.3 assists

Jordan's playoff averages:

33.4 points on .487 shooting
6.4 rebounds
5.7 assists

Hakeem's regular season averages:

21.8 points on .512 shooting
11.1 rebounds
2.5 assists

Hakeem's playoff averages:

25.9 points on .528 shooting
11.2 rebounds
3.2 assists

Hakeem improved his averages compared to his regular season more than Jordan did. How can Jordan's shooting percentage go south? And I thought Jordan elevated his game. If Jordan is the player you're hyping him to be, aka the greatest ever, surely he should rise and have a better shooting percentage in the playoffs than the regular season and not the other way around. Again, if you focus on putting a negative spin on a player's career you can do it with anyone, Jordan included.

 

[Coupé It]

If you work hard, people will follow you.
You can be a jerk who has people follow you due to your hard work, and there is a LAUNDRY LIST of people who fit that description.
Or you can be a nice guy who has people follow you due to your hard work, like Magic.

Can you just lock this up now?

Thread has already shown video evidence that John Salley is Trolling us to death, he already admitted Jordan was the best player ever. He wants attention so he can earn an ESPN rep.

 

[duba169]

so you gonna argue that MJ didn't elevate his game during the playoffs just to prop up lebron?

shame.

blatant lies

 

[steveakabeazy]

Mj played at 110% in everything he did wheather it be pre season, reg season, playoff heck even practice. So theres not much more he could do to up his stats but he did especially when the playoffs start. that man i 6-0 in the finals nuff said.

 

[iamyourfather]

lol xtalpoaltllololol going to nitpick the goat's playoff shooting % being  ONE PERCENT LOWER than his regular season numbers as some sort of ******ed proof of how everyone fades like lebron faded against the mavs

and then having to ask "what makes kenyon martin tough?"

really? compared to who exactly on the 2011 mavs? Peja stojakovich? jason terry? 99 year old jason kidd? JJ barrea and his ratatouille frame? lol this dude asking for 'evidence' of things that are so blatantly obvious. jason kidd was one of the best pg defenders if not all around defenders when he led the nets to the finals. with the mavs he's arguably not even top 10. 

to this dude, theres no clear and obvious difference in toughness between k-mart and rjefferson and jason terry and jj barrea. yup. the mavs weren't soft you're right, they were like 5 charles oakleyts mixed with robocop. that's why lebron shot 17.8ppg.  lol

and i dont even know what you're arguing here.. what exactly is the purpose of this typing that you're doing, is it just to "defend" lebron's piss poor performance last year... because i know it isn't to say that lebron has had equal or better numbers than Jordan in the finals

these are jordans stats thru his first 3 finals (all victories): 36 ppg on 53% shooting, 6.6 rebounds, 8.06 assists

these are jordans stats thru 6 finals (all victories): 33.51 ppg on 48% shooting, 6 rebs, 6.11 assists

and these are jordans reg season averages: 30.1pg on 49.7% shooting, 6 reb, 5.3 assists

scoring up, fg% nearly identical, reb identical, assists up. 

Jordan elevated or maintained the same MVP caliber numbers in the finals that he had in the regular season.

while lebron's scoring, rebounding, assists, and field goal percentage were LOWER. 

2007 regular season stats: 27.3 ppg on 47% shooting, 6.7 rebs, 6 assists. 

2007 finals: 22ppg on 35% shooting, 7 rebs, 6.8 assists. lower ppg, lower shooting %, almost same rebounds and 1 more assists. 

but that team sucked right? so his numbers had to suck because that 2007 cavs team was garbage? makes sense to me.

here are lebron's numbers playing on a team with a "big 3" 

17.8. 7.2 reb, 6.8 assists

TL;DR: lol @ lebron fading in the game's biggest stage and the audacity to say he's "closing the gap" on Jordan. 

i'm being trolled hardbody tho. i aint mad at y'all