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I think Jordan won DFPOY and MVP that same year.
John Salley On Michael Jordan! "He's Not The Greatest Player Ever"
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I think Jordan won DFPOY and MVP that same year.
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Let's not forget when Kareem went down and Magic took over as a ROOKIE in the Finals against DR J n co and won his first title
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he got robbed.. they gave it to magic that year..
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magic is top 3 for me. as a rookie dude playing center in the finals as a 19 year old to win finals mvp. straight filth.Let's not forget when Kareem went down and Magic took over as a ROOKIE in the Finals against DR J n co and won his first title
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You're trolling.
shoeking2101
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Bruh, stop mentioning me and go outside. I said I was done. You don't know what you're talking about, but continue on...just don't mention me anymore lil man.
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I agree that's why I consider him the Greatest laker and top 3 all time in league history to even do that play center and the pg in the FINALS at 19yrs old c'mon fam speechless
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Haha idk what I'm talking about kid...your past comments prove you trolling son you was better off not even stating that ...you obviously didn't watch Mike hoop diaper dandee!
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@ lebron stansLebron does not average 30-8-8 he has not even done it in a single season. Closest was 30 8 7 IF YOU ARE KIND AND ROUND IT OFF
His career FG % is still lower than Jordan even though dude has the body of a power foward.
His defensive resume consists of getting blind side blocks, especially on transition, and shutting down Derek Rose (with team help) in 2011. He can not guard all 5 positions. He can attempt to do it just like any 6'8'' player can.
Dude is 1-2 in the finals :x and a ref slurp job (game 2) from being 0-3 :x
Lebron stans continue with his inflated stats instead of his actual basketball ability when it comes to arguments.
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@ lebron stans
Lebron does not average 30-8-8 he has not even done it in a single season. Closest was 30 8 7 IF YOU ARE KIND AND ROUND IT OFF
His career FG % is still lower than Jordan even though dude has the body of a power foward.
His defensive resume consists of getting blind side blocks, especially on transition, and shutting down Derek Rose (with team help) in 2011. He can not guard all 5 positions. He can attempt to do it just like any 6'8'' player can.
Dude is 1-2 in the finalsand a ref slurp job (game 2) from being 0-3
Lebron stans continue with his inflated stats instead of his actual basketball ability when it comes to arguments.
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Let's not forget when Kareem went down and Magic took over as a ROOKIE in the Finals against DR J n co and won his first title
Im a big Laker/Magic fan but in reality Kareem carried that team (regular season MVP) and while he couldnt play in game 6 because of his ankle, he did lead the team for the first 5 games of the Finals and was sitting out game 6 to try and play game 7 back in L.A.. Magic had an incredible/historical game 6 (especially for a 20 year old rookie) and he gets Finals MVP & everyone kinda forgets what Kareem did all season/playoffs/Finals.
Kareem because of his standoffish personality does get overlooked for his accomplishments I believe. His pro stats alone are right up there with Jordan's but didnt/have the same personality & marketability as Jordan. I mean Kareem did movies, started a Jazz label, had his likeness on sneakers, and even shaved his head all before Jordan but isnt really acknowledged for this. They are both well known jerks but Jordan got a pass for it while Kareem still today cant even get a coaching gig for his past attitude. Also the center vs guard issue along with Kareem playing 20 seasons will make a comparison complicated if not impossible.
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We have become so advanced in 15 years that sprinters are running tenths of a second faster. How much more advance can you become with a basketball in 15 years? Laughing at the NBA players missing free throws. Let's be real the league has turned to And1 basketball not team basketball and buckets. Teams run iso all game and wonder why they fail in the playoffs. That is why a Team like San Antonio can have a good coach with decent players and still be realavant. We are so advance but kobe, Lebron, Dwight and amare have to train with a 50 year old center on their footwork!?!? Niketalk shows its age once again.
No one in todays league could match hakeem's footwork or stop him.
No one in todays league could match hakeem's footwork or stop him.
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Let's not forget when Kareem went down and Magic took over as a ROOKIE in the Finals against DR J n co and won his first title
Legendary atuff no doubt
But what about "tragic magic"
Kareem got more rings, better defense, an unguardable shot
Im too young to really speak on magic amd kareem. But from what i read there is no clear cut better player. It feels like kareem gets downplayed because he is a "jerk" and magic a a nice guy
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whats all that typing for... i never said the 11 mavs were the worse team in the league, reading comprehension is key holmes k-12 schooling should've held you down in that department
the 11 mavs ARE THE SOFTEST TEAM IN NBA FINALS GOING BACK AT LEAST 30 YEARS.
not the worse
the SOFTEST
the nets werent softer, neither was orlando or the old as,s pacers. they were the softest and clear underdogs
secondly, LMAO @ defending lebrons sorry stat line
lebron's scoring went down 8.9 points. HIS SCORING WENT DOWN 8.9 POINTS.
HIS. SCORING. IN. THE. FINALS. WAS. LOWER. ALMOST. 9. POINTS. FROM. THE. REGULAR. SEASON.
"rising to the occassion" means playing up to the moment... and he clearly didnt.
but yea go ahead and defend how lebrons whole stat line, scoring-rebounding-assists were all down from the regular season.
i guess it was that sweltering, steel curtain defense and brutal defenders the mavs had last year.
The 2011 World Champion Dallas Mavericks swept Kobe and the Lakers, backdoor swept the Durant and the Thunder and had the best record in the NBA when Dirk Nowitzki played.
Don't slander them to bash Lebron.
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how is calling them SOFT slander? by their own coach's admission they were soft, and it wasnt til tyson chandler started as center that they lost a little of that softness
im by no means saying that team was weak. go back and read what i posted. they are SOFT but the team wasnt weak. they played great team ball.
im by no means saying that team was weak. go back and read what i posted. they are SOFT but the team wasnt weak. they played great team ball.
As a Laker fan, my biggest thing was the simple yet IMMEDIATE mismatch that Magic was. A 6-9 PG. Just a ******g joke that is. Kareem was special, no doubt about it, but 7 footers all across the land could match up with him. Russ, Wilt, Dream, Shaq, etc.
Bring me Chris Paul, John Stockton and Isiah Thomas and tell them to check their guy.........
The guy is FIVE inches taller than Jason Kidd who is a damn big guard himself. In a lot of ways, Magic had some Rondo in him in that his J wasn't super sweet, but the game was so different back then, no way to really exploit it like they do with Rondo now. In today's game, Magic would need to add a better jumper for sure, but given what he did all those years, he could have. He worked on parts of his game every year and got better and better as his career went on. The guy was a conductor tho. He moved all 9 other guys on the court every possession. Kareem was a dump it, watch him work guy, tall, good soft hands, get the boards, unstoppable shot, could affect shots on D, but he's just a tall guy under the rim, same as the other legends. Magic TOWERED over his guys, and then puppeted everyone around the floor while he dribbled.
I don't think we ever see another Magic again, a full time PG that's 6-9. I don't think it'll ever happen again. To me, that sets him apart from Kareem, but both are in the top 5 all time imo.
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*Puff Daddy*.............."See your mind got control of your heart.......when it's supposed to be the other way around.......your heart's supposed to got control of your mind"
Your letting your love for your hometown team cloud your judgement on the matter at hand champ. The fact is the 2011 were indeed soft, nothing wrong with that of course but it is what it is. There's no slander involved.
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whats all that typing for... i never said the 11 mavs were the worse team in the league, reading comprehension is key holmes k-12 schooling should've held you down in that department
the 11 mavs ARE THE SOFTEST TEAM IN NBA FINALS GOING BACK AT LEAST 30 YEARS.
not the worse
the SOFTEST
the nets werent softer, neither was orlando or the old as,s pacers. they were the softest and clear underdogs
secondly, LMAO @ defending lebrons sorry stat line
lebron's scoring went down 8.9 points. HIS SCORING WENT DOWN 8.9 POINTS.
HIS. SCORING. IN. THE. FINALS. WAS. LOWER. ALMOST. 9. POINTS. FROM. THE. REGULAR. SEASON.
"rising to the occassion" means playing up to the moment... and he clearly didnt.
but yea go ahead and defend how lebrons whole stat line, scoring-rebounding-assists were all down from the regular season.
i guess it was that sweltering, steel curtain defense and brutal defenders the mavs had last year.
A guy who doesn't even have 1st grade grammar under control and types "softest, not the worse" having the audacity to blabber about someone's reading comprehension.
LMAO @ still completely ignoring 2012 like it never happened, and living in LeBron hater heaven, aka pre-2012.
But whatever. Please explain how exactly those Mavs were the "softest" finals team over the last 30 years? In fact, what exactly made the 2006 finals Mavs "harder"? Back then, the Mavs were known as an all-O, no-D team. The defense of the 2011 Mavs, mainly thanks to Chandler, was acknowledged long before it became clear that they would even be in the finals. The 2011 Mavs were even softer than the 2007 Cavs??? Softer than the 2002 Nets whose leading rebounder averaged 7.5 rebounds per game and who were almost led in rebounding by their point guard? Sarcastically refering to those 2011 Mavs players as brutal defenders? You mean the same player who went on to become the friggin DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR the following season? Shawn Marion isn't a great defender either?
Softest. Worst. Neither of the two are even remotely true. Are you going to back up your utterly ridiculous claim with facts or just spew out blind hate slogans?
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As a Laker fan, my biggest thing was the simple yet IMMEDIATE mismatch that Magic was. A 6-9 PG. Just a ******g joke that is. Kareem was special, no doubt about it, but 7 footers all across the land could match up with him. Russ, Wilt, Dream, Shaq, etc.
Bring me Chris Paul, John Stockton and Isiah Thomas and tell them to check their guy.........
The guy was a conductor tho. He moved all 9 other guys on the court every possession. Kareem was a dump it, watch him work guy, tall, good soft hands, get the boards, unstoppable shot, could affect shots on D, but he's just a tall guy under the rim, same as the other legends. Magic TOWERED over his guys, and then puppeted everyone around the floor while he dribbled.
I don't think we ever see another Magic again, a full time PG that's 6-9. I don't think it'll ever happen again. To me, that sets him apart from Kareem, but both are in the top 5 all time imo.
Say champ I know your a Magic fan and I agree with just about everything you said but please don't ever compare or mention Rondo in the same sentence as Magic, regardless of what point you are tryint to convey. I know you didn't necessarily mean anything negative from Magic's perspective but damage has been done nonetheless. For Magic Johnson's sake, I'm sure he was rather be HIV positive than be compared or mentioned with Rajon Rondo..............and I can't say that I would blame him.
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Too many dudes on Jordan's jock in here I see ...
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More disconcerting should be the dudes on Lebron's jock. He should not be in this type of conversation. Hell, even Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe should not be in this conversation.
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how am i ignoring 2012? when did i type "2012 was a fluke" or anything similar to dismiss this year's title?
A guy who doesn't even have 1st grade grammar under control and types "softest, not the worse" having the audacity to blabber about someone's reading comprehension.
LMAO @ still completely ignoring 2012 like it never happened, and living in LeBron hater heaven, aka pre-2012.
But whatever. Please explain how exactly those Mavs were the "softest" finals team over the last 30 years? In fact, what exactly made the 2006 finals Mavs "harder"? Back then, the Mavs were known as an all-O, no-D team. The defense of the 2011 Mavs, mainly thanks to Chandler, was acknowledged long before it became clear that they would even be in the finals. The 2011 Mavs were even softer than the 2007 Cavs??? Softer than the 2002 Nets whose leading rebounder averaged 7.5 rebounds per game and who were almost led in rebounding by their point guard? Sarcastically refering to those 2011 Mavs players as brutal defenders? You mean the same player who went on to become the friggin DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR the following season? Shawn Marion isn't a great defender either?
Softest. Worst. Neither of the two are even remotely true. Are you going to back up your utterly ridiculous claim with facts or just spew out blind hate slogans?
i'm bringing up 2011 because what lebron did was pathetic, and yes the mavs were the softest team in the finals since the 2006 mavs, the 2 softest teams to make it to the finals since before i was born
and i never said the 06 team was tougher, i said they were the softest team since the previous mavs team that got beat by the refs and dwade's 900,000 free throws
the entire league considered them soft, even their own coach called them out in the 11 season to the media calling them soft.
oh wait he's a liar, their own coach called them soft but i'm wrong, they're the toughest team since the bad boy pistons
lol@ shawn marion a great defender. the nets werent soft, k-mart by himself was tougher than their starting 5 minus tyson chandler. they had a prime j-kidd, prime richard jefferson all of whom were stronger and more athletic than oldass jason kidd, jason terry (who at 33/34 years of age out scored LEBRON IN HIS PRIME IN THE FINALS)
there is nobody on that mavs roster who can even be considered close to a 'lebron stopper' and shawn marion definitely isnt one of them. that wasnt a kobe-bruce bowen match up. lebron is clearly bigger, stronger, faster, younger, better than shawn marion.
and yet he averages 17.8 per game
but in your eyes this year's title erases all of that. and the mavs AREN'T soft. dirk isn't soft. jet terry isnt soft. peja stojakovic smh
and they beat the heat without caron butler.
defend 17.8 ppg and a PRIME lebron dropping his scoring average almost 9ppg in the finals from the regular season.
