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IS KOBE BRYANT...OVERRATED?
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too all the kobe haters....lock this thread up already plz
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this thread. Kobe Stan's out in full force on their Knees Slurping it up 
do be doo
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Word.
Check the laker thread. One fan is LEGIT upset about this thread.
http://niketalk.com/t/508728/official-lakers-season-thread-7-7-11-27-vs-ind-11-30-vs-den/7020_20
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jumpmanfromdabay
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I saw that
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Thanks for proving my point champ. While other great player started their rookie year, Kobe had the luxury of sitting on the bench and observing. Like I said, less mileage no matter how you slice it.
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No bright guy, that's not the case. Get a ******g clue.
Playing ANY minutes at 18-19 in the NBA >>>>>>>>>> playing college ball against future car salesman, or 5-10 white guys launching 3's in 58-54 games.
Sitting on the bench observing, for 2 years, with all the travel, practice, summer league ball,
Oh by the way, sitting on the bench, observing as you say, he played TWO THOUSAND ******G MINUTES his second season.
After playing 1100 minutes his rookie year.
Add in another 350 playoff minutes those first two years, and you have 3,500 NBA playoff minutes from 160 NBA games played.
Vs playing 30+ minutes a night for 35 college games.
To recap ol wise troll, when rookies came in in 99, Kobe's first year starting, Kobe already had amassed 3,500 NBA minutes in 160+ games. Thus, MORE wear and tear than someone that played college ball for a few years. NBA game >>>>>>> college game in terms of degree of difficulty, wear and tear, etc. Thanks for playin.
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this dude going to keep posting Kobe Gifs
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Kobe Stans? Looks like the who's who of haters creepin up thru here to me, no?
jumpmanfromdabay
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But a Laker fan is #1 on that list though 28!!!
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But a Laker fan is #1 on that list though
I can't post in a thread... Oh ok thank you, I didn't know that wasn't allowed....
But I guess when 90% of your posts are few sentences that says a lot.
There's a difference from being a Kobe Stan to educating someone who obviously knows nothing about basketball (Doo especially in that realm).
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jumpmanfromdabay
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Just like clock work
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dont worry jumpmanfromdabay, one day your warriors will have someone who will stir up this much conflict one day 
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That's funny champ because a good number of NBA players end up being future car salesman, so that's not saying too much on your end.
Like I said champ, Kobe was sitting on the bench while other future superstars and great players were getting thrown to the fire. The most prominent Laker as a matter of fact helped carry his team to a NBA championship his rookie year, while all Kobe did his rookie year was carry the team luggage off the bus, and I heard he was good at it. That's night and day as far as I'm concerned champ.
I have averaged 1 post per 1page, that's not alot at all.Kobe Stans? Looks like the who's who of haters creepin up thru here to me, no?
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Champ up here doesn't know a lot about basketball
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:x at the back pedaling.
Just take the L dude.
Just take the L dude.
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81 is more than 71? My mind is blown
whats more impresive
a center scoring 71 points?
or a sg scoring 81?
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Deuce, you look stupid in here, stop. Just stop. You got caught, let it go. I'm sure you have plenty of angles to take, but you picking a 17 year (and counting) career is plain stupid.
While your so called future superstars were in college, Kobe was playing in the league, getting minutes/games under his belt.
And the point about car salesman was in the NBA, you are IN THE NBA. You're an NBA player. You may not last long, but you have in fact made it. Most college players own a Subway shop a year removed from losing to Duke in the tourney. They aren't real players, not all of them mind you, but a lot of them. There's a reason there's only 2 rounds in the NBA draft, not enough jobs to be had, and there are 100+ programs runnin in college. That's a ton of guys, gettin regular jobs the day after their last season ends.
Kobe didn't face those guys. He went up against REAL guys. In the NBA. In fact, he squared off against Eddie Jones in practice every single day, for 2 years. Then went out and played in actual NBA games, in other words, accumulating miles, wear, tear on his tires. So take your ******** lame *** excuse elsewhere, and get a better one. Longevity is gone for you.
Kobe goes 18 full NBA seasons, then show me guys who have 14 NBA + 4 college years that are better. That have all NBA type seasons in their 14th-15th year. That's all you gotta do, to knock Kobe out your imaginary top 5, top 10, top 12, etc, put that list together. Show how he took the easy route and his longevity is overrated.
While your so called future superstars were in college, Kobe was playing in the league, getting minutes/games under his belt.
And the point about car salesman was in the NBA, you are IN THE NBA. You're an NBA player. You may not last long, but you have in fact made it. Most college players own a Subway shop a year removed from losing to Duke in the tourney. They aren't real players, not all of them mind you, but a lot of them. There's a reason there's only 2 rounds in the NBA draft, not enough jobs to be had, and there are 100+ programs runnin in college. That's a ton of guys, gettin regular jobs the day after their last season ends.
Kobe didn't face those guys. He went up against REAL guys. In the NBA. In fact, he squared off against Eddie Jones in practice every single day, for 2 years. Then went out and played in actual NBA games, in other words, accumulating miles, wear, tear on his tires. So take your ******** lame *** excuse elsewhere, and get a better one. Longevity is gone for you.
Kobe goes 18 full NBA seasons, then show me guys who have 14 NBA + 4 college years that are better. That have all NBA type seasons in their 14th-15th year. That's all you gotta do, to knock Kobe out your imaginary top 5, top 10, top 12, etc, put that list together. Show how he took the easy route and his longevity is overrated.
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Let me ask you CP1708, do you think Kobe has been an "elite player" in the league for 17 years??
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Myself, I'm not saying his longevity is overrated - but as I said, I personally don't think longevity should be used as some sort of trump card when comparing him (or anyone else currently) to other Top 10 all time players when resources and opportunity available are drastically different. It is a two way street, eras and all time greats will have their advantages and disadvantages against the other. To me, this is one of them for this generation.
IE: I don't think Wilt's numbers should be a deciding factor comparing him against all time greats (which I think most would agree with). If I sat here and said Wilt is the GOAT because he averaged 50 and 26 in a season and 30 and 22 for his career, what's the counter? 'But... he played against......'......Right? Players were not as formidable then athletically or even skill wise.
If I were looking to prop up Kobe with an 'generational' factor vs Top 10 guys. It'd be that he's been a dominant wing scorer with increased defensive tactics/strategy and advanced scouting. That's where he's worked at a disadvantage and dominated to the level of previous all time great scorers.
If you feel that Kobe from 2011- till whenever vaults him into a higher position because of the extended career and milestones attached with it..that's fine. It wouldn't do the same for me. I'd take 1999-2010 as by and large the sample for which I'd use to place him. That's when he was at his best, no? The years prior or after mean very little to me in the big picture. His longevity is a very big achievement a very nice add on to a resume but is that how you're going to define his (or anyone's) greatness? Personally, no. If that were the case Charles Barkley would have no ground to stand on if being compared to Malone.
It goes back to the Accomplished vs Great argument. I believe LeBron's pinnacle can surpass Larry Bird's this season, I also am not foolish enough to not know that LeBron has team and individual accomplishments to check off before he can pass him on an all-time list. But at the end of it all, I'm going back to that pinnacle above all else when the numbers do fall into place. Can't achieve greatness without accomplishment or vice versa, but there does need to be a line separating the two as well.
basically.
And I'd also say HIGH LEVEL college players are putting in no less than 75% of the time and work as an NBA player year-round. Biggest difference on stress on the body coming from travel/sleeping patterns. But as far as basketball work? Practices are more frequent and more intense in season and individual work is likely very similar. It's not the same but it's not playing rec-league ball 3x a week. And years are years on your body. Ask Patrick Ewing what his NBA career (and knees) would like if he was given a 4 year head start. I can guarantee someone like KG wouldn't be higher on the all time pecking order than him.
IE: I don't think Wilt's numbers should be a deciding factor comparing him against all time greats (which I think most would agree with). If I sat here and said Wilt is the GOAT because he averaged 50 and 26 in a season and 30 and 22 for his career, what's the counter? 'But... he played against......'......Right? Players were not as formidable then athletically or even skill wise.
If I were looking to prop up Kobe with an 'generational' factor vs Top 10 guys. It'd be that he's been a dominant wing scorer with increased defensive tactics/strategy and advanced scouting. That's where he's worked at a disadvantage and dominated to the level of previous all time great scorers.
If you feel that Kobe from 2011- till whenever vaults him into a higher position because of the extended career and milestones attached with it..that's fine. It wouldn't do the same for me. I'd take 1999-2010 as by and large the sample for which I'd use to place him. That's when he was at his best, no? The years prior or after mean very little to me in the big picture. His longevity is a very big achievement a very nice add on to a resume but is that how you're going to define his (or anyone's) greatness? Personally, no. If that were the case Charles Barkley would have no ground to stand on if being compared to Malone.
It goes back to the Accomplished vs Great argument. I believe LeBron's pinnacle can surpass Larry Bird's this season, I also am not foolish enough to not know that LeBron has team and individual accomplishments to check off before he can pass him on an all-time list. But at the end of it all, I'm going back to that pinnacle above all else when the numbers do fall into place. Can't achieve greatness without accomplishment or vice versa, but there does need to be a line separating the two as well.
basically.
And I'd also say HIGH LEVEL college players are putting in no less than 75% of the time and work as an NBA player year-round. Biggest difference on stress on the body coming from travel/sleeping patterns. But as far as basketball work? Practices are more frequent and more intense in season and individual work is likely very similar. It's not the same but it's not playing rec-league ball 3x a week. And years are years on your body. Ask Patrick Ewing what his NBA career (and knees) would like if he was given a 4 year head start. I can guarantee someone like KG wouldn't be higher on the all time pecking order than him.
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