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Who said this topic is NOT debatable?
Almost everyone who watches basketball. Even most Lakers fans accept it at this point.
You try to make it a FACT that Bron is the best player witout giving reasons...
The man is at a level right now that only Wilt and Jordan have ever reached. That enough of a reason?
Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I
Then disappears in the later rounds.Originally Posted by JapanAir21
Well it's what kind of context you want to put on this.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
If you say that Lebron is the better all-around player, why would you want Kobe 100,000 times out of 100,000? I agree, Kobe closes out games like no-other, but is that the end-all, be-all when coming down to the deciding factor as to who is the better player? Lebron's opportunities in 2010 have been severely limited due to the domination that the Cavs have shown against the opposition. It's not me be an apologist for Lebron, but rather the reality of the situation that he's in. This is the year that Lebron has taken his game to a different level. Whether he can keep the momentum in the playoffs is a different story. However, if I was going to start a franchise right now, my pick would be Lebron....100,000 times out of 100,000Originally Posted by JapanAir21
I'm ALWAYS fine with people saying LeBron is a better player, but if I want someone who can make the plays, I'm taking Kobe 100,000 times out of 100,000.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
What makes Kobe #1? Is it because he won a championship last year? Lebron is the most complete player in the NBA right now...and to me, that makes you the best in the game. At some point you Kobe fans (not saying you JapanAir) have to realize that the torch is going to be passed whether you like it or not. There was a period where Kobe was hands down the best in the NBA...however with Lebron's dominance on both ends of the floor, I think Kobe's time at that top spot has passed.Originally Posted by JapanAir21
This.Originally Posted by Do Be Doo
IMO he is number 1 still....
And has been, IMO, for past 3-4 years.
LeBron is the better all-around player, he's just as fast, he's stronger, he dominates on both ends, but what separates Kobe from LeBron is Kobe's ability to end a game. I whole-heartedly agree that LeBron is more COMPLETE. LeBron has shown flashes, especially in some of those Detroit series, or against the Celtics, and maybe it's because I get nightmares of facing Kobe, but Kobe, as an opposing fan, scares me more.
Starting a franchise, who would you pick? The choice is obvious.
In a playoff series right now, which player do you have more confidence in getting you the end result? I pick Kobe, 100,000 times out of 100,000..
I see your point with the huge point differential in the Cavs, and that's fine, no bone to pick with you there. We've seen LeBron put a team on his back before. We've seen him make it to the Finals, but when he got there, his team failed. Now, his team is not an excuse. If he wins a championship soon, then I'll have no problem crowning him the best.
It's the same kind of reasoning where I value a PG like Chauncey Billups over ones like Deron Williams. Is Deron Williams a better PG? Sure. But if I want a guy to lead my team, bring all the intangibles, I want Chauncey. I've brought it up a lot this year, but last years playoffs, NOH VS DET is the prime example. Chauncey shows up to the big stage and bright lights, and he shines.
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
Originally Posted by FrenchBlue23
I hate labels.
Whoever is holding up that Finals MVP trophy, along with the Larry O'Brien at the end of the year, is the best player at that moment.
Yeah, I sure remember you Lakers fans agreeing wholeheartedly with this logic in threads after the 07-08 season finished and Paul Pierce made this statement about himself.
I dont. the dumb @!% would probably go on a dumb shot selection spree and screw everything up. Sometimes 13 assists are better than shooting 30 shotsOriginally Posted by CP1708
Should make tomorrow night's game more interesting.
I hope someone writes an article that says Bron, Durant, Melo, Wade, Bosh, D12, CP3, Smush Parker, Tyreke Evans, John Wall, and Deron Williams are all better then Kobe.
Then I hope someone tapes that article in Kobe's locker.
Then I feel bad for everybody else.
Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Really? Every time someone comes along and has a good season or two they automatically want to crown them before they earn the title. Is KD having a great season, yes, but to suggest that he at this point is better in any facet of the game than Bean even with his two broke fingers, bad knees and ankles is just ludicrous. Let the kid actually do something of note first. The ONLY thing that KD has on Bean right now is father time...
Originally Posted by Mark Madsen
this is nt where the anti laker and anti kobe talk is just absurd at times.
keep glorfiying overrated corporate creation losers like lebron james who will never win nothing because alot of you trolls don't deserve to cheer for a first class franchise like the lakers or deserve to cheer for an all american athlete like kobe.
keep being fans of the pathetic franchises you cheer for though/
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
Originally Posted by FrenchBlue23
I hate labels.
Whoever is holding up that Finals MVP trophy, along with the Larry O'Brien at the end of the year, is the best player at that moment.
Yeah, I sure remember you Lakers fans agreeing wholeheartedly with this logic in threads after the 07-08 season finished and Paul Pierce made this statement about himself.
Originally Posted by JD617
The man is at a level right now that only Wilt and Jordan have ever reached. That enough of a reason?
Originally Posted by High Class Scum Bag
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
Originally Posted by FrenchBlue23
I hate labels.
Whoever is holding up that Finals MVP trophy, along with the Larry O'Brien at the end of the year, is the best player at that moment.
Yeah, I sure remember you Lakers fans agreeing wholeheartedly with this logic in threads after the 07-08 season finished and Paul Pierce made this statement about himself.