Is it just the Jordan mystique that makes him the "undisputed" GOAT?

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Define "sonned." Wilt average 29 points and 29 rebounds in 142 games against Russell. Dropped 50 on him seven times, including a 62 point game.

Yea this is one of the things that someone heard one time and everyone runs around repeated not knowing what the hell they speak of. Thanks for doing that, I know I have corrected that statement at least 10 times in this forum

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Define "sonned." Wilt average 29 points and 29 rebounds in 142 games against Russell. Dropped 50 on him seven times, including a 62 point game.

Yea this is one of the things that someone heard one time and everyone runs around repeated not knowing what the hell they speak of. Thanks for doing that, I know I have corrected that statement at least 10 times in this forum

 

[hankmoody]

Knock against Wilt is his playoff performance... he didn't get better when it mattered most.
Bill Russell? Not a very good offensive player.

 

[hankmoody]

Knock against Wilt is his playoff performance... he didn't get better when it mattered most.
Bill Russell? Not a very good offensive player.

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by HankMoody

Knock against Wilt is his playoff performance... he didn't get better when it mattered most.
Bill Russell? Not a very good offensive player.

[h2]Playoffs[/h2]
Glossary [emoji]9642[/emoji] CSV [emoji]9642[/emoji] PRE
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th] [th=""]Totals[/th] [th=""]Shooting[/th] [th=""]Per Game[/th][/tr][tr][th=""]Season[/th] [th=""]Age[/th] [th=""]Tm[/th] [th=""]Lg[/th] [th=""]G[/th] [th=""]MP[/th] [th=""]FG[/th] [th=""]FGA[/th] [th=""]3P[/th] [th=""]3PA[/th] [th=""]FT[/th] [th=""]FTA[/th] [th=""]ORB[/th] [th=""]TRB[/th] [th=""]AST[/th] [th=""]STL[/th] [th=""]BLK[/th] [th=""]TOV[/th] [th=""]PF[/th] [th=""]PTS[/th] [th=""]FG%[/th] [th=""]3P%[/th] [th=""]FT%[/th] [th=""]MP[/th] [th=""]PTS[/th] [th=""]TRB[/th] [th=""]AST[/th][/tr][tr][td]1959-60[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]PHW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]415[/td] [td]125[/td] [td]252[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]110[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]232[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]299[/td] [td].496[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].445[/td] [td]46.1[/td] [td]33.2[/td] [td]25.8[/td] [td]2.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]1960-61[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]PHW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]144[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]38[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]69[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]111[/td] [td].469[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].553[/td] [td]48.0[/td] [td]37.0[/td] [td]23.0[/td] [td]2.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]1961-62[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]PHW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]576[/td] [td]162[/td] [td]347[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]151[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]319[/td] [td]37[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]420[/td] [td].467[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].636[/td] [td]48.0[/td] [td]35.0[/td] [td]26.6[/td] [td]3.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]1963-64[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]SFW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]558[/td] [td]175[/td] [td]322[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]66[/td] [td]139[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]302[/td] [td]39[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]416[/td] [td].543[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].475[/td] [td]46.5[/td] [td]34.7[/td] [td]25.2[/td] [td]3.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]1964-65[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]536[/td] [td]123[/td] [td]232[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]136[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]299[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]322[/td] [td].530[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].559[/td] [td]48.7[/td] [td]29.3[/td] [td]27.2[/td] [td]4.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]1965-66[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]240[/td] [td]56[/td] [td]110[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]68[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]151[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]140[/td] [td].509[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].412[/td] [td]48.0[/td] [td]28.0[/td] [td]30.2[/td] [td]3.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]1966-67[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]718[/td] [td]132[/td] [td]228[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]62[/td] [td]160[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]437[/td] [td]135[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]37[/td] [td]326[/td] [td].579[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].388[/td] [td]47.9[/td] [td]21.7[/td] [td]29.1[/td] [td]9.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]1967-68[/td] [td]31[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]631[/td] [td]124[/td] [td]232[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]158[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]321[/td] [td]85[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]308[/td] [td].534[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].380[/td] [td]48.5[/td] [td]23.7[/td] [td]24.7[/td] [td]6.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]1968-69[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]832[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]176[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]58[/td] [td]148[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]444[/td] [td]46[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]46[/td] [td]250[/td] [td].545[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].392[/td] [td]46.2[/td] [td]13.9[/td] [td]24.7[/td] [td]2.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]1969-70[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]851[/td] [td]158[/td] [td]288[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]202[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]399[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]42[/td] [td]398[/td] [td].549[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].406[/td] [td]47.3[/td] [td]22.1[/td] [td]22.2[/td] [td]4.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]1970-71[/td] [td]34[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]554[/td] [td]85[/td] [td]187[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]50[/td] [td]97[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]242[/td] [td]53[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]220[/td] [td].455[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].515[/td] [td]46.2[/td] [td]18.3[/td] [td]20.2[/td] [td]4.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]1971-72[/td] [td]35[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]703[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]142[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]122[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]315[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]47[/td] [td]220[/td] [td].563[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].492[/td] [td]46.9[/td] [td]14.7[/td] [td]21.0[/td] [td]3.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]1972-73[/td] [td]36[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]801[/td] [td]64[/td] [td]116[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]98[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]383[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]177[/td] [td].552[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].500[/td] [td]47.1[/td] [td]10.4[/td] [td]22.5[/td] [td]3.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]Career[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]160[/td] [td]7559[/td] [td]1425[/td] [td]2728[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]757[/td] [td]1627[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]3913[/td] [td]673[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]402[/td] [td]3607[/td] [td].522[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].465[/td] [td]47.2[/td] [td]22.5[/td] [td]24.5[/td] [td]4.2
[/td][/tr][/table]

And I realize stats aren't the be all, but I'm not a senior citizen so I can only go by what I have. Seems like he performed rather well in the playoffs in general.

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by HankMoody

Knock against Wilt is his playoff performance... he didn't get better when it mattered most.
Bill Russell? Not a very good offensive player.

[h2]Playoffs[/h2]
Glossary [emoji]9642[/emoji] CSV [emoji]9642[/emoji] PRE
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th] [th=""]Totals[/th] [th=""]Shooting[/th] [th=""]Per Game[/th][/tr][tr][th=""]Season[/th] [th=""]Age[/th] [th=""]Tm[/th] [th=""]Lg[/th] [th=""]G[/th] [th=""]MP[/th] [th=""]FG[/th] [th=""]FGA[/th] [th=""]3P[/th] [th=""]3PA[/th] [th=""]FT[/th] [th=""]FTA[/th] [th=""]ORB[/th] [th=""]TRB[/th] [th=""]AST[/th] [th=""]STL[/th] [th=""]BLK[/th] [th=""]TOV[/th] [th=""]PF[/th] [th=""]PTS[/th] [th=""]FG%[/th] [th=""]3P%[/th] [th=""]FT%[/th] [th=""]MP[/th] [th=""]PTS[/th] [th=""]TRB[/th] [th=""]AST[/th][/tr][tr][td]1959-60[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]PHW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]415[/td] [td]125[/td] [td]252[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]110[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]232[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]299[/td] [td].496[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].445[/td] [td]46.1[/td] [td]33.2[/td] [td]25.8[/td] [td]2.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]1960-61[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]PHW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]144[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]38[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]69[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]111[/td] [td].469[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].553[/td] [td]48.0[/td] [td]37.0[/td] [td]23.0[/td] [td]2.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]1961-62[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]PHW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]576[/td] [td]162[/td] [td]347[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]151[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]319[/td] [td]37[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]420[/td] [td].467[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].636[/td] [td]48.0[/td] [td]35.0[/td] [td]26.6[/td] [td]3.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]1963-64[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]SFW[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]558[/td] [td]175[/td] [td]322[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]66[/td] [td]139[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]302[/td] [td]39[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]416[/td] [td].543[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].475[/td] [td]46.5[/td] [td]34.7[/td] [td]25.2[/td] [td]3.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]1964-65[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]536[/td] [td]123[/td] [td]232[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]136[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]299[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]322[/td] [td].530[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].559[/td] [td]48.7[/td] [td]29.3[/td] [td]27.2[/td] [td]4.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]1965-66[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]240[/td] [td]56[/td] [td]110[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]68[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]151[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]140[/td] [td].509[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].412[/td] [td]48.0[/td] [td]28.0[/td] [td]30.2[/td] [td]3.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]1966-67[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]718[/td] [td]132[/td] [td]228[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]62[/td] [td]160[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]437[/td] [td]135[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]37[/td] [td]326[/td] [td].579[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].388[/td] [td]47.9[/td] [td]21.7[/td] [td]29.1[/td] [td]9.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]1967-68[/td] [td]31[/td] [td]PHI[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]631[/td] [td]124[/td] [td]232[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]158[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]321[/td] [td]85[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]308[/td] [td].534[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].380[/td] [td]48.5[/td] [td]23.7[/td] [td]24.7[/td] [td]6.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]1968-69[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]832[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]176[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]58[/td] [td]148[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]444[/td] [td]46[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]46[/td] [td]250[/td] [td].545[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].392[/td] [td]46.2[/td] [td]13.9[/td] [td]24.7[/td] [td]2.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]1969-70[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]851[/td] [td]158[/td] [td]288[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]202[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]399[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]42[/td] [td]398[/td] [td].549[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].406[/td] [td]47.3[/td] [td]22.1[/td] [td]22.2[/td] [td]4.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]1970-71[/td] [td]34[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]554[/td] [td]85[/td] [td]187[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]50[/td] [td]97[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]242[/td] [td]53[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]220[/td] [td].455[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].515[/td] [td]46.2[/td] [td]18.3[/td] [td]20.2[/td] [td]4.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]1971-72[/td] [td]35[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]703[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]142[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]122[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]315[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]47[/td] [td]220[/td] [td].563[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].492[/td] [td]46.9[/td] [td]14.7[/td] [td]21.0[/td] [td]3.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]1972-73[/td] [td]36[/td] [td]LAL[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]801[/td] [td]64[/td] [td]116[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]98[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]383[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]177[/td] [td].552[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].500[/td] [td]47.1[/td] [td]10.4[/td] [td]22.5[/td] [td]3.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]Career[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]NBA[/td] [td]160[/td] [td]7559[/td] [td]1425[/td] [td]2728[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]757[/td] [td]1627[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]3913[/td] [td]673[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]
[/td] [td]402[/td] [td]3607[/td] [td].522[/td] [td]
[/td] [td].465[/td] [td]47.2[/td] [td]22.5[/td] [td]24.5[/td] [td]4.2
[/td][/tr][/table]

And I realize stats aren't the be all, but I'm not a senior citizen so I can only go by what I have. Seems like he performed rather well in the playoffs in general.

 

[hankmoody]

I said better bro.

 

[hankmoody]

I said better bro.

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

the reason why jordan was glamorized in the media so much was because he was the BEST.

he would not have been the marketing giant he was if he wasnt the best player in the world.


look at shaq he's real popular in the media, no one calls  him the GOAT.

stupid people argue that MJ is only the GOAT because he was so popular. its just hate.


he's the most popular basketball player ever because hes the best basketball player ever.

it wouldnt work any other way.

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

the reason why jordan was glamorized in the media so much was because he was the BEST.

he would not have been the marketing giant he was if he wasnt the best player in the world.


look at shaq he's real popular in the media, no one calls  him the GOAT.

stupid people argue that MJ is only the GOAT because he was so popular. its just hate.


he's the most popular basketball player ever because hes the best basketball player ever.

it wouldnt work any other way.

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by HankMoody

I said better bro.

True. Only guy with a claim to the best ever that substantially outperformed his regular season numbers was Jordan.

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by HankMoody

I said better bro.

True. Only guy with a claim to the best ever that substantially outperformed his regular season numbers was Jordan.

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Define "sonned." Wilt average 29 points and 29 rebounds in 142 games against Russell. Dropped 50 on him seven times, including a 62 point game.

Yea this is one of the things that someone heard one time and everyone runs around repeated not knowing what the hell they speak of. Thanks for doing that, I know I have corrected that statement at least 10 times in this forum

 

Sure G. You're one who address everything and you never touched that until Legit came in with the stats. Don't Be That Guy G

@Above Legit History has shown that Bill has never been a big scorer, hell he's only averaged twice in his career. Everyone knows this were as wilt was the greatest scorer the league has ever seen according to KAJ.  He averaged 50 for an entire season of basketball yet he scored 7x's in 147 games.  Whereas he was getting 50+ regularly against everyone else his numbers were dropped by 20pts against Bill whereas Bills were relatively the same across the board.  I'm sorry I don't see how that's dominating him

As far as what I meant by "Sonning" I meant he wasn't doing nearly what he was against the rest of the league when he played Bill... It just wasn't going down like that

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Define "sonned." Wilt average 29 points and 29 rebounds in 142 games against Russell. Dropped 50 on him seven times, including a 62 point game.

Yea this is one of the things that someone heard one time and everyone runs around repeated not knowing what the hell they speak of. Thanks for doing that, I know I have corrected that statement at least 10 times in this forum

 

Sure G. You're one who address everything and you never touched that until Legit came in with the stats. Don't Be That Guy G

@Above Legit History has shown that Bill has never been a big scorer, hell he's only averaged twice in his career. Everyone knows this were as wilt was the greatest scorer the league has ever seen according to KAJ.  He averaged 50 for an entire season of basketball yet he scored 7x's in 147 games.  Whereas he was getting 50+ regularly against everyone else his numbers were dropped by 20pts against Bill whereas Bills were relatively the same across the board.  I'm sorry I don't see how that's dominating him

As far as what I meant by "Sonning" I meant he wasn't doing nearly what he was against the rest of the league when he played Bill... It just wasn't going down like that

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

the reason why jordan was glamorized in the media so much was because he was the BEST.
he would not have been the marketing giant he was if he wasnt the best player in the world.
look at shaq he's real popular in the media, no one calls  him the GOAT.
stupid people argue that MJ is only the GOAT because he was so popular. its just hate.
he's the most popular basketball player ever because hes the best basketball player ever.
it wouldnt work any other way.

Who exactly argued the underlined portion of your statement?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

the reason why jordan was glamorized in the media so much was because he was the BEST.
he would not have been the marketing giant he was if he wasnt the best player in the world.
look at shaq he's real popular in the media, no one calls  him the GOAT.
stupid people argue that MJ is only the GOAT because he was so popular. its just hate.
he's the most popular basketball player ever because hes the best basketball player ever.
it wouldnt work any other way.

Who exactly argued the underlined portion of your statement?

 

[supermanblue79]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Yea but just because someone in the fire says something doesn't make it golden. Last time I checked Magic also claimed Kobe was the best Laker of all time. Does that mean we should take his word for it? I am just saying them saying it shouldn't and doesn't have an affect on the legitimacy of the comment. Their opinion is still an opinion.

Who's opinion holds more weight on NBA basketball talent?
A. NBA Hall of Famers
B. DCAll Amercian form Nike Talk

 

[supermanblue79]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Yea but just because someone in the fire says something doesn't make it golden. Last time I checked Magic also claimed Kobe was the best Laker of all time. Does that mean we should take his word for it? I am just saying them saying it shouldn't and doesn't have an affect on the legitimacy of the comment. Their opinion is still an opinion.

Who's opinion holds more weight on NBA basketball talent?
A. NBA Hall of Famers
B. DCAll Amercian form Nike Talk

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by Supermanblue79

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Yea but just because someone in the fire says something doesn't make it golden. Last time I checked Magic also claimed Kobe was the best Laker of all time. Does that mean we should take his word for it? I am just saying them saying it shouldn't and doesn't have an affect on the legitimacy of the comment. Their opinion is still an opinion.

Who's opinion holds more weight on NBA basketball talent?
A. NBA Hall of Famers
B. DCAll Amercian form Nike Talk

The opinion of them holds more weight, but I never once implied that my opinion is on their level. I simply said their opinion is still an opinion, nothing further. Nice try though. Them saying it doesn't solidify the idea.

@Cakes, I have mentioned numerous times about the "idea" that Russell used to kill Wilt many times. The first time someone mentioned it was Tim Legler on ESPN back in like 2005. Since they, I have corrected NUMEROUS folks on here for bringing up that "idea." So yea,, I am not THAT DUDE."

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by Supermanblue79

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Yea but just because someone in the fire says something doesn't make it golden. Last time I checked Magic also claimed Kobe was the best Laker of all time. Does that mean we should take his word for it? I am just saying them saying it shouldn't and doesn't have an affect on the legitimacy of the comment. Their opinion is still an opinion.

Who's opinion holds more weight on NBA basketball talent?
A. NBA Hall of Famers
B. DCAll Amercian form Nike Talk

The opinion of them holds more weight, but I never once implied that my opinion is on their level. I simply said their opinion is still an opinion, nothing further. Nice try though. Them saying it doesn't solidify the idea.

@Cakes, I have mentioned numerous times about the "idea" that Russell used to kill Wilt many times. The first time someone mentioned it was Tim Legler on ESPN back in like 2005. Since they, I have corrected NUMEROUS folks on here for bringing up that "idea." So yea,, I am not THAT DUDE."

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

@Cakes, I have mentioned numerous times about the "idea" that Russell used to kill Wilt many times. The first time someone mentioned it was Tim Legler on ESPN back in like 2005. Since they, I have corrected NUMEROUS folks on here for bringing up that "idea." So yea,, I am not THAT DUDE."

If you say you did it you did it good bruva... I just know that in this thread you didn't respond to it or make mention of it until Legit came in with the stats hence my statement.  I'm not out to call anyone a liar so I'll just take it that i missed it.

I stand on my he wasn't dominating Russell nowhere near the light of what he did to others, even though they were still amazing numbers, while being bigger than him by 4" & 60 pounds.
  

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Define "sonned." Wilt average 29 points and 29 rebounds in 142 games against Russell. Dropped 50 on him seven times, including a 62 point game.

Yea this is one of the things that someone heard one time and everyone runs around repeated not knowing what the hell they speak of. Thanks for doing that, I know I have corrected that statement at least 10 times in this forum

 

Sure G. You're one who address everything and you never touched that until Legit came in with the stats. Don't Be That Guy G

@Above Legit History has shown that Bill has never been a big scorer, hell he's only averaged twice in his career. Everyone knows this were as wilt was the greatest scorer the league has ever seen according to KAJ.  He averaged 50 for an entire season of basketball yet he scored 7x's in 147 games.  Whereas he was getting 50+ regularly against everyone else his numbers were dropped by 20pts against Bill whereas Bills were relatively the same across the board.  I'm sorry I don't see how that's dominating him

As far as what I meant by "Sonning" I meant he wasn't doing nearly what he was against the rest of the league when he played Bill... It just wasn't going down like that

Wilt avergaed 30 and 23 for his career, and 29 and 29 against Russell. And according to NBA.com his scoring numbers against Russell went down significantly late in his career where he slowed down and deferred to his teammates more. I'm not sure how averaging 29 and 29, and just one less point and 6 more rebounds than his career numbers against the greatest defender of all time isn't dominating performance.

@ "only" seven 50 games. How many guys have had more than seven 50 point games their entire careers?

And if this argument is Wilt vs. Russell, than Bill's lack of scoring should be a knock against him. I think we can all agree that scoring is a massive part of the game.

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

@Cakes, I have mentioned numerous times about the "idea" that Russell used to kill Wilt many times. The first time someone mentioned it was Tim Legler on ESPN back in like 2005. Since they, I have corrected NUMEROUS folks on here for bringing up that "idea." So yea,, I am not THAT DUDE."

If you say you did it you did it good bruva... I just know that in this thread you didn't respond to it or make mention of it until Legit came in with the stats hence my statement.  I'm not out to call anyone a liar so I'll just take it that i missed it.

I stand on my he wasn't dominating Russell nowhere near the light of what he did to others, even though they were still amazing numbers, while being bigger than him by 4" & 60 pounds.
  

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Define "sonned." Wilt average 29 points and 29 rebounds in 142 games against Russell. Dropped 50 on him seven times, including a 62 point game.

Yea this is one of the things that someone heard one time and everyone runs around repeated not knowing what the hell they speak of. Thanks for doing that, I know I have corrected that statement at least 10 times in this forum

 

Sure G. You're one who address everything and you never touched that until Legit came in with the stats. Don't Be That Guy G

@Above Legit History has shown that Bill has never been a big scorer, hell he's only averaged twice in his career. Everyone knows this were as wilt was the greatest scorer the league has ever seen according to KAJ.  He averaged 50 for an entire season of basketball yet he scored 7x's in 147 games.  Whereas he was getting 50+ regularly against everyone else his numbers were dropped by 20pts against Bill whereas Bills were relatively the same across the board.  I'm sorry I don't see how that's dominating him

As far as what I meant by "Sonning" I meant he wasn't doing nearly what he was against the rest of the league when he played Bill... It just wasn't going down like that

Wilt avergaed 30 and 23 for his career, and 29 and 29 against Russell. And according to NBA.com his scoring numbers against Russell went down significantly late in his career where he slowed down and deferred to his teammates more. I'm not sure how averaging 29 and 29, and just one less point and 6 more rebounds than his career numbers against the greatest defender of all time isn't dominating performance.

@ "only" seven 50 games. How many guys have had more than seven 50 point games their entire careers?

And if this argument is Wilt vs. Russell, than Bill's lack of scoring should be a knock against him. I think we can all agree that scoring is a massive part of the game.

 

[supermanblue79]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by Supermanblue79

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Yea but just because someone in the fire says something doesn't make it golden. Last time I checked Magic also claimed Kobe was the best Laker of all time. Does that mean we should take his word for it? I am just saying them saying it shouldn't and doesn't have an affect on the legitimacy of the comment. Their opinion is still an opinion.

Who's opinion holds more weight on NBA basketball talent?
A. NBA Hall of Famers
B. DCAll Amercian form Nike Talk

The opinion of them holds more weight, but I never once implied that my opinion is on their level. I simply said their opinion is still an opinion, nothing further. Nice try though. Them saying it doesn't solidify the idea.

Solidifying the idea that MJ is the GOAT is exactly what their opinion does.