I don't know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict, but I do know a sonning

[hieu23]

someone link me to the video!!! i can't watch the embedded version

 

[mo matik]

Dr. Finkelstein is one of the leading scholars in the Israeli Palestine conflict.

I suggest one read his publications for some of the most thorough scholarship on the subject.

 

[daytona 5000]

I just have a problem with how non-arab european's of the jewish faith can just go and occupy arab land and we support them.

 

[jerome in the house]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

You're a moron. Instead of posting some pics how about you actually contribute to the thread.



Why should they use the Holocaust to oppress another group of people? Go sit down if you won't contribute to the thread.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Good, that woman was difficult to watch.

 

[heartofthacity]

Originally Posted by Th3RealF0lkBlu3s

Good, that woman was difficult to watch.

 

[superantigen]

I'm presently on my phone so I can't quote, but dude that tried to draw a parallel between slavery and the holocaust--go ahead and slap yourself. You clearly didn't think that one through.

I mean really--what "agenda" do A.A have that would cause them to bring up slavery over and over again. Surely you're not implying that the "agenda" for equality and recognition as a people who contributed so much to the development of this country--blood, sweat, and tears literally included--is tantamount to the "agenda" that an over zealous part of the Jewish diaspora is pushing, right?

Who have A.A waged war against--citing, among many reasons--God's special favor and authority? Whose lands have A.A forcefully annexed, killing and/or driving out the native and local inhabitants?

I could seriously keep going. Like I said, you surely didn't think that initial post all the way through.


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[nako xl]

Originally Posted by Jerome in the House

Originally Posted by Nako XL

You're a moron. Instead of posting some pics how about you actually contribute to the thread.



Why should they use the Holocaust to oppress another group of people? Go sit down if you won't contribute to the thread.

so... jews (specifically zionists) are the only group in history that have ever used a tragedy to justify behavior and actions? the ONLY group?  we don't see that happening anywhere else?

 

[superantigen]

Btw, anyone know of any books that are written in support of Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands. I ask because I'm thinking about picking up some of the books posted by M0 Matik, but just as well, I'd like to read what the "pro" side has to say so that I can at least see the big picture and ascertain for myself, the reasons behind the misunderstandings between these two groups/nations.


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[lex starks]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by Jerome in the House

Originally Posted by Nako XL

You're a moron. Instead of posting some pics how about you actually contribute to the thread.



Why should they use the Holocaust to oppress another group of people? Go sit down if you won't contribute to the thread.

so... jews (specifically zionists) are the only group in history that have ever used a tragedy to justify behavior and actions? the ONLY group?  we don't see that happening anywhere else?

You're going nowhere with your argument.

 

[bottom74bottom]

Originally Posted by moneyisthemotive

Originally Posted by Lex Starks

I agree in the sense that Jewish Black people need to stop playing the Holocaust Slavery card and their usage of crocodile tears to further their agendas. This is prevalent in the younger communities as they think they have some sort of entitlement because of what their ANCESTORS went through. You don't get to use that as an excuse.

what if someone typed that? i think it is very insensitive to type what you did ...

Like this don't make PERFECT sense though... 

.. sneak racism alert

 

[moneyisthemotive]

the point i was trying to make was, many people feel entitled to something because of what their ancestors went through ... the parallel between "agendas" is non existent in this case when comparing to black people, but the same premise can be seen in other aspects of life ...

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by Lex Starks

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by Jerome in the House

Originally Posted by Nako XL

You're a moron. Instead of posting some pics how about you actually contribute to the thread.



Why should they use the Holocaust to oppress another group of people? Go sit down if you won't contribute to the thread.

so... jews (specifically zionists) are the only group in history that have ever used a tragedy to justify behavior and actions? the ONLY group?  we don't see that happening anywhere else?

You're going nowhere with your argument.

it's not an argument. I read your initial comment and responded to it before my yuku showed there were any more replies or that you'd clarified.  and i stand by my initial sentiment.

then dude came in here hot under the collar and i expanded on why i made that first post.  who's arguing with who?

 

[ap27]

Originally Posted by TeamJordan79

Originally Posted by Lex Starks

Originally Posted by moneyisthemotive

Originally Posted by Lex Starks

I agree in the sense that Jewish Black people need to stop playing the Holocaust Slavery card and their usage of crocodile tears to further their agendas. This is prevalent in the younger communities as they think they have some sort of entitlement because of what their ANCESTORS went through. You don't get to use that as an excuse.

what if someone typed that? i think it is very insensitive to type what you did ...

I would have said the same thing about slavery and the civil rights movement. As Huey said on the Boondocks to Granddad, "were you there?" in reference to Granddad saying that we went through a lot by getting hosed down and attacked by dogs. Just because something happened to a certain group of people does not entitle everyone of that background to use that as their excuse.

word. Every nation, group, ethnicity, got bodied at some point in history. If u keep it moving, u progress. If u dont, u repeat the cycle.

QFT, I wish more people had this mindset, but it's obvious not all of us do

 

[iblink]

Originally Posted by moneyisthemotive

Originally Posted by Lex Starks

I agree in the sense that Jewish Black people need to stop playing the Holocaust Slavery card and their usage of crocodile tears to further their agendas. This is prevalent in the younger communities as they think they have some sort of entitlement because of what their ANCESTORS went through. You don't get to use that as an excuse.

what if someone typed that? i think it is very insensitive to type what you did ...

 

[jking0821]

adding an owl

 

[wooly willy]

Originally Posted by Je Ne Sais Quoi

That was one powerful sonning.
You know you sonned someone when they squeeze their head in defeat like that girl.

Anyway, there's no way you can engage in dialogue about the Israeli Palestinian conflict without being labeled an anti-Semite if you even remotely criticize Israel. I kid you not, I was having a discussion with a Jewish girl from the students for Israel organization on my campus and every point she brought up I was able to refute. After 20 minutes of her arguing in circles, she came to the conclusion that I am an anti-Semetic, Arab sympathizer (I'm black btw). At that point, I just gave her a

and walked away. It sad when the horrible events of the holocaust become nothing more than a scape goat to do whatever you please to other human beings

 

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by Wooly Willy

Originally Posted by Je Ne Sais Quoi

That was one powerful sonning.
You know you sonned someone when they squeeze their head in defeat like that girl.

Anyway, there's no way you can engage in dialogue about the Israeli Palestinian conflict without being labeled an anti-Semite if you even remotely criticize Israel. I kid you not, I was having a discussion with a Jewish girl from the students for Israel organization on my campus and every point she brought up I was able to refute. After 20 minutes of her arguing in circles, she came to the conclusion that I am an anti-Semetic, Arab sympathizer (I'm black btw). At that point, I just gave her a

and walked away. It sad when the horrible events of the holocaust become nothing more than a scape goat to do whatever you please to other human beings

was she white or middle eastern?

 

[lex starks]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by Lex Starks

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by Jerome in the House

Originally Posted by Nako XL

You're a moron. Instead of posting some pics how about you actually contribute to the thread.



Why should they use the Holocaust to oppress another group of people? Go sit down if you won't contribute to the thread.

so... jews (specifically zionists) are the only group in history that have ever used a tragedy to justify behavior and actions? the ONLY group?  we don't see that happening anywhere else?

You're going nowhere with your argument.

it's not an argument. I read your initial comment and responded to it before my yuku showed there were any more replies or that you'd clarified.  and i stand by my initial sentiment.

then dude came in here hot under the collar and i expanded on why i made that first post.  who's arguing with who?

 

[menacin methods]

Respect is given

 

[jjsrf]

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

I'm presently on my phone so I can't quote, but dude that tried to draw a parallel between slavery and the holocaust--go ahead and slap yourself. You clearly didn't think that one through.

I mean really--what "agenda" do A.A have that would cause them to bring up slavery over and over again. Surely you're not implying that the "agenda" for equality and recognition as a people who contributed so much to the development of this country--blood, sweat, and tears literally included--is tantamount to the "agenda" that an over zealous part of the Jewish diaspora is pushing, right?

Who have A.A waged war against--citing, among many reasons--God's special favor and authority? Whose lands have A.A forcefully annexed, killing and/or driving out the native and local inhabitants?

I could seriously keep going. Like I said, you surely didn't think that initial post all the way through.


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+1

 

[duba169]

i wonder how many people would be crying if israel lost the 6 day war? israel kicks the !@*+ out of everyone, takes land, and then they want to complain. okay. how about the yom kippor war? start a war try to attack israel and get their %@@ kicked and the crying comes again. how many scholars would be screaming for the jews if they lost these wars?

this !@*+ isn't as one sided as most of you people think it is. it's a travesty at this point in time. but alot of you have a warped view of israel and how it was even founded. people thinking if israel didn't exist tomorrow than the whole muslim world will hold hands and everything will be fine. it's complete BS.

I flew over the middle east and saw one green tiny patch. guess which country it was.

 

[kicktionair]

Chick's head was about to explode

.gif pleases

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by DubA169

i wonder how many people would be crying if israel lost the 6 day war? israel kicks the !@*+ out of everyone, takes land, and then they want to complain. okay. how about the yom kippor war? start a war try to attack israel and get their %@@ kicked and the crying comes again. how many scholars would be screaming for the jews if they lost these wars?

this !@*+ isn't as one sided as most of you people think it is. it's a travesty at this point in time. but alot of you have a warped view of israel and how it was even founded. people thinking if israel didn't exist tomorrow than the whole muslim world will hold hands and everything will be fine. it's complete BS.

I flew over the middle east and saw one green tiny patch. guess which country it was.

I do not care how many wars the Arabs lost, an occupation is an occupation. Who is to take anyone's else's land and dispossess them? Especially at that time when you had the ideologies of human rights and the right to nationhood and sovereignty that were set in stone and on paper. I do not care about other Arabs nations and governments when it comes to this mess because they are also to blame for the plight of the Palestinians, especially when you have traitors and backstabbers like Jordan and Egypt.

A lot of the blame should be put on the colonizers because of the way they partitioned that territory by disregarding the regards of the native Palestinians Arabs and basically gave most of the fertile land to the Jewish minority at that time. What they did completely messed everything up. Maybe the Arabs should have accepted what they got, the @%$% end of the deal, especially since they were so screwed and they did not have the upperhand. But, I guess they thought that resistance was a better strategy and they actually thought they would win the war.
However, the way that Israel was created was by violence, force, terrorism, and the method of ethnic cleansing the Palestinians. Without all of that, the creation of Israel would not have succeeded.


At the end of the day, it is an occupation. The Palestinians are oppressed, Israel is the oppressor, and the Palestinian people deserve their right to return and self-determination. The root of this conflict is the occupation itself.

 

[duba169]

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey

Originally Posted by DubA169

i wonder how many people would be crying if israel lost the 6 day war? israel kicks the !@*+ out of everyone, takes land, and then they want to complain. okay. how about the yom kippor war? start a war try to attack israel and get their %@@ kicked and the crying comes again. how many scholars would be screaming for the jews if they lost these wars?

this !@*+ isn't as one sided as most of you people think it is. it's a travesty at this point in time. but alot of you have a warped view of israel and how it was even founded. people thinking if israel didn't exist tomorrow than the whole muslim world will hold hands and everything will be fine. it's complete BS.

I flew over the middle east and saw one green tiny patch. guess which country it was.

I do not care how many wars the Arabs lost, an occupation is an occupation. Who is to take anyone's else's land and dispossess them? Especially at that time when you had the ideologies of human rights and the right to nationhood and sovereignty that were set in stone and on paper. I do not care about other Arabs nations and governments when it comes to this mess because they are also to blame for the plight of the Palestinians, especially when you have traitors and backstabbers like Jordan and Egypt.

A lot of the blame should be put on the colonizers because of the way they partitioned that territory by disregarding the regards of the native Palestinians Arabs and basically gave most of the fertile land to the Jewish minority at that time. What they did completely messed everything up. Maybe the Arabs should have accepted what they got, the @%$% end of the deal, especially since they were so screwed and they did not have the upperhand. But, I guess they thought that resistance was a better strategy and they actually thought they would win the war.
However, the way that Israel was created was by violence, force, terrorism, and the method of ethnic cleansing the Palestinians. Without all of that, the creation of Israel would not have succeeded.


At the end of the day, it is an occupation. The Palestinians are oppressed, Israel is the oppressor, and the Palestinian people deserve their right to return and self-determination. The root of this conflict is the occupation itself.

and what happens when the self determination lads to more rocket attacks? what happens then? i don't care if the rockets only hit 1 person they were intended to kill many. they are learning to hate and kill jews in the schools. that won't change overnight if they get some land back.

you said However, the way that Israel was created was by violence, force,terrorism, and the method of ethnic cleansing the Palestinians. Withoutall of that, the creation of Israel would not have succeeded.

force... yeah okay iut was just the jews exerting force. what happened after the 6 day way?  Gaza, west bank, east jerusalem and the sinai peninsula? don't station 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on israel's border and complain when you get your *%** beat and land taken. the main problem of all of this is England which you tip toed around. just say their name. they are more to blame then anyone.

the situation is all types of messed up. but to say "you don't care" about the wars the arabs lost. and you "don't care" about the other arab nations when they are a main reason why things are the way they are right now. well is you don't care or find that stuff trivial i don't think you can talk about the whole situation properly.