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Originally Posted by rashi
Yes but that still doesn't have anything to do with Andrew Johnson being sympathetic to the southern way of life and white supremacy through terror being placed of black folks.
Why are you bringing up Jackson? The guy died years over 20 years before the Civil War even started. He also terrorized Indians too...
The Southern way of life was beyond slavery and continued after slavery, their culture was vastly different then the North. The institution of slavery is not over White supremacy. If you think that slavery if over race, you know very little about the economics of slavery.
So tell me what came first here on this continent, slavery or the U.S. ????? It was aided by the government yes, but a government in itself does not create something without an elite class that puts forth and supports it's ideas. One of the main beefs between the North and the South was the Fugitive Slave Act pushed by the south....(look it up) ....
BUT WHO ENFORCES THE RULES? THE GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? IF THERE WASN'T A GOVERNMENT, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY INSTITUTION TO ENFORCE SLAVERY.![]()
Just like Jim Crow Laws. Racism was enforced by the government whether businesses were racists or not.
Reconstruction wasn't a failure because the government intervened.. It was a failure because it intervened only half %!$....
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everytime the government does something and it "doesn't work" people always say "it didn't go far enough". How do you know it didn't go far enough? Don't you think possibly that Blacks would have been better off? Like I said the KKK had a lot of political influence paying off law enforcement agencies, paying of politicians, threatening their lives, ect. Could it be that the government is just incapable of fulfilling promises because there isn't any incentive to? Like the War on Poverty equaled more poverty, War on Drugs equaled more drugs, ect.![]()
Just out of curiosity what is your Opinion on Abortion's legality?
I abhor abortion, but I don't think it should be illegal.
Them banning the importation of slaves didn't end slavery in the south, and wasn't necessarily a sign that slavery itself was on the decline in the south. By this time they could breed slaves, which would be a lot more cost effective, and from books like Willie Lynch it's clear that south slave owners were apt at slave breeding.
If every other business around you is using power tools to fix things and doing it a lot more efficiently and faster, why would you do the same work with your hands? Think about it.
I got a message for Warren Buffett
[h2]Financing the Debt[/h2][h3]Why does the debt sometimes decrease? [/h3]
The Public Debt Outstanding decreases when there are more redemptions of Treasury securities than there are issues.
[h3]How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt? [/h3]
There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:
- You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at Pay.gov
- You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:
Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188
Put your money where your mouth is.
Why are you bringing up Jackson?
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I didn't say Andrew Jackson sir.. I said Andrew Johnson..do your research.... don't get your Prezys in a bunch... You're talking about the guy on the 20 dollar bill president
#7.... I'm talking about Johnson who was the guy who came right after Lincoln president #17.... Andrew Jackson was supposedly the first "people's champ" or the common
man's president...He did massacre many Native Americans but also led one of the most unnecessary loses of life in American Military History after the war of 1812 had
already ended due to the slow communication process at the time ... Battle of New Orleans anybody??? (google that) and he was a limited gov't state's rights type of guy..
so I'm sure he's in your top 5 dead or alive..[/color]
The Southern way of life was beyond slavery and continued after slavery, their culture was vastly different then the North. The institution of slavery is not over White supremacy. If you think that slavery if over race, you know very little about the economics of slavery.
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Oh no no no sir.. This is where the Confederate Flag Bumper Stickers have gone to your head. Now yes that way of life was different from the north but to say white
supremacy played no role in slavery is to be totally mistaken. The theory of white supremacy alone was used to rationalize colonialism, imperialism and slavery along with
the Christian Superiority Complex. Now I know what you're going to say, slavery was found in various civilizations dating back to the age of early man and with that I will
agree. But where the difference comes in is the form of race identification and the changes that were made to it during colonization. Before the American colonies there was
no such thing as the "white race" but races referred to countries as a whole in Europe (ex: German Race, Irish Race etc) The creation of this white race was a way to
belittle the savages that were interacted with in the new world (Native Amer, Africans, Chinese Immigrants).. If you do your research you'll see that immigrants (Italians,
Germans, Catholics as a whole) during the 20th century were not even accepted as "white" up until the end of the second world war in many cases. Where then they had
"earned" their merit and acceptance in mainstream white America. So white supremacy was even used against other cultures now considered white by many people's
standards. But that acceptance never came for blacks. A lot of it is white guilt or the failure to recognize the wrongs of the past, specifically in the South.
Now what I'm getting at is that slavery in all of the Americas was a new hybrid form based solely on lineage..
Up until this point in history from Europe to Asia slaves were all intermingled regardless of skin color or origin. Due to the triangular trade and colonialism slavery became
not only an economic institution but also one that rationalized it's works by downplaying the inhumane treatment individuals based on their skin color, religion (or lack of
Christianity) and savage customs. White America even used science as a way to try and prove African Americans as intellectually inferior and as related to primates well
into the 20th century. Also you should do some research on "black codes" following the Civil War. If race didn't matter why weren't there "white codes" that forced
individuals back into slave like labor like "black codes" did ... Yes local government enforced these things but the absence of federal protection left the door open for
discrimination. Would schools in the south have ever desegregated without federal intervention? I suggest we think about that unless you agree with racial segregation...[/color]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everytime the government does something and it "doesn't work" people always say "it didn't go far enough". How do you know it didn't go far enough? Don't you think possibly that Blacks would have been better off? Like I said the KKK had a lot of political influence paying off law enforcement agencies, paying of politicians, threatening their lives, ect. Could it be that the government is just incapable of fulfilling promises because there isn't any incentive to? Like the War on Poverty equaled more poverty, War on Drugs equaled more drugs, ect.![]()
As far as the first part of your argument goes (because the whole war on poverty discussion is one in itself) it is proven that when government support was there, blacks had
representation in government and took a major role in elections but when that protection was rolled back, white retribution was in full effect... How do I know it didn't go far
enough, well primarily through the picture of lynchings and burned churches up until the 1960s ... That's how i know.... Better off from what stand point? Being killed.. yes
they would have been better off not to be dead.. What's anyone's incentive to protect others? So there should be no police force or national guard? Your arguments often
come without the human variable of compassion and doing what's right...