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They said fake based on you posting the pic as though they were yours.
We all know you'd never have those and if you did they'd be that super fake.
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They said fake based on you posting the pic as though they were yours.
We all know you'd never have those and if you did they'd be that super fake.
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no ones backtracking though. a random angle of shoes that are being fakes and not released and you want us to be experts?
ok man, Melo rocking fakes. is that what you wanted to hear?
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And what does that have to do with the GMs being fake debate?
JetLife84
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he's actually right the grape v dates we're 3 weeks - a month
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Looking for my Grape5 tag pic now.
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Don't know why you guys give that guy the time of day.
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Ok guys let's move on from that troll, he won't be posting in this thread anymore.
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No tag pics.
30 pics and none of the tag. That I found anyway
30 pics and none of the tag. That I found anyway
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Repped.
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A lot? Who exactly is a lot? You're really bad at this. The picture was terrible anyway. They could have been straight up 60 dollar fakes and no one could tell with that potato cam pic.
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yall be careful they got carbon copies of tokyo 5's out, there should be an influx of tokyo 5's that hit ebay soon
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I think he got banned. Let him die, then
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I stole this quote from the other GM thread. It's jdfrenchbread23's articulate post giving his "2 cents". I thought it was well written. It's kinda long, but a good read. Pretty much sums up my entire take on the whole debate. Just a lil sumfin to get us back on track after that epic troll fail derail by that lame.
jdfrenchbread23 wrote:
I tried to find one of my old post cause I've said this before but there are 2 things that I want to point out, not from a speculative perspective but a professional one. I'm an engineer with a specialization in manufacturing and process development .
1. whether or not you want to acknowledge the "minor flaws' or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they are there. I'm well aware that shoes come with flaws here and there but the problem is that these "unauthorized" or "GM" shoes consistently have the same flaws time and time again. retail shoes may have 5 out of 100 pairs that have similar flaws for the sake of example lets say a slightly misplaced lace loop. That flaw would just be a manufacturing flaw because 95 out of those 100 pairs came with the the correct lace loop placing. From a manufacturing standpoint the 95 pairs is what is representative of the manufacturing process used. People will say all the time that theres no quality control and theyre b-grades but No quality control would mean they'd have tons of different flaws. Not all the same flaws. Like a wider "23" stamp on the 11s, or crooked tongue stitching on all 3s and 4s, or faded symbols on all DB3s, the list literally goes on and on. "No quality control" doesn't explain why the "same workers" who make nikes shoes would make these "extras" with all the same mistakes ALL the time. I'm an engineer and I know manufacturing the only way to explain the consistent differences between the retail pairs and the GM pairs ARE A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURING PROCESS. Meaning they are NOT the same and that's why we can tell them apart. The minor flaws arent minor if theyre consistently there. Wrong stretched 23s on the 11s. The wrong facing face on DB4s, the crooked tongue stitching on the 3s. And it doesn't end there. Every model and I'll go as far to say even every color way of GM has flaws that are consistent across all pairs. Those signs are consistently on GM shoes and not on retail pairs and that's why we can tell the difference.
Pretty much the whole point is this, even if the GM shoes are 95% identical to retail pairs, if that 5% difference (what you call minor flaws) is present 100% of the time then what we know is that GM shoes use a process that make ALMOST authentic LOOKING shoes. Which means youre getting an imitation NOT the real deal. At the end of the day it's still 2 different entities using two different processes (whether they're completely different or 99.999999% identical) to put out two different products. End of story.
2. As for materials how much do you about materials and manufacturing? Just because they look the same doesn't mean they are the same. They're COMPARABLE as far as you are qualified to say. I've had projects at work that we've worked on where we had to create 2 products out of the same manufacturing process but with 2 separate metals. To the naked eye they looked exactly the same but when looked when magnified the textures of the metals are completely different hence 2 different products. Factories and manufacturers have access to huge quantities of thousands and thousands of materials of different shapes sizes and textures. Heres an example, when it comes to rims you can buy Aluminum rims or you can buy titanium alloy rims for your car. Both look the same both feel the same but titanium is a much stronger metal than aluminum is and last much longer. You can say that the materials LOOK the same but they definitely dont act the same or have the same structural properties.
With people claiming left and right that the GMs shoes they bought arent holding up, how can you assume that the materials are the same when their arent complaints like that for the authentic ones? With out the proper knowledge, equipment, and experience you or anyone else for that matter is not qualified to say that the materials ARE the same, but it can be speculated they arent solely based on performance.
jdfrenchbread23 wrote:
I tried to find one of my old post cause I've said this before but there are 2 things that I want to point out, not from a speculative perspective but a professional one. I'm an engineer with a specialization in manufacturing and process development .
1. whether or not you want to acknowledge the "minor flaws' or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they are there. I'm well aware that shoes come with flaws here and there but the problem is that these "unauthorized" or "GM" shoes consistently have the same flaws time and time again. retail shoes may have 5 out of 100 pairs that have similar flaws for the sake of example lets say a slightly misplaced lace loop. That flaw would just be a manufacturing flaw because 95 out of those 100 pairs came with the the correct lace loop placing. From a manufacturing standpoint the 95 pairs is what is representative of the manufacturing process used. People will say all the time that theres no quality control and theyre b-grades but No quality control would mean they'd have tons of different flaws. Not all the same flaws. Like a wider "23" stamp on the 11s, or crooked tongue stitching on all 3s and 4s, or faded symbols on all DB3s, the list literally goes on and on. "No quality control" doesn't explain why the "same workers" who make nikes shoes would make these "extras" with all the same mistakes ALL the time. I'm an engineer and I know manufacturing the only way to explain the consistent differences between the retail pairs and the GM pairs ARE A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURING PROCESS. Meaning they are NOT the same and that's why we can tell them apart. The minor flaws arent minor if theyre consistently there. Wrong stretched 23s on the 11s. The wrong facing face on DB4s, the crooked tongue stitching on the 3s. And it doesn't end there. Every model and I'll go as far to say even every color way of GM has flaws that are consistent across all pairs. Those signs are consistently on GM shoes and not on retail pairs and that's why we can tell the difference.
Pretty much the whole point is this, even if the GM shoes are 95% identical to retail pairs, if that 5% difference (what you call minor flaws) is present 100% of the time then what we know is that GM shoes use a process that make ALMOST authentic LOOKING shoes. Which means youre getting an imitation NOT the real deal. At the end of the day it's still 2 different entities using two different processes (whether they're completely different or 99.999999% identical) to put out two different products. End of story.
2. As for materials how much do you about materials and manufacturing? Just because they look the same doesn't mean they are the same. They're COMPARABLE as far as you are qualified to say. I've had projects at work that we've worked on where we had to create 2 products out of the same manufacturing process but with 2 separate metals. To the naked eye they looked exactly the same but when looked when magnified the textures of the metals are completely different hence 2 different products. Factories and manufacturers have access to huge quantities of thousands and thousands of materials of different shapes sizes and textures. Heres an example, when it comes to rims you can buy Aluminum rims or you can buy titanium alloy rims for your car. Both look the same both feel the same but titanium is a much stronger metal than aluminum is and last much longer. You can say that the materials LOOK the same but they definitely dont act the same or have the same structural properties.
With people claiming left and right that the GMs shoes they bought arent holding up, how can you assume that the materials are the same when their arent complaints like that for the authentic ones? With out the proper knowledge, equipment, and experience you or anyone else for that matter is not qualified to say that the materials ARE the same, but it can be speculated they arent solely based on performance.
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Jfrenchbread dropping that logical knowledge.
"Them being 5% wrong 100% of the time", is a pretty good indicator that they could be made by a different manufacturer than that of the legit JBs.
Nice AKsuited
"Them being 5% wrong 100% of the time", is a pretty good indicator that they could be made by a different manufacturer than that of the legit JBs.
Nice AKsuited
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Repped^
Alright guys, Were about to tear this puppy right open.
Coming to you from the front lines, the most reputable source of information, I give you BON.
Blue Ocean Network in china. Small bits of infor are contained in these videos. They may not all pertain directly to shoes.
@ 1:30 seconds
Alright guys, Were about to tear this puppy right open.
Coming to you from the front lines, the most reputable source of information, I give you BON.
Blue Ocean Network in china. Small bits of infor are contained in these videos. They may not all pertain directly to shoes.
@ 1:30 seconds
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JetLife84
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There's more.... this was over a year ago.
Would we rather make quick and dirty money or create an industry of our own?
Would we rather make quick and dirty money or create an industry of our own?
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"Nation of Knockoffs", they said that proudly. I guess they believe Money spends the same whether derived from legit or illegal streams.
JetLife84
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This is why you buy authorized products
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Stop comparing luxury brands to Nike shoes. It's not the same.
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JetLife84
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Is this lux brand to you? I think it's all connected.
If they can produce lux bags and cell phones then they can produce fake shoes.
So these shoes arnt just coming out the back door. thats all i'm saying
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Bruh **** GM pairs and **** shoe era 2010-Present.... I got shafted two years ago, on some GM 2011BC3's off a "reputable seller" (Never exposed him) on EBAY and never again will I go that route ever again, shoes were so perfect even down to the leather, box, shape, heck even the shoe smelled legit. If I were to ever buy a shoe, on some resale ish, it would only be from RIFLA or FCNY/FCLA.. Smh.
