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Does Tracy McGrady belong in the MVP discussion?
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If the MVP is an individual award, knock down Kobe down a few spots.
Dude has been balling no doubt, but where would the Lakers be without the emergence of The Machine, Farmar? Vlad, Fisher and the addition of Pau?
CP3 is above Kobe if the MVP is an individual award, and Lebron is above everybody.
Lebron is the clear cut MVP, if we're talking about individual award.
Dude has been balling no doubt, but where would the Lakers be without the emergence of The Machine, Farmar? Vlad, Fisher and the addition of Pau?
CP3 is above Kobe if the MVP is an individual award, and Lebron is above everybody.
Lebron is the clear cut MVP, if we're talking about individual award.
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It is completely beyond me, history, and logic why McGrady would not be mentioned in the MVP race.
The best player on a #1 seeded team wins it just about every year, and oh look, his team is #1 in the West.
Don't talk to me about numbers. Especially if you're voting for Lebron. His numbers are meaningless. He has no help on that team whatsoever. Look athow many losses his team has and remember he's in the Eastern Conference. If you want to bring up stats, we might as well throw Al Jefferson in the MVPpicture. Dude is only about 22 and 12 on 50% shooting. That's better than Shaq in 03-05...Who cares about how bad his team's record is...People cantalk about how Lebron can take over games all they want, but obviously he fell short 29 times. The Cavs are 15 games out of first place in their Conference!The Rockets? They're in first place in their's, and it's a much harder one.
Nash won it before when he averaged 15 and 11. He even beat out Kobe the next year when Kobe averaged 35 ppg, while doing 18 and 10. The award is about winninggames.
The MVP is about winners so it will go to the best player on the team that pulls ahead of the pack in the West or Kevin Garnett. So we're talking T-mac,Kobe, CP3, Duncan, or Garnett.
The best player on a #1 seeded team wins it just about every year, and oh look, his team is #1 in the West.
Don't talk to me about numbers. Especially if you're voting for Lebron. His numbers are meaningless. He has no help on that team whatsoever. Look athow many losses his team has and remember he's in the Eastern Conference. If you want to bring up stats, we might as well throw Al Jefferson in the MVPpicture. Dude is only about 22 and 12 on 50% shooting. That's better than Shaq in 03-05...Who cares about how bad his team's record is...People cantalk about how Lebron can take over games all they want, but obviously he fell short 29 times. The Cavs are 15 games out of first place in their Conference!The Rockets? They're in first place in their's, and it's a much harder one.
Nash won it before when he averaged 15 and 11. He even beat out Kobe the next year when Kobe averaged 35 ppg, while doing 18 and 10. The award is about winninggames.
The MVP is about winners so it will go to the best player on the team that pulls ahead of the pack in the West or Kevin Garnett. So we're talking T-mac,Kobe, CP3, Duncan, or Garnett.
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That's cause both of these are true. He didn't say that he "wasn't an all-star player", he said that other players were more deserving than him to be all-stars THIS year, which is true.. Of course he has the talent to be an all-star.
And last night's game is a perfect example of why he shouldn't be in the MVP discussion and why the Rockets are a team that play together. He was at best the third best player for the Rockets last night, and even that might be a stretch. And the Rockets still got the W. MVP is an individual award, and individually, there are AT LEAST five more guys that without a doubt deserve MVP more than McGrady. And then a bunch that you could discuss that are more deserving.
that's the FIRST game tmac has struggled since yao ming went out. ONE GAME. like i said, he played TWO 48-MINUTE FULL GAME TWICE in the past week. dudecouldn't even beat mbenga off the dribble. you saw how tired kobe was when he played the whole game v. the rox in the last 4-5 minutes. tmac did that TWICEin one week.
can a dude have a bad game? and the lakers STILL doubled him and left alston and others open.
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no, he doesn't.
the rockets are winning because the rest of his team was stepping up.
he single handedly does not determine a win or 20 pt. loss.
the rockets are winning because the rest of his team was stepping up.
he single handedly does not determine a win or 20 pt. loss.
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It is true that the Rockets are winning because of an overall team effort.
But I could make the same arguement for Kobe.
What's the difference between this year's team and last year's team?
They basically have the same players. It's just everybody started to step up. Whether it was Sasha, Farmar, Bynum, etc.
So if you wanna knock T-Mac for being in the discussions because his team is playing team ball, I say knock down Kobe a few notches as well, because his teamis playing team ball, too.
But I could make the same arguement for Kobe.
What's the difference between this year's team and last year's team?
They basically have the same players. It's just everybody started to step up. Whether it was Sasha, Farmar, Bynum, etc.
So if you wanna knock T-Mac for being in the discussions because his team is playing team ball, I say knock down Kobe a few notches as well, because his teamis playing team ball, too.
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if you want to be a great team, usually no one player dominates every game or else you don't have a team, get it?
if that's the case, lebron's team would be the best in the L since he's the best player
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Lebron. His numbers are meaningless.
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22-game winning streak is *!+#%* incredible...HE HAS TO BE IN THE MVP DISCUSSION....But thats it..Outside of this 22-game winning streak, T-Mac miss about 14games and his team was 17-13. So just off the strength of this winning streak, he should be in the discussion. Wait a minute, I just realize that the Rocketsare 38-13 when T-Mac plays
. O !#@+, I actually made this post to prove that T-Mac should only be mentioned in the MVP. But I think by accident, I just prove how this cross-eye$$%$ is actually a legitimate MVP candidate.
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Yo, NTers get on my nerves with their stupidity.
How is it just RIGHT NOW? They have the best record in the WEST. You can't use RIGHT NOW as an excuse...you're gonna punish him when it comes to MVP voting because his team has gone through 27% of their schedule without losing?
How is that just RIGHT NOW? They have the best record in the west, and every team plays the same number of games...so 65-66 games into the season, no team in the west has played better than the Rockets. Forget the first 22 games, forget the last 22 games, and forget the 22 games in the middle.
After 66 games, T-Mac has led the Rockets to the best record in the west. It is as simple as that.
If Kobe and CP3 have "done it all season," why aren't their teams in first place? I'm not knocking those guys at all. I love CP3 and I would love to see him win MVP. I hate Kobe Bryant and I hate Lakers' fans, and I hate the idea that they think he has been robbed of the MVP in the best when he was never the "MOST VALUABLE PLAYER" in the league at any point of his career. However, this is his best opportunity to win it, so I won't complain if he wins it this year.
However, don't think the T-Mac is "behind" those guys in that race. Steve Nash should have won it last year over Dirk. He didn't. Why? Because the Mavs had the best record. The same idiots who thought Kobe should have won it last year are the same ones who are saying T-Mac shouldn't win it this year? Why is that? So Kobe deserves it with a #7 seed, but T-Mac doesn't with a #1 seed? @*@% outta here.
As of right now, T-Mac/CP3/Kobe are the 3 front-runners, and that's assuming the award comes out of the West. And if you want to put them in order, first is CP3, 2nd is T-Mac, and 3rd is Kobe.
exactly! but i've come to learn that you can't expect much out of some of these so called fans. some of them are stans and half of them don'tknow #!% when it comes to bball.
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best individual season - lebron
MVP - usually goes to best player on best team. i hope the lakers can stay afloat b/c kobe does deserve an MVP in his resume. he's too good not to haveone.
MVP - usually goes to best player on best team. i hope the lakers can stay afloat b/c kobe does deserve an MVP in his resume. he's too good not to haveone.
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If the Lakers win the Pacific, Kobe will win it.
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First off, this is THE stupidest argument someone can make. You DO know that Houston has been without THEIR supposed "best" playerduring those games too right?
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well said, however..
about the Lakers without Pau, that's a pile of crap if somebody says that that wasn't a legitimate win, that's ridiculous. KOBE BRYANT is onthat team, they locked him down on defense. the lakers lost and theres nothing to it.
Mcgrady should be in the MVP disscussion though. he has brought his team to a much better situation in the western conference. i forget where they were inthe playoff bracket before the streak, but there rolling and they just gotta do what they do,
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lol@dudes sayin kobe. 11 for 33.
T-mac and the Rockets are the nba right now. We da BEST
T-mac and the Rockets are the nba right now. We da BEST
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if the season was for 22 games, then yes.
sick ik 23
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well T-mac wasn't so hot either but yes, We da BEST! (for right now, hope they can handle the Celtics) and please stop with this "Rockets havebeen lucky with Dirk, David West, Pau Gasol, and possibly Ray Allen out. Keep in mind, the Rockets have had their star player out also. Does Yao Ming ring abell?
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houston can win without one of their stars. other teams are struggling and making excuses. man, i can't wait for one damn season where both arehealthy, goddamnit.
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word.
Next year is gonna be NASTY.
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Mcgrady for MVP!
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i dunno if he should...
everyone on that team has been playing well since yao left.
i know if yao was still there he'd be MVP.
everyone on that team has been playing well since yao left.
i know if yao was still there he'd be MVP.
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maybe i say but kobe is my MVP
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WOW
So no other MVP has the odd bad game?
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tmac def. took himself out of the discussion w/ 2 straight bad games, horrible performances. he doesn't deserve it anyways.
